2008 U.S. preisdential election: Obama vs. Huckabee

[TuralyonW3]

that's what it's looking like to me.

[JokeyLoki]

Interesting. Do you think Hillary's gonna fuck up that much before the primaries?

As far as the Republicans, it's a possibility... he's polling 2nd in the national Rasmussen polls currently, and closing in fast. There's not really any clear frontrunner there.

[jczeroman]

Mike Huckabee is the devil.

I would vote Obama long before Huckabee, and I told Rasmussen just that last night.

[Nimrod's Son]

Obama vs Huckabee is worse than Bush vs. Kerry

[redbull]

its so depressing to know that I might not vote.

[The Omega Concern]

the thing about primaries is that historically early leaders often fade and

usually winners are the men who are taller and have more hair.

[Tchocky]

I'm still thinking Hillary/Giuliani, despite what is being said in the polls right now.

[Chuck=Zero]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm still thinking Hillary/Giuliani, despite what is being said in the polls right now.

Same here, and for me, that scenario sucks more than any other.

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by Chuck=Zero

Same here, and for me, that scenario sucks more than any other.

Yeah really.

I'm not sure what it is about Huckabee that bothers so many Republicans. Sure, he's far from an ideal candidate by any stretch of the imagination...but still, you gotta wonder what's going on when Republicans are attacking a guy like Huckabee with gusto for being RINO (Republican in name only) while arguably bigger offenders like Rudy and Romney either slip by or are actively supported by the same folks.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm still thinking Hillary/Giuliani, despite what is being said in the polls right now.

that might be the only way i would vote for guiliani

of course i'd most likely go third party again.

i seriously think though that republicans are licking their chops to face hillary. she will get slaughtered in a general election. there's just too much ammo against her

[TuralyonW3]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

she will get slaughtered in a general election. there's just too much ammo against her

this is why I don't even think she'll win the primaries.

[ravenguy2000]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

i seriously think though that republicans are licking their chops to face hillary. she will get slaughtered in a general election. there's just too much ammo against her

Republicans are licking their chops to take her down any way possible, they should just be careful what they wish for if they do it too early. If she doesn't get the nom and Obama does Republicans are suddenly going up against a candidate who, imo, is about 10 times harder to beat than Clinton.

Anyway I think much of the ammo against Hillary is legit but the mound is sky high for Guiliani and if Romney keeps doing stuff like his response to the Don't Ask, Don't Tell question at the YouTube debates he'll be fucked in all possible ways. Such a weird election.

[sweetmusk]

they are all creeps

edit: but i will vote

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

this is why I don't even think she'll win the primaries.

There'a a good portion of the democratic base that sees Hillary as a "we" candidate and believes it puts Bill back in the White House. I think she's got an excellent chance

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Corganist

Yeah really.

I'm not sure what it is about Huckabee that bothers so many Republicans. Sure, he's far from an ideal candidate by any stretch of the imagination...but still, you gotta wonder what's going on when Republicans are attacking a guy like Huckabee with gusto for being RINO (Republican in name only) while arguably bigger offenders like Rudy and Romney either slip by or are actively supported by the same folks.

Yeah. Rudy is the definition of RINO. About the only big-name Republican who may be more RINO is The Governator. With Huckabee, you have someone who won't split the Republicans core voting base as much as Rudy (the Christian right refuses to support Rudy).

If Giuliani is nominated, the Republicans will be handing the election to the Democrats on a silver platter.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

There'a a good portion of the democratic base that sees Hillary as a "we" candidate and believes it puts Bill back in the White House. I think she's got an excellent chance

Yeah. She's definitely got issues, but how you put it is how I think the public percieves her. The mere fact that she's Willy's wifey gives her big bonus points. She has national name recognition, which helps. And then there's the glaring flaws of her top opposition in Obama and Edwards.

The Democrat primaries will be close, but I still see Hillary edging out the competition unless Obama does something huge in the next month or so to sway voters.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by ravenguy2000

Republicans are licking their chops to take her down any way possible, they should just be careful what they wish for if they do it too early. If she doesn't get the nom and Obama does Republicans are suddenly going up against a candidate who, imo, is about 10 times harder to beat than Clinton.

Anyway I think much of the ammo against Hillary is legit but the mound is sky high for Guiliani and if Romney keeps doing stuff like his response to the Don't Ask, Don't Tell question at the YouTube debates he'll be fucked in all possible ways. Such a weird election.

As I said earlier, the Repubs won't be doing themselves any favors if they nominate someone who will split the core of their voters, such as Giuliani. I agree that Hillary is very beatable, but not if the Republicans split their core constituents.

[Kanan Road]

if hillary is elected it will be the culmination of the communist takeover of america that has been spewing waste into our systems since 1945.

she has been in bed with the chicoms for too long, and a trail of bodies leads to the clintons.

[JokeyLoki]

FYI, I contributed to Huckabee's campaign last month, and I shall do so again. Hate me.

(I think he's great)

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by JokeyLoki

FYI, I contributed to Huckabee's campaign last month, and I shall do so again. Hate me.

(I think he's great)

What do you think of his religious views?

[redbull]

Originally Posted by JokeyLoki

Hate me.

TOMORROW, HATE ME TODAY

[Gish08]

2008 U.S. preisdential election: Obama vs. Huckabee

Are you on crack?

If Giuliani is nominated, the Republicans will be handing the election to the Democrats on a silver platter.

No. Rudy will appeal to most of the moderates and other "on the fence" voters. He's the GOP's best chance against Hillary.

I am voting for Hillary, by the way. I'd rather have someone new, but she's the only Democrat who can win. Anything is better than the Republicans getting the White House for at least 12 years straight. That's the last thing I want to see happen.

[TuralyonW3]

Originally Posted by Gish08

Are you on crack?


No. Rudy will appeal to most of the moderates and other "on the fence" voters. He's the GOP's best chance against Hillary.

I am voting for Hillary, by the way. I'd rather have someone new, but she's the only Democrat who can win. Anything is better than the Republicans getting the White House for at least 12 years straight. That's the last thing I want to see happen.

get a load of this guy.

Guilani gets booed to fuck at every republican debate, and he's one of the most pro-war candidates, which is not what the country wants.

[TuralyonW3]

I hate you Jokeyloki. Huckabee is a tool. "The american people don't want someone who they agree with on everything, they just want someone who's strong in his convictions." sounds like another Bush to me.

[Kanan Road]

BOOED THE FUCK RUDY

[Debaser]

All I do is suck Matt Taibbi's dick:


[...]

Ever since Huckabee turned in a dominating performance at a summit of Christian voters in Washington a few weeks ago, he has been riding a surge among likely Iowa voters (he's now second to Mitt Romney, and gaining). The media, like me, have been charmed by their initial impression: "It's hard not to like Mike Huckabee," gushed Newsweek. Even The Nation said he has "real charm."

But all the attention on his salesmanship skills obscures the real significance of his rise within the Republican Party. Mike Huckabee represents something that is either tremendously encouraging or deeply disturbing, depending on your point of view: a marriage of Christian fundamentalism with economic populism. Rather than employing the patented Bush-Rove tactic of using abortion and gay rights to hoodwink low-income Christians into supporting patrician, pro-corporate policies, Huckabee is a bigger-government Republican who emphasizes prison reform and poverty relief. In the world of GOP politics, he represents something entirely new -- a cross between John Edwards and Jerry Falwell, an ordained Southern Baptist preacher who actually seems to give a shit about the working poor.

But Huckabee is also something else: full-blown nuts, a Christian goofball of the highest order. He believes the Earth may be only 6,000 years old, angrily rejects the evidence that human beings evolved from "primates" and thinks America wouldn't need so much Mexican labor if we allowed every aborted fetus to grow up and enter the workforce. To top it off, Huckabee also left behind a record of ethical missteps in the swamp of Arkansas politics that make Whitewater seem like a jaywalking ticket.

All of which begs the question: If this religious zealot's rise represents the end of corporate dominance of the Republican Party, is that a good thing? Or is the real thing even worse than the fraud?

[...]

George Bush and John Ashcroft were religious in a scary way, but the rational among us could always take heart that, deep down, the Bush administration was more cynical than messianic. But it doesn't take much exposure to Huckabee to see that this former understudy of a Texas televangelist is deadly serious about the God thing. On the trail, Huckabee is most animated when he's talking about religious issues. In the first Republican debate in New Hampshire, Huckabee, apparently unaware that human beings are primates, responded to a question about evolution by saying, "If anybody wants to believe that they are the descendants of a primate, they are certainly welcome to do it."

Huckabee gave an even more damning glimpse into his inner batshit self in a recent appearance at the Prestonwood Baptist Church near Dallas, where he told audiences that Christians are sitting in the pole position of the race to Armageddon. "If you're with Jesus Christ, we know how it turns out in the final moment," he said. "I've read the last chapter in the book, and we do end up winning."

Winning? I ask Huckabee when, exactly, he thinks victory will arrive. "When I was eighteen, I thought I had it pretty well figured out," he says. "I thought the end of the world was coming at any moment." But when I ask how his views have changed, he says only that he is "less adamant now." Huckabee, with the wisdom of age, apparently believes we have at least a day or two left until the end of the world.

The troubling thing about Huckabee's God rhetoric is that a man who is glad that Christians will "win" at Armageddon must be happy about the rest of us losing. When I press him on whether he believes all non-Christians are eternally damned, Huckabee is evasive. "Being president isn't about picking who goes to heaven and who goes to hell," he says. When none other than Bill O'Reilly hammered him on the same point a day later, Huckabee conceded that "I believe Jesus is the way to heaven."

This God stuff isn't just talk with Huck. One of his first acts as governor was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded teenager who had been raped by her stepfather -- an act in direct violation of federal law, which requires states to pay for abortions in cases of rape. "The state didn't fund a single such abortion while Huckabee was governor," says Dr. William Harrison of the Fayetteville Women's Clinic. "Zero."

As president, Huck would support a constitutional amendment banning abortion and would give science a back seat to religion. "Science changes with every generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn't," he says. "So I'll stick with God if the two are in conflict." Huckabee's well-documented disdain for science was reflected in the performance of the Arkansas school system when he was governor; one independent survey gave the state an F for its science standards in schools, a grade that among other things reflected Huckabee's hostility toward the teaching of evolution.

Huckabee at most times is gentle and self-deprecating in his public address, but when he talks about religion, he gets weirdly combative and obnoxious, often drifting into outright offensiveness. At one appearance, Huckabee -- who's been known to make fart jokes in front of the state legislature -- said he would oppose gay marriage "until Moses comes down with two stone tablets from Brokeback Mountain saying he's changed the rules." And he recently scored a rare offend trifecta, simultaneously pissing off immigrants, Jews and the pro-choice crowd when he ludicrously claimed that a "holocaust" of abortions had artificially created a demand for Mexican labor.

[...]

Make no mistake, Huckabee can win this thing. None of his four main rivals -- Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson and John McCain -- can claim to represent the Christian right. His biggest problem is money: Apart from a few prominent bundlers culled from the ranks of Arkansas-based Wal-Mart, Huck has largely been ignored by the big-money players in his own party. But even here he is steadily gaining: After raising $6,000 a day in the first quarter, he is now racking up $30,000 a day, much of it from small donors. That money could enable Huckabee to compete hard in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, where his relentless God-humping figures to score big at the polls. "We've got to do well in the early primaries," he says. "If we do, there'll be a total upheaval of the process."

When Huckabee talks like this, he sounds like what he is -- the Howard Dean of the Republican Party, an insurgent candidate who shot toward the top by appealing to a disaffected base. But Dean, who ended up stumbling out of Iowa with his balls stuffed in his mouth, learned the hard way that populist campaigns have a way of imploding under the glare of the modern campaign process. Which means: Charm only goes so far if you're full-bore nuts. Huckabee may be able to get away with saying he's not a primate, but he'd better not scream it.




Emphasis by me. All the parts I left out of the article is worth reading, too.

[Gish08]

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

get a load of this guy.

Guilani gets booed to fuck at every republican debate, and he's one of the most pro-war candidates, which is not what the country wants.

When Rudy beats Hillary by like one or two states next year, don't come crying to me.

Did you forget that there's a significant amount of people who simply will not vote for a woman (even Democrats), PERIOD? Not to mention have you seen the public's approval of our Democratic congress? It's lower than the President's.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Gish08

I'd rather have someone new, but she's the only Democrat who can win.

lol

[Gish08]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

lol

lol what?

[Nimrod's Son]

Pretty much everyone on both sides of the aisle agreed that Hillary is in huge trouble in a general election, and then you throw that nugget of genius out there