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Old 01-14-2008, 06:28 PM   #91
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yes, we are. redbreegull and nimrod are trying to debate something that is entirely irrelevant to the initial discussion.

people would recognize 1979 and Today before any Radiohead song, but that doesn't mean the Pumpkins will sell more concert tickets in 2008. jesus christ.
Well this is largely because the Pumpkins have never really re-formed, and people stopped caring.

Still though more people would buy Pearl Jam concert tickets than Radiohead, which was the entire point.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:29 PM   #92
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Still though more people would buy Pearl Jam concert tickets than Radiohead, which was the entire point.

i don't think this is correct. sure, they have a big following as a live act, but to say that they would definitely outdraw radiohead in a given U.S. city is wrong.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:30 PM   #93
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but i don't expect you to speak objectively when pearl jam is being discussed.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:31 PM   #94
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I bet more people recognize "There There" or "Go To Sleep" than "World Wide Suicide"

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:38 PM   #95
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I bet more people recognize "There There" or "Go To Sleep" than "World Wide Suicide"
jeremy, go, even flow, alive, spin the black circle, given to fly, black, immortality, daughter, last kiss

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:41 PM   #96
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jeremy, go, even flow, alive, spin the black circle, given to fly, black, immortality, daughter, last kiss
some of these are not true, but you're missing his point anyway.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:42 PM   #97
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go on Eulogy, explain it to me.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:44 PM   #98
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go on Eulogy, explain it to me.
he's saying that in the last 6 or whatever years, Radiohead has grabbed a lot more attention and put out a lot more shit that would be recognized by the general public.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:46 PM   #99
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yeah im not missing that point. But Pearl Jam have been around longer than 6 years, so i dont see how this is relevant. All of their most recognisable shit is from the early-mid 90's, sure, but how does this make Radiohead the more popular band?

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:47 PM   #100
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oh Pearl Jam are terrible

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:48 PM   #101
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:48 PM   #102
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but that doesnt mean shit.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:48 PM   #103
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yeah im not missing that point. But Pearl Jam have been around longer than 6 years, so i dont see how this is relevant. All of their most recognisable shit is from the early-mid 90's, sure, but how does this make Radiohead the more popular band?
because not everyone who leaves the radio on when Jeremy comes on will go see PJ in concert.

the conversation is not about overall historical popularity. it's about current relevance and how that translates into concert ticket sales.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:49 PM   #104
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so Led Zeppelin are less popular because they havent released anything for 50 years?

 
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it's about current relevance and how that translates into concert ticket sales.
but that is complete horse shit

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:51 PM   #106
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but that is complete horse shit
i don't think it is. pearl jam doesn't have the kind of lasting popularity that led zeppelin does. christ almighty.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:52 PM   #107
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but that is complete horse shit
explain how current popularity does not translate into ticket sales please

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:54 PM   #108
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i don't think it is. pearl jam doesn't have the kind of lasting popularity that led zeppelin does. christ almighty.
your brain is made of concrete.

Michael Jackson would put more asses on seats than Radiohead. Current relevance/popularity doesnt mean anything.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:55 PM   #109
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your brain is made of concrete.

Michael Jackson would put more asses on seats than Radiohead. Current relevance/popularity doesnt mean anything.
neither Pearl Jam nor Radiohead are on the level of someone like Michael Jackson or Zeppelin or U2 or The Beatles or whomever

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:55 PM   #110
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....because Michael Jackson is more popular than Radiohead.

And Radiohead is more popular than Pearl Jam.

Can we at least agree that Pearl Jam sucks?

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:57 PM   #111
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explain how current popularity does not translate into ticket sales please
i didnt say that current popularity DOESNT translate into ticket sales.

my point is, you cant just come out and say that Pearl Jam would sell less tickets because their recent material hasnt been strong. Look at Zeitgeist, for example; it's shit, but people still went to the shows. Michael Jackson fucks children, but people would fucking flock to his shows. Look at the stir Pink Floyd created when they "reformed" for the Live 8 concert.

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neither Pearl Jam nor Radiohead are on the level of someone like Michael Jackson or Zeppelin or U2 or The Beatles or whomever
goddamn exactly. Current popularity does not automatically mean that band x will sell more tickets. How hard is this to understand?

 
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....because Michael Jackson is more popular than Radiohead.
precisely, even though Jackson hasnt done anything for the past decade except touch young boys.

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And Radiohead is more popular than Pearl Jam.
currently? yes. Overall? no

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Can we at least agree that Pearl Jam sucks?
absolutely

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:00 PM   #114
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your brain is made of concrete.

Michael Jackson would put more asses on seats than Radiohead. Current relevance/popularity doesnt mean anything.
uh this entire argument is about popularity.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:01 PM   #115
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uh this entire argument is about popularity.

ahhh no it's not

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:03 PM   #116
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i didnt say that current popularity DOESNT translate into ticket sales.

my point is, you cant just come out and say that Pearl Jam would sell less tickets because their recent material hasnt been strong. Look at Zeitgeist, for example; it's shit, but people still went to the shows. Michael Jackson fucks children, but people would fucking flock to his shows. Look at the stir Pink Floyd created when they "reformed" for the Live 8 concert.

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the mid-sized venue i saw the pumpkins in was maybe 70% full. the larger venue i saw radiohead in the last time they came around was completely full. so, yeah.

and stop comparing PJ to these larger-than-life performers that will always sell out no matter what.

 
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Overall? no
See I disagree with this part...I guess...but at least we agree on the really important things. Like them sucking.

 
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uh this entire argument is about popularity.
dude. jesus.

i will spell this out, in even clearer terms.

Michael Jackson. History Tour. sells millions of fucking tickets. Great success! But hasnt done anything musically relevant for a long time.

Radiohead. sell alot of albums. popular band.

go ahead and convince me that a Radiohead world tour would gross more $$$ than History pt.2. not gonna happen.

 
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and stop comparing PJ to these larger-than-life performers that will always sell out no matter what.
Eulogy, for fucks sake. Pearl Jam have sold 60 Million records. SIXTY MILLION.

 
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Yeah but Michael Jackson's popularity was at a level so great that he will sell tickets as long as he hits the stage. He was on a different level than Pearl Jam ever dreamed of. I submit that the Smashing Pumpkins are a much better comparison for Pearl Jam...and they're not exactly the hottest ticket in town.

 
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