well its a good thing people want to detonate radioactive bombs on the US

Originally posted by kypper:
don't bullshit me with farmer issues. Farmer subsidies is the ONLY way for a country to be self sufficient. Agri-foods in the USA and Mexico would give INSANE control to the United States over the rest of the world if that wasn't in place. It's not UNFAIR at all; it's common goddamned sense. Quit complaining and subsidize your farmers like the rest of the world.

and why exactly should we be fair to the rest of the world? The rest of the world has NEVER EVER been fair to the US. You're forgetting at our conception we were raped in the way of income and financial well being. We were treated horribly by England taxed beyond our means and given no help whatsoever from any country as tons of our people died in our first year in north america. Sorry.... when our country broke away from England we didn't really instill the values of helping other countries.

It's kinda hard for our country to follow agricultural employment methods of foreign countries when other countries don't have the best of agricultural standards and until other countries can meet those standards and put the amount of sanitary food in our grocery stores that our country demands then this isn't even worth discussing.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:

and why exactly should we be fair to the rest of the world? The rest of the world has NEVER EVER been fair to the US. You're forgetting at our conception we were raped in the way of income and financial well being. We were treated horribly by England taxed beyond our means and given no help whatsoever from any country as tons of our people died in our first year in north america. Sorry.... when our country broke away from England we didn't really instill the values of helping other countries.

It's kinda hard for our country to follow agricultural employment methods of foreign countries when other countries don't have the best of agricultural standards and until other countries can meet those standards and put the amount of sanitary food in our grocery stores that our country demands then this isn't even worth discussing.

NEWS FLASH FAGGOT: CANADA HAS AS GOOD OR BETTER FOOD PRODUCTS THAN YOU FUCKERS DO, BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR AGRIFOOD CORPORATIONS AND OUR ABSENCE OF SUBSIDY, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE OF BEING SELF SUFFICIENT AND OUR FARMERS ARE HAVING TO BURN GRAIN DUE TO LACK OF PURCHASE. NAFTA HAS FUCKED US UP THE ASS AND GIVEN YOU A HUGE ADVANTAGE. I'M NOT SIDING WITH THE USA CRYING BOO HOO BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD ISN'T 100% CAPITALIST IN FAVOUR OF THEIR CORPORATIONS, BUT INSTEAD FAVOURS A THRIVING ECONOMY AND MIDDLE CLASS.

Dude, I think you left the caps lock key on.

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Originally posted by Fonzie:
Dude, I think you left the caps lock key on.

Oh yeah

Originally posted by 13:

Then what's the point of creating a department of homeland security with no authority over the intelligence agencies? I thought this was designed to address the accountablity issues recently brought up in the Rowley memo.

My understanding of it is this... The FBI and CIA are seperate and distinct entities (as in seperate from the branches of government)...thus, it would not be appropriate for the Department of Homeland Security to have authority over them. And I'm not sure that it is a brilliant idea to have the FBI and CIA "looked over" and "regulated" by the Executive branch. The purpose of the creation of a Department of Homeland Security is to get all the different agencies talking and coordinating...so the Coast Guard knows what the Border Patrol is doing, so there is more commonality among those agencies (as in common goal and whatever). The Department of Homeland Security doesn't really have a lot to with accountability. The accountability issues will primarily be taken care of through the internal changes within the FBI and CIA. The basic goal of the Department of Homeland Security (realistically and in reality) is some more sharing of information and greater all around coordination between all agencies and organizations. (Additionally, one of the jobs of the FBI and CIA is intelligence gathering, other organizations such as the Border Patrol, aren't exactly involved in that sort of stuff.)



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Originally posted by kypper:
NEWS FLASH FAGGOT: CANADA HAS AS GOOD OR BETTER FOOD PRODUCTS THAN YOU FUCKERS DO, BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR AGRIFOOD CORPORATIONS AND OUR ABSENCE OF SUBSIDY, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE OF BEING SELF SUFFICIENT AND OUR FARMERS ARE HAVING TO BURN GRAIN DUE TO LACK OF PURCHASE. NAFTA HAS FUCKED US UP THE ASS AND GIVEN YOU A HUGE ADVANTAGE. I'M NOT SIDING WITH THE USA CRYING BOO HOO BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD ISN'T 100% CAPITALIST IN FAVOUR OF THEIR CORPORATIONS, BUT INSTEAD FAVOURS A THRIVING ECONOMY AND MIDDLE CLASS.

A) There are certain foods canada can not produce simply because of their climate and farmer population. We gonna buy organes from Canada?

B) There are certian livestock Canada cannot accompany due to climate and population. Canada doesn't have the numbers to produce beef demands of the US nor sanitary standards.

C) Canada allows farmers to use pesticides that the FDA views unacceptable for our farmers to use. These pesticides are cheaper. Canada can produce grain slightly cheaper than us so we mark up canadian grain to equal ours. Canadian farmers don't want that so they can make more $$$... that is the definition of selfish capitalistic ventures.

America can feed itself.... what problem do you see with this? We don't absolutely need any country and I guess this is bad? We can make food with american money, employ americans to produce it, and market it with american buyers.... why do we need to cut anyone in on this?

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Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
A) There are certain foods canada can not produce simply because of their climate and farmer population. We gonna buy organes from Canada?

B) There are certian livestock Canada cannot accompany due to climate and population. Canada doesn't have the numbers to produce beef demands of the US nor sanitary standards.

C) Canada allows farmers to use pesticides that the FDA views unacceptable for our farmers to use. These pesticides are cheaper. Canada can produce grain slightly cheaper than us so we mark up canadian grain to equal ours. Canadian farmers don't want that so they can make more $$$... that is the definition of selfish capitalistic ventures.

America can feed itself.... what problem do you see with this? We don't absolutely need any country and I guess this is bad? We can make food with american money, employ americans to produce it, and market it with american buyers.... why do we need to cut anyone in on this?

retard, pay attention. I don't give a fuck what the USA receives from us. We send food to Europe, China, etc. I CARE ABOUT OUR OWN SELF SUFFICIENCY, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOSING IT TO YOUR INSANE DRIVE FOR THE ALMIGHTY BUCK. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SUBSIDIZE OUR OWN FARMERS SO THAT WE DONT BUY (YES BUY) YOUR SHIT FOOD, BITCH.

Originally posted by kypper:
retard, pay attention. I don't give a fuck what the USA receives from us. We send food to Europe, China, etc. I CARE ABOUT OUR OWN SELF SUFFICIENCY, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOSING IT TO YOUR INSANE DRIVE FOR THE ALMIGHTY BUCK. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SUBSIDIZE OUR OWN FARMERS SO THAT WE DONT BUY (YES BUY) YOUR SHIT FOOD, BITCH.

who said you didnt have the right? fine by us just don't bitch about the US's wealth

you take your ritalin today?

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:

who said you didnt have the right? fine by us just don't bitch about the US's wealth

you take your ritalin today?

That the United States' corporations are controlling the most powerful nation in the world is causing extreme difficulty to the rest of the world. YOU said we didn't have the right because you whined about your farmers not being able to compete. Bitch btich. Your own little farmers' worst competition is the huge agrifood companies in the United States. So quit whining and do something about monopoly, or shut your fucking trap, you Randist little pussy.

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Originally posted by kypper:
NEWS FLASH FAGGOT: CANADA HAS AS GOOD OR BETTER FOOD PRODUCTS THAN YOU FUCKERS DO, BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR AGRIFOOD CORPORATIONS AND OUR ABSENCE OF SUBSIDY, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE OF BEING SELF SUFFICIENT AND OUR FARMERS ARE HAVING TO BURN GRAIN DUE TO LACK OF PURCHASE. NAFTA HAS FUCKED US UP THE ASS AND GIVEN YOU A HUGE ADVANTAGE. I'M NOT SIDING WITH THE USA CRYING BOO HOO BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD ISN'T 100% CAPITALIST IN FAVOUR OF THEIR CORPORATIONS, BUT INSTEAD FAVOURS A THRIVING ECONOMY AND MIDDLE CLASS.

Keep in mind that many of the U.S. "agri-food" companies also operate in Canada. Keep in mind as well that Canada doesn't have a lot of successfully farmable land. They are just realizing now that they overreached their bounds in the prarie provinces and tried to farm land that is too far north to support even a successful wheat crop.

I think this thread is about to detonate like a radioactive bomb.

Originally posted by DeviousJ:
That's all true, except that America is abusing its position. You can say that capitalism is natural, but the US tries to pretend it isn't happening, and most of its citizens aren't aware that other parts of the world are getting fucked over to make America more powerful. This is what I was getting at with the 'be the bigger person' statement - it may be natural to want to gain power and rule the world, but we should be beyond that kind of thing. In the current climate, cops need guns - but they're meant to keep the peace, as a moral authority. They aren't meant to use their guns to push people around. The US likes to present itself as a protector of the world, when it is anything but. Its sad, because America could do great things for civilization

I don't think the U.S. abuses its position non-stop. Or that the U.S. pretends that anything isn't happening. What you seem to be desiring is a Utopia...which is just not possible. And if the U.S. were to constantly strive for a Utopia, it would find itself pushed around and in the gutter...it would definitely not be the most powerful nation. And the U.S. does do many many many many things to help out other nations. However, there is not an endless supply of money (despite what the Republicans might think) and there are many many many many changes that need to take place inside the U.S. The U.S. goverment needs to think of its needs and its citizens first. The U.S. cannot worry and attempt to save every citizen of every country...it's just not possible...it would be great if it were, but it's just not. The U.S. does what it can, when it can, where it can. And yes, those whats, whens, and wheres are often self serving. This is not a Utopia, the U.S. does not have an endless supply of resources, so the U.S. can't really go around helping countries when it is not of at least some little benefit to the U.S. Additionally, I don't think the American public is as ignorant as some people think (but, of course, I've spent most of my time in NYC and DC surrounded by graduate students and people working in politics). And the Founding Fathers knew and anticipated the ignorance of the American public. That's why they set up the government the way they did.

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Originally posted by Mariner:
Keep in mind that many of the U.S. "agri-food" companies also operate in Canada. Keep in mind as well that Canada doesn't have a lot of successfully farmable land. They are just realizing now that they overreached their bounds in the prarie provinces and tried to farm land that is too far north to support even a successful wheat crop.

Technology could terraform that land easily.
As for your US/CANADA joint Agrifood companies, realize that we get next to nothing out of the deal, since most of the money earned from them here (taxes aren't paid by those large corporations in Canada any more than in the USA) goes south to their owners.

Originally posted by kypper:
That the United States' corporations are controlling the most powerful nation in the world is causing extreme difficulty to the rest of the world. YOU said we didn't have the right because you whined about your farmers not being able to compete. Bitch btich. Your own little farmers' worst competition is the huge agrifood companies in the United States. So quit whining and do something about monopoly, or shut your fucking trap, you Randist little pussy.

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dude what in gods name are you talking about? Go back and read what I said. I'm not whining about anything... i like things the way they are. If I had it my way we'd run your piss poor excuse of a country outta buisness and have you motherfuckers cleaning our toilets. If you read what i said about our farmers i said your farmers werent able to compete so we basicly bitched slapped your country and said oh well you have to pay our tarriffs. And I love it that way http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

kypper- needs to learn to read


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Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
dude what in gods name are you talking about? Go back and read what I said. I'm not whining about anything... i like things the way they are. If I had it my way we'd run your piss poor excuse of a country outta buisness and have you motherfuckers cleaning our toilets. If you read what i said about our farmers i said your farmers werent able to compete so we basicly bitched slapped your country and said oh well you have to pay our tarriffs. And I love it that way http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

kypper- needs to learn to read

I know how to read. Maybe if you weren't doing so much coke, you'd remember what you said before.

That Same Asshole:
If you want to look at farmers and talk about true corruption to the middle class lets look at the outrageous trade agreements other countries want that put our farmers out of work. It's simply justified because it is a foreign country and not a foreign company. However if you think about it the government of a foreign country used as such is simply a glorified corporation.

Oh, and by the way, your holier than thou attitude is exactly why the United States got bombed in 9/11.

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Originally posted by kypper:
Oh, and by the way, your holier than thou attitude is exactly why the United States got bombed in 9/11.

Kids, that's how you end a thread with class. It's closed.