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Old 01-11-2008, 03:51 PM   #61
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I actually hate pavilions more than sports arenas, but both suck in comparison to more intimate venues. I just don't see Radiohead playing the Verizon Center though. Last time Pearl Jam came around I saw them there and at least half the seats were empty. And I am fairly sure that in the United States Pearl Jam is a lot more popular than Radiohead.
Radiohead haven't done a major US tour since 2003. Pearl Jam have done 3 or 4...

 
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Old 01-11-2008, 04:25 PM   #62
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on 89x this morning they talked to the band about things (i missed the interview) but they recapped that they mentioned not being on the tour lineup and thom yorke said, "i will be seeing you and your friends in the summer." whatever that means.
cool thanks for the news. i haven't listened to 89x for 2+ years now, so I would of never known that.

wait you are from detroit/windsor? a fellow friend perhaps?

 
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Old 01-11-2008, 05:59 PM   #63
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Argh. Another Grant Park show...the weekend before Lolla.

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Old 01-11-2008, 06:01 PM   #64
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It's the weekend of Lollapalooza if I am not mistaken.

 
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:03 PM   #65
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Yeah, assuming the unconfirmed date is correct, it's during Lollapalooza.

 
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:03 PM   #66
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It's the weekend of Lollapalooza if I am not mistaken.
that's the Saturday of Lollapalooza. I wonder who in the world could be the Sunday headliner, if its not Radiohead. Maybe RATM.

 
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Old 01-12-2008, 12:05 AM   #67
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maybe in 1992.
I think I had this argument once before on Netphoria. Radiohead are not too well known in the U.S. outside their immediate fan base. Fucking EVERYONE on the street knows who Pearl Jam is. The only thing most people can associate with Radiohead is Creep. Now maybe this doesn't necessarily correlate with the size of each band's fanbase in the states, but I don't see Radiohead filling the Verizon Center any better than Pearl Jam.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:00 AM   #68
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I think I had this argument once before on Netphoria. Radiohead are not too well known in the U.S. outside their immediate fan base. Fucking EVERYONE on the street knows who Pearl Jam is. The only thing most people can associate with Radiohead is Creep. Now maybe this doesn't necessarily correlate with the size of each band's fanbase in the states, but I don't see Radiohead filling the Verizon Center any better than Pearl Jam.
Well, they both sold out the Woodlands (17,000+ I think) here in Houston - a well known hotbed of fans of good music how big is the Verizon Center?

Btw, there was something on atease about how they were being really specific about the venues that they do/don't want to play, and these venues just don't *seem* right to me

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:09 AM   #69
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What the fuck...Radiohead has the number 1 album in the United States right now. Pearl Jam hasn't sniffed number 1 since 1996. Radiohead is clearly more well known than Pearl Jam. That's an absurd statement.

Anecdotally, the rock station in Boston's "huge" giveaway is tickets to Radiohead in Barcelona. Not Pearl Jam. Radiohead.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:12 AM   #70
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I think I had this argument once before on Netphoria. Radiohead are not too well known in the U.S. outside their immediate fan base. Fucking EVERYONE on the street knows who Pearl Jam is. The only thing most people can associate with Radiohead is Creep. Now maybe this doesn't necessarily correlate with the size of each band's fanbase in the states, but I don't see Radiohead filling the Verizon Center any better than Pearl Jam.
do you even know what the fuck you're talking about

whoever relates creep to radiohead probably relates jeremy to pearl jam. and they're stupid.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:12 AM   #71
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Well, they both sold out the Woodlands (17,000+ I think) here in Houston - a well known hotbed of fans of good music how big is the Verizon Center?

Btw, there was something on atease about how they were being really specific about the venues that they do/don't want to play, and these venues just don't *seem* right to me
I think the Verizon Center seats around 20,000 without the floor. Not sure.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:13 AM   #72
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What the fuck...Radiohead has the number 1 album in the United States right now. Pearl Jam hasn't sniffed number 1 since 1996. Radiohead is clearly more well known than Pearl Jam. That's an absurd statement.
You really have to realize that you're basing this off of the fact that you deal with college students 90% of the time. You are wrong when talking about general population. Play Alive and Jeremy for 100 people and I bet more people guess the band than if you play Karma Police and Creep
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Anecdotally, the rock station in Boston's "huge" giveaway is tickets to Radiohead in Barcelona. Not Pearl Jam. Radiohead.
What the hell does this have to do with anything, Pearl Jam isn't even touring, and contests are set up through corporate deals with promoters...

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:16 AM   #73
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that's such a good avatar for owning people.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:16 AM   #74
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You really have to realize that you're basing this off of the fact that you deal with college students 90% of the time. You are wrong when talking about general population. Play Alive and Jeremy for 100 people and I bet more people guess the band than if you play Karma Police and Creep
This was pretty much my point. Radiohead do not have much recognition outside the alt rock circle. FUCKING EVERYONE in the world at least knows Pearl Jam as the band with the guy who mumbles the lyrics. I would even go so far as to say the at this moment The Smashing Pumpkins are more well known than Radiohead in the US.

And album sales don't really mean anything anymore.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:21 AM   #75
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This was pretty much my point. Radiohead do not have much recognition outside the alt rock circle. FUCKING EVERYONE in the world at least knows Pearl Jam as the band with the guy who mumbles the lyrics. I would even go so far as to say the at this moment The Smashing Pumpkins are more well known than Radiohead in the US.

And album sales don't really mean anything anymore.
Pearl Jam - > Pumpkins - > Radiohead, in terms of recognition

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:23 AM   #76
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Pearl Jam - > Pumpkins - > Radiohead, in terms of recognition
Yeah, that's probably true. People reacted like this when I said Radiohead weren't too widely recognized last time. It's like it hurts their feelings that Thom Yorke isn't a household name.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:27 AM   #77
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not really, its because its wrong

its not like a good deal of radiohead fans arent the same indie snobs that pride themselves on name dropping bands you've never heard of.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:28 AM   #78
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not really, its because its wrong

its not like a good deal of radiohead fans arent the same indie snobs that pride themselves on name dropping bands you've never heard of.
they liked radiohead long before you did though

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:29 AM   #79
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of course

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:31 AM   #80
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radiohead has the largest google footprint of the bands mentioned here.

you decide the relevance of that, however.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:31 AM   #81
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Radiohead is more popular NOW than Pearl Jam is NOW. I thought that's what we were talking about? Are we? I realize that Jeremy is more popular than Karma Police. Regardless, Radiohead has the number 1 album in the US, a position Pearl Jam hasn't seen in over a decade. I guarantee that Radiohead would sell more tickets than Pearl Jam. Absolutely guarantee it. It has nothing to do with the fact that I'm in college, either.

 
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This was pretty much my point. Radiohead do not have much recognition outside the alt rock circle. FUCKING EVERYONE in the world at least knows Pearl Jam as the band with the guy who mumbles the lyrics. I would even go so far as to say the at this moment The Smashing Pumpkins are more well known than Radiohead in the US.

And album sales don't really mean anything anymore.
I think this entire post is wrong. Every single sentence of it.

 
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I was referring to overall public recognition. Radiohead will never have it the way Pearl Jam is it in the states. Pearl Jam is still the kind of band where non-fans will go out and buy their newest album because they know the name and liked some song they heard on the radio. Radiohead, not so much.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:54 AM   #84
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are you some sort of statistician

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:33 PM   #85
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NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED 05/16/2008 Miami, FL @ American Airlines Center
Oh god please make it happen.
Though it would be at the amphitheater next to it though I would think.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:49 PM   #86
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Hopefully the Tampa show is true. I really do not want to have to drive to Miami or GA.

 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:22 PM   #87
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Radiohead is more popular NOW than Pearl Jam is NOW. I thought that's what we were talking about? Are we?
yes, we are. redbreegull and nimrod are trying to debate something that is entirely irrelevant to the initial discussion.

people would recognize 1979 and Today before any Radiohead song, but that doesn't mean the Pumpkins will sell more concert tickets in 2008. jesus christ.

 
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that's the Saturday of Lollapalooza. I wonder who in the world could be the Sunday headliner, if its not Radiohead. Maybe RATM.
oh fuck that shit. i don't want to go to lollapalooza.

 
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Pearl Jam is still the kind of band where non-fans will go out and buy their newest album because they know the name and liked some song they heard on the radio. Radiohead, not so much.
this is somewhat true

 
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but Radiohead will never be a 'radio' band. besides, Pearl Jam suck.

 
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