Tonight, Tonight is Vanilla, revamped

Delicieuxz · 10-25-2007, 04:31 AM

TT's main chord progression is taken from Vanilla, as well as the G -> G/C chord progression of TT's second verse.

Thought that detail will interest some.

rolmos · 10-25-2007, 07:25 AM

I just realized I listen to Vanilla much more then TT.

??? · 10-25-2007, 08:18 AM

its only one of the most generic standard chord progressions there is

Delicieuxz · 10-25-2007, 08:33 AM

G -> D -> Em -> Am -> C

Don't know of too many songs using that, especially not in the SP catalogue, wherein Vanilla uses it, and then Tonight, Tonight uses it - as well as the G -> Gsus combo, which is also only shared between Vanilla and TT. Hence this thread's point.

??? · 10-25-2007, 08:45 AM

yeah but they're still all really standard obvious chords, virtually every progression has probably been done a million times already whether by sp or not

i don't hear much of a similarity between vanilla and tonight, though- the chords may be similar but the timing and strumming patterns are different

IWishIWasBlank · 10-25-2007, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delicieuxz

TT's main chord progression is taken from Vanilla, as well as the G -> G/C chord progression of TT's second verse.

Thought that detail will interest some.

Congratulations. Here's a cookie.

T&T · 10-25-2007, 10:10 AM

i like hearing
D > A > C > G

in porcelina
and in cherub rock

xezton · 10-25-2007, 10:25 AM

BlissedandGone2 · 10-25-2007, 12:17 PM

vanilla is a pretty stupid song

cork_soaker · 10-25-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlissedandGone2

vanilla is a pretty stupid song

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...89&postcount=1

suncrashesdown · 10-25-2007, 01:36 PM

LOL @ Gackt

1100ww · 10-25-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delicieuxz

Tonight Tonight is Vanilla, revamped.

no.

tcm · 10-25-2007, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T&T

i like hearing
D > A > C > G

in porcelina
and in cherub rock

and in rocket

selection7 · 10-25-2007, 11:36 PM

That G-D-E part of the progression is especially common. I've run across it several times. One that come to mind is years ago I picked up a guitar magazine and strummed through the chord's to Jewel's "You were meant for me". "Hey, sounds like Tonight!" I thought. Indeed. Sing the Jewel chorus lyrics "eeee-ven after you're gone...I know, that you love me and... " while playing G-D-Em-Am-C. Jewel actually uses G-D-Em-C-D but you can play it with Billy's chord progression and it still sounds right.

The Vanilla chorus throws in the extra C-G on the end (that I've never cared for). I like Vanilla though. One of the only Reel Time songs Billy mostly sang in tune.

If Billy himself told me he didn't take the main riff from Vanilla for the live Porcelina outro I wouldn't believe him. That's obviously where it came from.

reprise85 · 10-26-2007, 12:25 AM

You really think after the hundreds and hundreds of songs Billy has written in the last 20 years he'll never come close to repeating himself? It would be basically impossible for him not to. Billy probably hasn't even thought of 'Vanilla' in years. But no, he definately stole it from Vanilla on purpose

reprise85 · 10-26-2007, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selection7

Jewel actually uses G-D-Em-C-D but you can play it with Billy's chord progression and it still sounds right.

LO fucking L

cherub poop · 10-26-2007, 12:49 AM

G-D-Em-Am-C is a I-V-vi-ii-IV in the key of G major. It is a slight variation on the I-V-ii-IV progression that is one of the most common progressions used in rock music. It is VERY common for guitar players to use a variation on this progression. The key of G is also VERY heavily used in popular music because it lends itself perfectly to the easy to play open chords on the guitar. The fact that the progression is similar in Vanilla and TT is meaningless as far as an analysis of BC's songwriting is concerned, it is simply too common. Disarm among many other SP songs is a textbook, although more interesting, variation of this progression.

xezton · 10-26-2007, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherub poop

...Disarm among many other SP songs is a textbook, although more interesting, variation of this progression.

topleybird · 10-26-2007, 01:12 PM

Plus Billy originally, like, wrote TT in C, and stuff

Right

I don't know what I'm talking about at all

schmokes · 10-26-2007, 02:13 PM

Disarm

cherub poop · 10-26-2007, 04:17 PM

Disarm is in the key of G major with a vi-IV-I-V progression for the verse. It is textbook in that it never leaves G major and sticks to the usual open chords. But it is a more unusual progression than I-V-vi-ii-IV. Does that clear up your confusion xezton?

xezton · 10-26-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by schmokes

Disarm

My favorite part of this song is when the guitarist imitates that annoying, textbook, but more interesting, voice crack she does when she sings, at 0:43.

He's doing it because it fits with her, but it's funny to think he's making fun of her.

edit: OH WAIT FUCK IT IS HER HAHAHA NICE. SHE CRACKS HER GUITAR'S VOICE TOO

10-25-2007, 04:31 AM	#1
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10-25-2007, 07:25 AM	#2
rolmos Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,351	I just realized I listen to Vanilla much more then TT.

10-25-2007, 08:18 AM	#3
??? Minion of Satan Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯ Posts: 8,660	its only one of the most generic standard chord progressions there is

10-25-2007, 08:33 AM	#4
Delicieuxz Pledge Posts: 206	G -> D -> Em -> Am -> C Don't know of too many songs using that, especially not in the SP catalogue, wherein Vanilla uses it, and then Tonight, Tonight uses it - as well as the G -> Gsus combo, which is also only shared between Vanilla and TT. Hence this thread's point.

10-25-2007, 08:45 AM	#5
??? Minion of Satan Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯ Posts: 8,660	yeah but they're still all really standard obvious chords, virtually every progression has probably been done a million times already whether by sp or not i don't hear much of a similarity between vanilla and tonight, though- the chords may be similar but the timing and strumming patterns are different

10-25-2007, 10:10 AM	#7
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 10,142	i like hearing D > A > C > G in porcelina and in cherub rock

10-25-2007, 12:17 PM	#9
BlissedandGone2 Minion of Satan Location: You don't play guitar hero if you are a guitar hero. Posts: 5,803	vanilla is a pretty stupid song

10-25-2007, 01:36 PM	#11
suncrashesdown Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,785	LOL @ Gackt

10-25-2007, 11:36 PM	#14
selection7 Demi-God Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 287	That G-D-E part of the progression is especially common. I've run across it several times. One that come to mind is years ago I picked up a guitar magazine and strummed through the chord's to Jewel's "You were meant for me". "Hey, sounds like Tonight!" I thought. Indeed. Sing the Jewel chorus lyrics "eeee-ven after you're gone...I know, that you love me and... " while playing G-D-Em-Am-C. Jewel actually uses G-D-Em-C-D but you can play it with Billy's chord progression and it still sounds right. The Vanilla chorus throws in the extra C-G on the end (that I've never cared for). I like Vanilla though. One of the only Reel Time songs Billy mostly sang in tune. If Billy himself told me he didn't take the main riff from Vanilla for the live Porcelina outro I wouldn't believe him. That's obviously where it came from.

10-26-2007, 12:25 AM	#15
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,891	You really think after the hundreds and hundreds of songs Billy has written in the last 20 years he'll never come close to repeating himself? It would be basically impossible for him not to. Billy probably hasn't even thought of 'Vanilla' in years. But no, he definately stole it from Vanilla on purpose

10-26-2007, 12:49 AM	#17
cherub poop Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 15	G-D-Em-Am-C is a I-V-vi-ii-IV in the key of G major. It is a slight variation on the I-V-ii-IV progression that is one of the most common progressions used in rock music. It is VERY common for guitar players to use a variation on this progression. The key of G is also VERY heavily used in popular music because it lends itself perfectly to the easy to play open chords on the guitar. The fact that the progression is similar in Vanilla and TT is meaningless as far as an analysis of BC's songwriting is concerned, it is simply too common. Disarm among many other SP songs is a textbook, although more interesting, variation of this progression.

10-25-2007, 10:25 AM	#8
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10-26-2007, 01:12 PM	#19
topleybird Janis Jopleybird Location: Let me see the booty hop. And now make the booty stop. Now drop, and do the booty wop. Posts: 4,533	Plus Billy originally, like, wrote TT in C, and stuff Right I don't know what I'm talking about at all

10-26-2007, 02:13 PM	#20
schmokes Demi-God Location: Eye Lasers Posts: 280	Disarm

10-26-2007, 04:17 PM	#21
cherub poop Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 15	Disarm is in the key of G major with a vi-IV-I-V progression for the verse. It is textbook in that it never leaves G major and sticks to the usual open chords. But it is a more unusual progression than I-V-vi-ii-IV. Does that clear up your confusion xezton?