joining together to fight global warming

[dean_r_koontz]

i don't think anyone has gotten the nobel prize for fighting global cooling

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Debaser

fuck it. scientists don't predict us being truly fucked (cities. underwater.) for another 100 years. no worries, mate.

did you know that at one time the western united states was under water? yes it's true

[dean_r_koontz]

actually i've never heard about it being a big deal at all.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by dean_r_koontz

i don't think anyone has gotten the nobel prize for fighting global cooling

don't kid yourself, gore got the nobel prize because te lefties on the panel felt bad that he was "cheated" out of an election

[dean_r_koontz]

natural climate fluctuations exists. this is not one of them.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

i absolutely think we should be concerned about waste and pollution, but those are not the same as "global warming"

all i hear is talk of "climate change" so you're missing the boat

also, what does it matter? I mean denying this stuff outright for reasons plucked from your lower colon just means you're not going to ever be serious about the environment and you'll dismiss anything that has to do with reform because it's based on "global warming."

am i wrong?

lets ban suvs, lets just start with that

[Mayfuck]

Debaser, your only flaw is your willingness to feed trolls. But there is actually a semi-decent conversation going here so its best to ignore nimrod as he has shown once again he resorts to trolling whenever an issue is clearly out of his element and beyond his understanding.

[trev]

Originally Posted by BumbleBeeMouth

Trev You must be the most awesome troll ever. SINCE WHEN DID THE WEIGHT OF NUMBERS JUSTIFY THE VALIDITY OF ANYTHING!! flat earth, geocentric view, witches, black people not having rights. You are quite naive, or come across that way.

well you've just proved your a dickhead. you think you know better than the difference between 10,940 or so scientists.

please share with us your basis for having such wisdom. large IQ? let me guess, you've done some research before, or studied science at one point?

i'm being simplistic about it because THIS VIEWPOINT DESERVES NO WEIGHT in our current time, it is not going to help and only slow down if not destroy any progress that is made.

yes, i know people can be wrong, vast majorities can be wrong, and have been in the past, but not very often. most of the time, they are right. it does not mean that every time there are differing opinions of hugely imbalanced proportions that you can pull the "earth was flat" card, because 99% of the time you will still be wrong. it's a rarity for that to happen, and even more so as technology and our knowledge base increases and grows.

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

two decades ago scientists were worried about global cooling

So? Back in the 1970's, after 30 or so years of global temperatures falling, a handful of scientific papers predicted it (nothing compared to the amount of research and papers predicting global warming these days) and they've obviously changed their minds.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"

[Trotskilicious]

i'm glad you approve of this and refrain from sharing in the discussion, mayfuck.

[<sp3]

Originally Posted by BumbleBeeMouth

Yes, i understand that. My point was more along the lines of fools rush in.

I do feel that the government places too much pressure on global warming in relation to its importance, down to both the hunt for popularity (green thinking is seen as admirable) and the current dependence on fossil fuels.

The fact of the matter is that due to the current political climate and increased scarcity of resources, the government needs to find a scapegoat for increasing the price of fossil fuels. If they can guilt trip you into using them less then it softens the blow. Please dont misquote me here, there is nothing wrong with minimising the consumption of fossil fuels, however i take umbrage with the methods used with which to do so. It is quite simply, brainwashing the ignorant to provide cultural weight to an argument. People will believe something if they want to, or are afraid it might be true.


That whole live earth concert left me pretty much apopleptic with fury, but i will save that for another time.






Trev You must be the most awesome troll ever. SINCE WHEN DID THE WEIGHT OF NUMBERS JUSTIFY THE VALIDITY OF ANYTHING!! flat earth, geocentric view, witches, black people not having rights. You are quite naive, or come across that way.



Hillzy, no, it isnt a vast conspiracy, the arguments for and against can both be argued competently, i must admit, that perhaps we are doing something. The fact is that it is difficult to truly know, and that is my sticking point.


@Debaser, in terms of solar activity having little effect on the trend for warmer temperatures, the use of this example was more as an additional variable to consider, and it is kind of the prime variable. Maybe ive just had a long day, but the article you linked me to, seems rather inconclusive, there are also geothermal variations, trophosphere anomalies and ocean current trends to consider. I mean, the information available is quite staggering to comprehend in its totality.


Wow, this is my first tl;dr Sorry...

this is pretty much exactly what i wanted to say, but put much more eloquently than i could have last night.

A+.


I was also tired and cranky when i sat down at the computer last night.

[dean_r_koontz]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

don't kid yourself, gore got the nobel prize because te lefties on the panel felt bad that he was "cheated" out of an election

they wanted to make gore feel better or did they just want to make a comment on the 2000 election process in the united states? in either case, it seems like an excellent strategy and not a waste of prize at all.

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

don't kid yourself, gore got the nobel prize because te lefties on the panel felt bad that he was "cheated" out of an election

baseless.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

all i hear is talk of "climate change" so you're missing the boat

also, what does it matter? I mean denying this stuff outright for reasons plucked from your lower colon just means you're not going to ever be serious about the environment and you'll dismiss anything that has to do with reform because it's based on "global warming."

am i wrong?

lets ban suvs, lets just start with that

What am I denying? I think we should be concerned about pollutants in our air and water.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Debaser

So? Back in the 1970's, after 30 or so years of global temperatures falling, a handful of scientific papers predicted it (nothing compared to the amount of research and papers predicting global warming these days) and they've obviously changed their minds.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"

"We were wrong before. In fact exactly the opposite of what we were running around and screaming is now true. Believe us now though!!"

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

Debaser, your only flaw is your willingness to feed trolls. But there is actually a semi-decent conversation going here so its best to ignore nimrod as he has shown once again he resorts to trolling whenever an issue is clearly out of his element and beyond his understanding.

I wouldn't engage trolls if I wasn't so damn bored.

[dean_r_koontz]

next year the comittee is rumored to give the award to rick waller, since he lost pop idol 2002 in england to Darius Danesh.

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

"We were wrong before. In fact exactly the opposite of what we were running around and screaming is now true. Believe us now though!!"

childish.

yeah because its those exact same handful of scientists from the 70's that is claiming global warming and nobody else nor any other tens of thousands of other currentclimate scientists

[<sp3]

Originally Posted by dean_r_koontz

ok i'm too lazy and have too much to do in school to properly respond to any arguments here but i will say this:
1. the global warming we experience right now is caused by humans.
2.we're all fucked

Glad you have it all figured out.

Please correct me if i am wrong, but i have tried to debate this many a time, and 90% of the time when someone comes out and states this it is because they just watched the al gore movie and/or read one or two crazy articles somewhere and now consider themselves to know everything they need to know to understand the issue.

[dean_r_koontz]

nah i've read stuff in science, nature etc. i trust them more than i trust you guy

[dean_r_koontz]

aaaand craig venter. i trust craig venter more than i trust you

[dean_r_koontz]

and i trust my own brain. the issue is actually so crystal clear that i can't be bothered to have an argument concerning if it's actually happening. the more interesting question is what to do about it. and maybe if something will be done at all

[dean_r_koontz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2...Comparison.png

[dean_r_koontz]

"Based on estimates by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, 2005 was the warmest year since reliable, widespread instrumental measurements became available in the late 1800s, exceeding the previous record set in 1998 by a few hundredths of a degree.[42] Estimates prepared by the World Meteorological Organization and the Climatic Research Unit concluded that 2005 was the second warmest year, behind 1998.[43][44]"

[dean_r_koontz]

it's odd that there's this correlation between the amount of CO2 that we put in the atmosphere and how hot the planet is, but i'm sure it's completely coincidential. perhaps NASA changed their meassurment results to make Al Gore happy, given that he lost the election.

[trev]

Originally Posted by dean_r_koontz

and i trust my own brain. the issue is actually so crystal clear that i can't be bothered to have an argument concerning if it's actually happening. the more interesting question is what to do about it. and maybe if something will be done at all

bingo

[dean_r_koontz]

yeah i just threw in some random wikipedia quotes in there. people who don't agree have other motives than purely intellectual ones for disagreeing.

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by < sp3

Glad you have it all figured out.

Please correct me if i am wrong, but i have tried to debate this many a time, and 90% of the time when someone comes out and states this it is because they just watched the al gore movie and/or read one or two crazy articles somewhere and now consider themselves to know everything they need to know to understand the issue.

Why do you toss out or glam onto global warming denier claims and then completely ignore rebuttals to them and instead just bring up al gore?

Since you want to change the subject to al gore, why don't you tell me what exactly was wrong with his movie? Be specific.

[DeviousJ]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

"We were wrong before. In fact exactly the opposite of what we were running around and screaming is now true. Believe us now though!!"

But that's not what happened

[Nimrod's Son]

the biggest cause of global warming is overpopulation. you should be pro-war if you're worried about global warming