Sesame Street to introduce HIV positive muppet

Originally posted by Eulogy:
This is a bad thing?

Kids shouldn't learn how HIV is contracted from Sesame Street...but I think it's ok for them to learn tolerance form the show.

Huh? That's what I just said.

Originally posted by So very sad about me:
Muppets are from a different show.

On sesame street they have real kids and adults.

no, all the jim henson puppet charecters are muppets. the fraggle rock muppets, seasame street muppets, and then the muppet show muppets.

Originally posted by Mayfuck:
This is just like the Nick News feature on gay parents thread. The show didn't discuss homosexuality and the homosexual lifestyle, rather they promoted tolerance for "different" families. Likewise, I think Sesame Street will teach kids to not be afraid of other children/people who have HIV. I doubt they will ever go into discussion about how HIV is contracted or any such thing.

Originally posted by So very sad about me:


And who exactly gets to infect the muppet???

You can be born with aids or hiv if your mother has it.

Originally posted by Random Female:
You can be born with aids or hiv if your mother has it.

That was supposed to be a joke http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

Originally posted by Mayfuck:
Likewise, I think Sesame Street will teach kids to not be afraid of other children/people who have HIV

bad argument. kids needn't be "taught" to "not be afraid of other" kids; kids naturally love; it's the parents who need to be re-educated

but know that 99% of kids are going to ask why? and how?

"johnny, that muppet's dad used a dirty heroin needle"

"susie, that girls mom had unprotected sex"

Originally posted by Mayfuck:
Huh? That's what I just said.

I misunderstood the icon.

Originally posted by So very sad about me:
Muppets are from a different show.

On sesame street they have real kids and adults.

two tips:

1. actually read the story posted (if it's faulty, then it's faulty)---kermit WAS a bad example b/c he ain't on there sorry

2. actually watch an episode of sesame street; they have all kinds of "muppets"


like i said initially, tolerance is natural for children; let kids have a childhood apart from questions about oral sex and intravenous drug use!!

what a revolutionary idea!

Originally posted by So very sad about me:

And the 5 yr old children infected with HIV have gotten it from fucking and drugs.

You're the reason they need education!

kids without aids don't naturally have prejudice against kids who are HIV positive; like i said, re-educate the parents; let the kids have a childhood

Originally posted by mpp:

two tips:

1. actually read the story posted (if it's faulty, then it's faulty)---kermit WAS a bad example b/c he ain't on there sorry

2. actually watch an episode of sesame street; they have all kinds of "muppets"


like i said initially, tolerance is natural for children; let kids have a childhood apart from questions about oral sex and intravenous drug use!!

what a revolutionary idea!

However, they DO have real people too....

And like a child would actually ask "how do people get aids" and have a parent answer "by assfucking and taking heroin!"

I would imagine the proper response would be something like "their disease makes them always sick, and unable to get well"

How about kids who are actually born with HIV? Shouldn't be felt to feel that they're ok, that they can hang around with other people and that their disease shouldn't make them feel different and isolated?

Originally posted by mpp:

bad argument. kids needn't be "taught" to "not be afraid of other" kids; kids naturally love; it's the parents who need to be re-educated

Uh, the shit kids learn as kids are what they take to adult hood. You raise your kid to believe that faggots are bad, and only faggots get AIDs, they will hold that belief.

Originally posted by Graveflower:
Uh, the shit kids learn as kids are what they take to adult hood. You raise your kid to believe that faggots are bad, and only faggots get AIDs, they will hold that belief.

so you're proving my point? please articulate.

your argument: the shit kids learn from their parents is what they take into adult hood

my argument: the shit kids learn from their parents is what they take into adult hood


therefore, re-educate parents, not kids; 3 to 7 year olds (the target audience for sesame street) shouldn't have to be confronted with issues like AIDS until they're older; let them be kids


so, mpp, you're offering alot of criticism but no alternative solutions, eh? you got it. that's because there aren't any that work. people form opinions as they're brought up and those opinions tend to hold, more or less, well thru adulthood; it's a vicious cycle and it's something sesame street can't fucking touch

nevertheless, putting an HIV positive character on sesame street, while pointless in the long run (as the previous paragraph explained), is necessarily a bad idea b/c it leads to kids questioning things like homosexuality, communicable diseases, intravenous drug use, prostitution, and sex way before they need to

Originally posted by So very sad about me:

That was supposed to be a joke http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

yeah, well, you're not funny.

Originally posted by So very sad about me:

However, they DO have real people too....

And like a child would actually ask "how do people get aids" and have a parent answer "by assfucking and taking heroin!"

I would imagine the proper response would be something like "their disease makes them always sick, and unable to get well"

"How do people get HIV?"
"Their disease makes them always sick..."

That answers the question in what way?

If they have this muppet on the show, dont you think they would explain about its disease? Therefore, the children probably won't have to ask about it.

Edit: Also, this is from the article -


"We will be very careful to fashion our messages so they are appropriate to the age group. What do I do when I cut my finger? What do I do when you cut your finger? That sort of thing."




[This message has been edited by sweet sweet (edited 07-13-2002).]

you can't really re-educate parents..much..there's this window of opportunity when you can reach people and when you can't....the older you get, the more stuck in your ways you become. starting early is the best decision, i think

another thought....

they cant let this muppet live forever can they? how are they going to kill it? or does it simply leave with no explaination?

Originally posted by frail_and_bedazzled:
you can't really re-educate parents..much..there's this window of opportunity when you can reach people and when you can't....the older you get, the more stuck in your ways you become. starting early is the best decision, i think

precisely correct.

basic problem: children are not only raised by tv shows but also their parents; they can't ask tv shows questions so they ask their parents (or other people); parents are already close-minded to the AIDS crisis in south africa, therefore parents give kids bad answers; hate starts all over again

whew.

Originally posted by bittertrance:
another thought....

they cant let this muppet live forever can they? how are they going to kill it? or does it simply leave with no explaination?

Well, HIV isn't AIDS...