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06-11-2002, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by BlueStar:
I look forward to it.

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06-11-2002, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by The Omega Concern:
the main mantra i hear from the extreme left is that the Taliban and the Bushy's were in cahoots with each other. Maybe not buddy-buddy type stuff but a mutually beneficial relationship that would allow an Oil pipeline through Afgahnistan.

disgusting if true. it appears so. the oil thing is tied to all this but that's really a seperate argument that includes alternate energy sources and global warming, etc.

But none of that means 9/11 is a conspiracy for malicious Gestappo-like tactics from Bush. Still doesnt. The attack on the WTC in '93 is prime evidence the muslim extremist sole intent is a Jihad against the infidels.

But the religious/extreme left in this country like to deal in illusions and never quite make it to the maturity of good philosophy.

Case in point: Michael Moore.

the FBI, like all law enforcement agencies in this country the last 20 years or so, have had to operate under the counter-intuitive notion of racial profiling. A dogma used by the professional Victomologist teaching the soft sciences in colleges and universities all over America.

These people use the Constitution of the United States to undermine partriotism and nationalsim the way Al-Queda and the Taliban use Religion to justify their genocide against the infidels. All they really care about is anarchy and not much else.

There's your Religious Left.

You are frighteningly Republican.

06-11-2002, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by kypper:
[b] Well, New Zealand is peanuts in terms of anything but water territory, so USA and Britain don't care.
[b]

Of course they fucking care. NZ is awash with British and American people and interests. They just have conflicting interests.

That's what countries like the US and Britain do. They know what is right and wrong and sometimes they do wrong because it serves their purpose more. That's why both nations are trying to make peace with India and Pakistan at the same time as they sell weapons to the both. Sometimes doing what is morally right is too costly. It's the price they pay for being more powerful than most. Morally corrupt.

06-11-2002, 11:42 PM

Actually no. Im still a registered Democrat. I became one when my college buddies got two bucks for each person that registered Democrat. I said I would if I get a buck myself. They agreed. AND THAT is your Democratic party in a nut-shell.

I really only care about Truth. And until I see and experience things differently, I stand by my Stalin, Marx, Engels, Lenin assertion of the professional Victimologist.

06-12-2002, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by slunky_munky:
Of course they fucking care. NZ is awash with British and American people and interests. They just have conflicting interests.

That's what countries like the US and Britain do. They know what is right and wrong and sometimes they do wrong because it serves their purpose more. That's why both nations are trying to make peace with India and Pakistan at the same time as they sell weapons to the both. Sometimes doing what is morally right is too costly. It's the price they pay for being more powerful than most. Morally corrupt.

a pebble's ripple in the pool.

06-12-2002, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by The Omega Concern:

Case in point: Michael Moore.

...

Once again, as the Religious Left are want to do, they continue to blame everybody but Clinton for the Clinton-Lewinsky scandel. My hunch is that's because they are aware of their condition of Victimology as being largely superficial and thus have to create Bush/Republicans/Religious Right to excuse their failures in proper perception. Considering thier teachers are Stalin, Lenin, Engels, Marx, no wonder.

How was Moore trying to blame anybody for the Lewinsky scandal? From what I have read of his newsletters in the past, he blames no one but Clinton for it. He is criticizing the misuse of government resources that occurred after the scandal became evident. Some people (e.g., Republicans) pushed for an extremely large-scale investigation with the hopes of impeaching Clinton, ruining him politically, and shifting favor towards the republicans. As a result, a strain was put on government resources, such as FBI man power.

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the FBI, like all law enforcement agencies in this country the last 20 years or so, have had to operate under the counter-intuitive notion of racial profiling. A dogma used by the professional Victomologist teaching the soft sciences in colleges and universities all over America.

These people use the Constitution of the United States to undermine partriotism and nationalsim the way Al-Queda and the Taliban use Religion to justify their genocide against the infidels. All they really care about is anarchy and not much else.

There's your Religious Left.

How are the supposed "Religious Left" using the constituion to undermine patriotism? Acording to you, the FBI has been operating under racial profiling (which I agree with). Under racial profiling, an Arab wanting to learn to fly a plane BUT NOT LAND IT would look extremely suspicious, no matter how you look at it. To me, that looks like a big breakdown in common sense.

Go back and watch the X-files, conspiracy boy.

David

06-12-2002, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by if there is a llama:
How are the supposed "Religious Left" using the constituion to undermine patriotism? Acording to you, the FBI has been operating under racial profiling (which I agree with). Under racial profiling, an Arab wanting to learn to fly a plane BUT NOT LAND IT would look extremely suspicious, no matter how you look at it. To me, that looks like a big breakdown in common sense.

Go back and watch the X-files, conspiracy boy.

David

I didn't have the energy to type that, but I wholeheartedly agree.

06-12-2002, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by slunky_munky:
...why should we be bullied into a billion dollar deal for f-16s that we don't really need...

My biggest disappointment around the fact that we didn't buy the F-16's is the fact that our air shows are really lame.

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06-12-2002, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Fonzie:
My biggest disappointment around the fact that we didn't buy the F-16's is the fact that our air shows are really lame.

would you pay a billion to see that?

06-12-2002, 12:37 AM

this is the longest fucking topic I've ever seen.

06-12-2002, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by SPZero:
this is the longest fucking topic I've ever seen.

we're setting a record. join the chat.

06-12-2002, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by kypper:
would you pay a billion to see that?

- Better than paying some 16 year old slapper to have kids on the welfare.

- Better than paying billions to Maori as part of 'Treaty settlements'

- Better than paying billions to house criminals in prisons

...etc.

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06-12-2002, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by Fonzie:
- Better than paying some 16 year old slapper to have kids on the welfare.

- Better than paying billions to Maori as part of 'Treaty settlements'

- Better than paying billions to house criminals in prisons

...etc.

Yeah, but why waste even more money on such shit? Shit replacing shit in the price club isn't exactly a good solution.

06-12-2002, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by The Omega Concern:
blahblahblah

This thread was full of intelligent opinions until you posted here.

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on one thing that ****** said about how it's bull that the U.S. government has the obligation to protect its people ... Samantha quoted from the Declaration of Independence, but I would like to point out that it is indeed somewhere in the Constitution. I can't be bothered to find it, but it's in there.

06-12-2002, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
This thread was full of intelligent opinions until you posted here.

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on one thing that ****** said about how it's bull that the U.S. government has the obligation to protect its people ... Samantha quoted from the Declaration of Independence, but I would like to point out that it is indeed somewhere in the Constitution. I can't be bothered to find it, but it's in there.

I agree with you. I believe that the government is obligated to protect its citizens, if nothing else to guarentee certain unalienable rights.

David

06-12-2002, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by if there is a llama:
I agree with you. I believe that the government is obligated to protect its citizens, if nothing else to guarentee certain unalienable rights.

David

But there you find the odd twist where the government is protecting its citizens under the guise of defending those rights, and yet cuts those same rights from beneath its citizens simultaneously.

06-12-2002, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by Gore is the President:
... once we start making distinct cuts in armaments (which will start once Gore wins the Presidency, again), the rest of the world will look positively on that.

Don't be so sure. The people who are really in power want to make sure that there will always be war, and therefore money to be made off of it. They pull the strings of many people, including whoever happens to be U.S. president. They often basically choose who runs for that position as well.

06-12-2002, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Fonzie:
- Better than paying some 16 year old slapper to have kids on the welfare.

- Better than paying billions to Maori as part of 'Treaty settlements'

- Better than paying billions to house criminals in prisons

...etc.

better than paying under qualified Canadians to run our TV stations http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

06-12-2002, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Mariner:
Don't be so sure. The people who are really in power want to make sure that there will always be war, and therefore money to be made off of it. They pull the strings of many people, including whoever happens to be U.S. president. They often basically choose who runs for that position as well.

Bilderbergers and Trilateral Commission, if I'm not mistaken.

06-12-2002, 01:02 AM

originally posted by llama:

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How was Moore trying to blame anybody for the Lewinsky scandal? From what I have read of his newsletters in the past, he blames no one but Clinton for it.

And once he's done with that he goes on about his Republican bashing. Everthing he views is in the context of making sure his evil view of Republicans is justified...at least that's the way it seems to me. Did those newsletters ever chase the trail of 1000 allegedly stolen FBI files by Hillary Clinton? Just curious.

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Some people (e.g., Republicans) pushed for an extremely large-scale investigation with the hopes of impeaching Clinton, ruining him politically, and shifting favor towards the republicans. As a result, a strain was put on government resources, such as FBI man power.

the blame game: Marx is out of the question. Even Reagan. Oil, Apathy, the Bushy's, Clinton, Republicans, the internet...all that and a stained blue dress. And Moore is a pig what with claiming "how many lives could have been saved?" had FBI agents not been bogged down in the Clinton/Lewinsky thing. Pullleeeeze.

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How are the supposed "Religious Left" using the constituion to undermine patriotism?

There are two case studies going on right now with Johnny Walker and now this guy who got busted in Chicago last month. Check out how those lawyers operate and you have your answer.

Either Bush is using the power of the Oval Office to cover up the Taliban/Bush connection or the connection is one of circustance from Oil issue and either side can spin the perception for their benefit.

Whatever the Truth is is what I will accept. But Im not the one trying to connect the dots on the conspiracy, merely the ones of incrementalism of Karl Marx.

And I can view the Consumeristic/Capatilistic misgivings in the same way as well, but to speak to it would be redundant considering that is the prevailing disposition of about 3/4's of college educators and their influence is evident by many responses in this post.

06-12-2002, 01:06 AM

07Jun02 - Bilderberg 2002 official Press Release and participant list

PRESS RELEASE

BILDERBERG MEETINGS

31 May 2002

The 50th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Chantilly, Virginia, U.S.A., 30 May-2 June 2002. Among other subjects the Conference will discuss Terrorism, Trade, Post Crisis Reconstruction, Middle East, Civil Liberties, US Foreign Policy, Extreme Right, World Economy, Corporate Governance.
Approximately 120 participants from North America and Europe will attend the discussions. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.

Bilderberg takes its name from the hotel in Holland, where the first meeting took place in May 1954. That pioneering meeting grew out of the concern expressed by leading citizens on both sides of the Atlantic that Western Europe and North America were not working as closely as they should on common problems of critical importance. It was felt that regular, off-the-record discussions would help create a better understanding of the complex forces and major trends affecting Western nations in the difficult post war period.
The cold war has now ended. But in practically all respects there are more, not fewer, common problems - from trade to jobs, from monetary policy to investment, from ecological challenges to the task of promoting international security. It is hard to think of any major issue in either Europe or North America whose unilateral solution would not have repercussions for the other.
Thus the concept of a European-American forum has not been overtaken by time. The dialogue between these two regions is still - even increasingly - critical.

What [check out this sentence ;-)] is unique about Bilderberg as a forum is the broad cross-section of leading citizens that are assembled for nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern especially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy; the strong feeling among participants that in view of the differing attitudes and experiences of the Western nations, there remains a clear need to further develop an understanding in which these concerns can be accommodated; the privacy of the meetings, which has no purpose other than to allow participants to speak their minds openly and freely.
In short, Bilderberg is a small flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced.

Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued. Since 1954, forty-nine conferences have been held. The names of the participants are made available to the press. Participants are chosen for their experience, their knowledge, and their standing; all participants attend Bilderberg in a private and not an official capacity.
There are usually about 120 participants of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labor, education, communications.

Participants have agreed not to give interviews to the press during the meeting. In contacts with the news media after the conference it is an established rule [ref. Chatham House Rule] that no attribution should be made to individual participants of what was discussed during the meeting.

There will be no press conference. A list of participants is appended.

STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

BILDERBERG MEETINGS
Chantilly, Virginia, U.S.A.
30 May - 2 June 2002

FINAL LIST OF PARTICIPANTS

Honorary Chairman
Davignon, Etienne
Vice Chairman, Société Générale de Belgique
[please use facilities such as Namebase.org to research these people for me - thanks Tony]

USA Allaire, Paul A. - Former Chairman and CEO, Xerox Corporation

CDN Baillie, A. Charles - Chairman and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group

GB Balls, Edward - Chief Economic Advisor to the Treasury

P Balsemão, Francisco Pinto - Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman of IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.

F Belot, Jean de - Editor-in-Chief, Le Figaro

USA Bergsten, C. Fred - Director, Institute for International Economics

N Bernander, John G. - Director General, Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

CDN Black, Conrad M. - Chairman, Telegraph Group Ltd.

INT Bolkestein, Frits - Commissioner, European Commission

P Borges, António - Vice Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

USA Boyd, Charles G. - President and CEO, Business Executives for National Security

F Castries, Henri de - Chairman of the Board, AXA

E Cebrián, Juan Luis - CEO, Prisa (El Pais)

F Collomb, Bertrand - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge

CH Couchepin, Pascal - Federal Councillor; Head of the Federal Department of Economic Affairs

GB Dahrendorf, Ralf - Member, House of Lords; Former Warden, St. Antony's College, Oxford

USA Dam, Kenneth W. - Deputy Secretary, US Department of Treasury

GR David, George A. - Chairman of the Board, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.

USA David-Weill, Michel A. - Chairman, Lazard Frères & Co.

TR Dervis, Kemal - Minister of Economic Affairs

USA Deutch, John M. - Institute Professor, MIT

USA Dinh, Viet D. Assistant Attorney General for Office of Policy Development

USA Donilon, Thomas E. - Executive Vice President, Fannie Mae

I Draghi, Mario - Vice Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International [Chairman of the Deputies of the Group of Ten, Bank of International Settlements]

USA Eizenstat, Stuart - Covington & Burling

DK Eldrup, Anders - Chairman of the Board of Directors, Danish Oil & Gas Consortium

USA Feldstein, Martin S. - President and CEO, NAtional Bureau of Economic Research

P Ferreira, Elisa Guimarães - Member of Parliament, Former Minister of Planning

USA Foley, Thomas S. - Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld

INT Fortescue, Adrian - Director General, Justice and Internal Affairs, European Commission

CDN Frum, David - American Enterprise Institute; Former Special Assistant to President Bush

F Gergorin, Jean-Louis - Executive Vice President, Strategic Coordination, EADS

USA Gigot, Paul A. - Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal

USA Greenspan, Alan - Chairman, Federal Reserve System

NL Groenink, Rijkman W.J. - Chairman of the Board, ABN AMRO Bank N.V.

A Gusenbauer, Alfred - Member of Parliament; Chairman, Social Democratic Party

NL Halberstadt, Victor - Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings

USA Hills, Carla A. - Chairman and CEO, Hills & Company, International Consultants

USA Hoagland, Jim - Associate Editor, The Washington Post

USA Hubbard, Allan B. - President, E&A Industries

USA Hutchison, Kay Bailey - Senator (Republican, Texas)

B Huyghebaert, Jan - Chairman, Almanij N.V.

D Ischinger, Wolfgang - Ambassador to the US

USA James, Charles A. - Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust

USA Johnson, James A. - Vice Chairman, Perseus, L.L.C.

USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC

USA Kissinger, Henry A. - Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.

NL Kist, Ewald - Chairman of the Board ING N.V.

NL Kleisterlee, Gerard J. - President and CEO, Royal Philips Elecronics

D Kopper, Hilmar - Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG

USA Krauthammer, Charles - Columnist, The Washington Post

USA Kravis, Henry R. - Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.

USA Kravis, Marie-Josée - Senior Fellow - Hudson Institute Inc.

CH Kudelski, André - Chairman of the Board & CEO, Kudelski Group

USA LaFalce, John J. - Congressman (Democrat, New York)

USA Leschly, Jan - Chairman & CEO, Care Capital LLC

F Lévy-Lang, André - Former Chairman, Paribas

B Lippens, Maurice - Chairman, Fortis

USA Mathews, Jessica T. - President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

USA McAuliffe, Terry - Chairman, Democratic National Committee

USA McDonough, William J. - President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York

E Miguel, Ramón de - Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs

USA Mitchell, Andrea - Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondant, NBC News

F Moïsi, Dominique - Deputy Director, French Institute of International Relations

F Montbrial, Thierry de - Director, French Institute of International Relations

USA Moskow, Michael H. - President, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago

N Myklebust, Egil - Chairman, Norsk Hydro ASA

FIN Ollia, Jorma - Chairman of the Board and CEO, Nokia Corporation

TR Özaydinlí, Bulend - CEO, Koç Holding A.S.

INT Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso - Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank

GR Papahelas, Alexis - Foreign policy columnist. TO VIMA

USA Pearl, Frank H. - Chairman and CEO, Perseus, L.L.C.

USA Perle, Richard N. - Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research

D Polenz, Ruprecht - Member of Parliament, CDU/CSU

USA Prestowitz, Jr., Clyde V. - President, Economic Strategy Institute

USA Racicot, Mark - Chairman, Republican National Committee

USA Raines, Franklin D. - Chairman and CEO, Fannie Mae

A Randa, Gerhard - Chairman and CEO, Bank Austria AG

USA Rattner, Steven - Managing Principal, Quadrangle Group LLC

CDN Reisman, Heather - President and CEO, Indigo Books and Music Inc.

USA Rockefeller, David - Member, JP Morgan International Council

E Rodriguez Inciarte, Matías - Executive Vice Chairman, Banco Santander Central Hispano

GB Roll, Eric - Senior Adviser, UBS Warburg Ltd.

USA Rose, Charlie - Producer, Rose Communications

F Roy, Olivier - University Professor and Researcher, CNRS

USA Rumsfeld, Donald H. - Secretary of Defense

TR Sanberk, Özdem - Director, Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation

D Schrempp, Jurgen E. - Chairman of the Board of Management, DaimlerChrysler AG

D Schulz, Ekkehard - Chairman, ThyssenKrupp AG

F Schweitzer, Louis - Chairman and CEO, Renault S.A.

DK Seidenfaden, Tøger - Editor-in-Chief, Politiken

F Seillière, Ernest-Antoine - Chairman and CEO, CGIP

RUS Shevtsova, Lilia - Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center

USA Siegman, Henry - Council on Foreign Relations

USA Soros, George - Chairman, Soros Fund Management

USA Steinberg, James B. - Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies Program

N Stoltenberg, Jens - Leader of the Opposition (Social Democratic Party)

USA Summers, Lawrence H. - President, Harvard University

IRL Sutherland, Peter D. - Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Chairman BP Amoco

FIN Taxell, Christoffer - President and CEO, Partek Oyj

USA Thoman, G. Richard - Senior Advisor, Evercore Partners Inc.

USA Thornton, John L. - President and co-CEO, The Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

FIN Tiilikainen, Teija H. - Director of Research, Centre for European Studies

S Treschow, Michael - Chairman, Ericsson

F Trichet, Jean-Claude - Governor, Banque de France

CH Vasella, Daniel L. - Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG

USA Vink, Lodewijk J. R. de - Chairman, Global Health Care Partners; Credit Suisse First

A Vranitzky, Franz - Former Federal Chancellor

S Wallenberg, Jacob - Chairman of the Board, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken

CDN Whyte, Kenneth - Editor, The National Post

GB Williams, Gareth - Leader, House of Lords; Member of the Cabinet

INT Wolfensohn, James D. - President, The World Bank

D Zumwinkel, Klaus - Chairman of the Board of Management, Deutsche Post AG

06-12-2002, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by The Omega Concern:
And I can view the Consumeristic/Capatilistic misgivings in the same way as well, but to speak to it would be redundant considering that is the prevailing disposition of about 3/4's of college educators and their influence is evident by many responses in this post.

Show me the light and then maybe I won't think you're full of shit. Right now you're simply throwing around Freeman-esque rhetoric with no real justification. I'd argue with you, but there's nothing to argue about because you haven't laid out an argument.

Yes, Moore is an idiot. He makes the left look bad. Don't pick on him. Pick on people who aren't doing the same exact thing that you are right now--making ridiculous blanket assertations.

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06-12-2002, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by slunky_munky:
better than paying under qualified Canadians to run our TV stations http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

D'oh! I missed the most obvious one.

Anyway, we all know that canadians are a cancer on the earth...

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06-12-2002, 01:23 AM

"Europeans know that Israel's military machine is financed by the United States. They know that the planes, tanks and weapons attacking innocent citizens are provided by the United States. While there is no justification for the attacks in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, Europeans know that Palestinians will resist in any way they can.

Because of the unfair Middle East policy of the United States, we Europeans now must be your allies in your war on terrorism.

Americans responded to this with grim faces and shrugs.

The administration had anticipated this barrage and tried to soften it with a peace plan that included an independent Palestinian state. This goes beyond previous U.S. positions, Americans reassured the Europeans, which merely called for Palestinian statehood. The plan was still being drafted as Bilderberg met but they were assured it would be publicly unveiled in July.

Bilderberg celebrated the fact that a global UN tax is 'part of the public dialogue' without a public outcry by 'nationalists.' Alan Keyes, as President Ronald Reagan's UN ambassador, denounced the proposed tax and it has been widely discussed since. "

06-12-2002, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by Enzed:
D'oh! I missed the most obvious one.

Anyway, we all know that canadians are a cancer on the earth...

I'm getting really tired of the Canadian bashing, even if it's all in jest.
We have done NOTHING to earn that kind of shit.

06-12-2002, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by kypper:
07Jun02 - Bilderberg 2002 official Press Release and participant list

PRESS RELEASE

BILDERBERG MEETINGS

So - what has this got to do with anything? A possible target?

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06-12-2002, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by Enzed:

So - what has this got to do with anything? A possible target?

Do some research on the bilderberg organization. Yes, there is substantial evidence to back it up.

06-12-2002, 01:39 AM

Marxist Incrementalism, or any incrementalism, can't be described well without 5,000 to 50,000 words. In short, the education system is wrought with a victimology that seeps into the curriculum year by year to perpetuate the anti-capitalistic/nationalistic view of Marx, et al. The juxtoposition is that its all taught within the consumeristic culture of the United States...that clusterfuck is what the current generation (gen Y, lets say) has been conditioned from.

The point for me is this: Either Bush is the grandest evil conspirator ever or he really is a hokey albiet powerful Texan who suddently finds himself in the midst of these unprecendented times.

You can go further if you want, and say he's merely a pawn and bring in the Bilderberg thing...but I missed that X-Files episode so fill me in.

06-12-2002, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by kypper:
see your previous post.

Hey dickcheese, highlight my previous post

06-12-2002, 05:28 AM

Holy Fucking Shit, 11 pages?

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06-11-2002, 11:42 PM	#334
The Omega Concern Posts: n/a	Actually no. Im still a registered Democrat. I became one when my college buddies got two bucks for each person that registered Democrat. I said I would if I get a buck myself. They agreed. AND THAT is your Democratic party in a nut-shell. I really only care about Truth. And until I see and experience things differently, I stand by my Stalin, Marx, Engels, Lenin assertion of the professional Victimologist.

06-12-2002, 12:37 AM	#340
SPZero Posts: n/a	this is the longest fucking topic I've ever seen.

06-12-2002, 01:06 AM	#351
kypper Posts: n/a	07Jun02 - Bilderberg 2002 official Press Release and participant list PRESS RELEASE BILDERBERG MEETINGS 31 May 2002 The 50th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Chantilly, Virginia, U.S.A., 30 May-2 June 2002. Among other subjects the Conference will discuss Terrorism, Trade, Post Crisis Reconstruction, Middle East, Civil Liberties, US Foreign Policy, Extreme Right, World Economy, Corporate Governance. Approximately 120 participants from North America and Europe will attend the discussions. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion. Bilderberg takes its name from the hotel in Holland, where the first meeting took place in May 1954. That pioneering meeting grew out of the concern expressed by leading citizens on both sides of the Atlantic that Western Europe and North America were not working as closely as they should on common problems of critical importance. It was felt that regular, off-the-record discussions would help create a better understanding of the complex forces and major trends affecting Western nations in the difficult post war period. The cold war has now ended. But in practically all respects there are more, not fewer, common problems - from trade to jobs, from monetary policy to investment, from ecological challenges to the task of promoting international security. It is hard to think of any major issue in either Europe or North America whose unilateral solution would not have repercussions for the other. Thus the concept of a European-American forum has not been overtaken by time. The dialogue between these two regions is still - even increasingly - critical. What [check out this sentence ;-)] is unique about Bilderberg as a forum is the broad cross-section of leading citizens that are assembled for nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern especially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy; the strong feeling among participants that in view of the differing attitudes and experiences of the Western nations, there remains a clear need to further develop an understanding in which these concerns can be accommodated; the privacy of the meetings, which has no purpose other than to allow participants to speak their minds openly and freely. In short, Bilderberg is a small flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced. Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued. Since 1954, forty-nine conferences have been held. The names of the participants are made available to the press. Participants are chosen for their experience, their knowledge, and their standing; all participants attend Bilderberg in a private and not an official capacity. There are usually about 120 participants of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labor, education, communications. Participants have agreed not to give interviews to the press during the meeting. In contacts with the news media after the conference it is an established rule [ref. Chatham House Rule] that no attribution should be made to individual participants of what was discussed during the meeting. There will be no press conference. A list of participants is appended. STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL BILDERBERG MEETINGS Chantilly, Virginia, U.S.A. 30 May - 2 June 2002 FINAL LIST OF PARTICIPANTS Honorary Chairman Davignon, Etienne Vice Chairman, Société Générale de Belgique [please use facilities such as Namebase.org to research these people for me - thanks Tony] USA Allaire, Paul A. - Former Chairman and CEO, Xerox Corporation CDN Baillie, A. Charles - Chairman and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group GB Balls, Edward - Chief Economic Advisor to the Treasury P Balsemão, Francisco Pinto - Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman of IMPRESA, S.G.P.S. F Belot, Jean de - Editor-in-Chief, Le Figaro USA Bergsten, C. Fred - Director, Institute for International Economics N Bernander, John G. - Director General, Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation CDN Black, Conrad M. - Chairman, Telegraph Group Ltd. INT Bolkestein, Frits - Commissioner, European Commission P Borges, António - Vice Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs USA Boyd, Charles G. - President and CEO, Business Executives for National Security F Castries, Henri de - Chairman of the Board, AXA E Cebrián, Juan Luis - CEO, Prisa (El Pais) F Collomb, Bertrand - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge CH Couchepin, Pascal - Federal Councillor; Head of the Federal Department of Economic Affairs GB Dahrendorf, Ralf - Member, House of Lords; Former Warden, St. Antony's College, Oxford USA Dam, Kenneth W. - Deputy Secretary, US Department of Treasury GR David, George A. - Chairman of the Board, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A. USA David-Weill, Michel A. - Chairman, Lazard Frères & Co. TR Dervis, Kemal - Minister of Economic Affairs USA Deutch, John M. - Institute Professor, MIT USA Dinh, Viet D. Assistant Attorney General for Office of Policy Development USA Donilon, Thomas E. - Executive Vice President, Fannie Mae I Draghi, Mario - Vice Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International [Chairman of the Deputies of the Group of Ten, Bank of International Settlements] USA Eizenstat, Stuart - Covington & Burling DK Eldrup, Anders - Chairman of the Board of Directors, Danish Oil & Gas Consortium USA Feldstein, Martin S. - President and CEO, NAtional Bureau of Economic Research P Ferreira, Elisa Guimarães - Member of Parliament, Former Minister of Planning USA Foley, Thomas S. - Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld INT Fortescue, Adrian - Director General, Justice and Internal Affairs, European Commission CDN Frum, David - American Enterprise Institute; Former Special Assistant to President Bush F Gergorin, Jean-Louis - Executive Vice President, Strategic Coordination, EADS USA Gigot, Paul A. - Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal USA Greenspan, Alan - Chairman, Federal Reserve System NL Groenink, Rijkman W.J. - Chairman of the Board, ABN AMRO Bank N.V. A Gusenbauer, Alfred - Member of Parliament; Chairman, Social Democratic Party NL Halberstadt, Victor - Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings USA Hills, Carla A. - Chairman and CEO, Hills & Company, International Consultants USA Hoagland, Jim - Associate Editor, The Washington Post USA Hubbard, Allan B. - President, E&A Industries USA Hutchison, Kay Bailey - Senator (Republican, Texas) B Huyghebaert, Jan - Chairman, Almanij N.V. D Ischinger, Wolfgang - Ambassador to the US USA James, Charles A. - Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust USA Johnson, James A. - Vice Chairman, Perseus, L.L.C. USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC USA Kissinger, Henry A. - Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. NL Kist, Ewald - Chairman of the Board ING N.V. NL Kleisterlee, Gerard J. - President and CEO, Royal Philips Elecronics D Kopper, Hilmar - Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG USA Krauthammer, Charles - Columnist, The Washington Post USA Kravis, Henry R. - Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. USA Kravis, Marie-Josée - Senior Fellow - Hudson Institute Inc. CH Kudelski, André - Chairman of the Board & CEO, Kudelski Group USA LaFalce, John J. - Congressman (Democrat, New York) USA Leschly, Jan - Chairman & CEO, Care Capital LLC F Lévy-Lang, André - Former Chairman, Paribas B Lippens, Maurice - Chairman, Fortis USA Mathews, Jessica T. - President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace USA McAuliffe, Terry - Chairman, Democratic National Committee USA McDonough, William J. - President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York E Miguel, Ramón de - Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs USA Mitchell, Andrea - Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondant, NBC News F Moïsi, Dominique - Deputy Director, French Institute of International Relations F Montbrial, Thierry de - Director, French Institute of International Relations USA Moskow, Michael H. - President, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago N Myklebust, Egil - Chairman, Norsk Hydro ASA FIN Ollia, Jorma - Chairman of the Board and CEO, Nokia Corporation TR Özaydinlí, Bulend - CEO, Koç Holding A.S. INT Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso - Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank GR Papahelas, Alexis - Foreign policy columnist. TO VIMA USA Pearl, Frank H. - Chairman and CEO, Perseus, L.L.C. USA Perle, Richard N. - Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research D Polenz, Ruprecht - Member of Parliament, CDU/CSU USA Prestowitz, Jr., Clyde V. - President, Economic Strategy Institute USA Racicot, Mark - Chairman, Republican National Committee USA Raines, Franklin D. - Chairman and CEO, Fannie Mae A Randa, Gerhard - Chairman and CEO, Bank Austria AG USA Rattner, Steven - Managing Principal, Quadrangle Group LLC CDN Reisman, Heather - President and CEO, Indigo Books and Music Inc. USA Rockefeller, David - Member, JP Morgan International Council E Rodriguez Inciarte, Matías - Executive Vice Chairman, Banco Santander Central Hispano GB Roll, Eric - Senior Adviser, UBS Warburg Ltd. USA Rose, Charlie - Producer, Rose Communications F Roy, Olivier - University Professor and Researcher, CNRS USA Rumsfeld, Donald H. - Secretary of Defense TR Sanberk, Özdem - Director, Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation D Schrempp, Jurgen E. - Chairman of the Board of Management, DaimlerChrysler AG D Schulz, Ekkehard - Chairman, ThyssenKrupp AG F Schweitzer, Louis - Chairman and CEO, Renault S.A. DK Seidenfaden, Tøger - Editor-in-Chief, Politiken F Seillière, Ernest-Antoine - Chairman and CEO, CGIP RUS Shevtsova, Lilia - Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center USA Siegman, Henry - Council on Foreign Relations USA Soros, George - Chairman, Soros Fund Management USA Steinberg, James B. - Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies Program N Stoltenberg, Jens - Leader of the Opposition (Social Democratic Party) USA Summers, Lawrence H. - President, Harvard University IRL Sutherland, Peter D. - Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Chairman BP Amoco FIN Taxell, Christoffer - President and CEO, Partek Oyj USA Thoman, G. Richard - Senior Advisor, Evercore Partners Inc. USA Thornton, John L. - President and co-CEO, The Goldman Sachs Group Inc. FIN Tiilikainen, Teija H. - Director of Research, Centre for European Studies S Treschow, Michael - Chairman, Ericsson F Trichet, Jean-Claude - Governor, Banque de France CH Vasella, Daniel L. - Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG USA Vink, Lodewijk J. R. de - Chairman, Global Health Care Partners; Credit Suisse First A Vranitzky, Franz - Former Federal Chancellor S Wallenberg, Jacob - Chairman of the Board, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken CDN Whyte, Kenneth - Editor, The National Post GB Williams, Gareth - Leader, House of Lords; Member of the Cabinet INT Wolfensohn, James D. - President, The World Bank D Zumwinkel, Klaus - Chairman of the Board of Management, Deutsche Post AG

06-12-2002, 01:23 AM	#354
kypper Posts: n/a	"Europeans know that Israel's military machine is financed by the United States. They know that the planes, tanks and weapons attacking innocent citizens are provided by the United States. While there is no justification for the attacks in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, Europeans know that Palestinians will resist in any way they can. Because of the unfair Middle East policy of the United States, we Europeans now must be your allies in your war on terrorism. Americans responded to this with grim faces and shrugs. The administration had anticipated this barrage and tried to soften it with a peace plan that included an independent Palestinian state. This goes beyond previous U.S. positions, Americans reassured the Europeans, which merely called for Palestinian statehood. The plan was still being drafted as Bilderberg met but they were assured it would be publicly unveiled in July. Bilderberg celebrated the fact that a global UN tax is 'part of the public dialogue' without a public outcry by 'nationalists.' Alan Keyes, as President Ronald Reagan's UN ambassador, denounced the proposed tax and it has been widely discussed since. "

06-12-2002, 01:39 AM	#358
The Omega Concern Posts: n/a	Marxist Incrementalism, or any incrementalism, can't be described well without 5,000 to 50,000 words. In short, the education system is wrought with a victimology that seeps into the curriculum year by year to perpetuate the anti-capitalistic/nationalistic view of Marx, et al. The juxtoposition is that its all taught within the consumeristic culture of the United States...that clusterfuck is what the current generation (gen Y, lets say) has been conditioned from. The point for me is this: Either Bush is the grandest evil conspirator ever or he really is a hokey albiet powerful Texan who suddently finds himself in the midst of these unprecendented times. You can go further if you want, and say he's merely a pawn and bring in the Bilderberg thing...but I missed that X-Files episode so fill me in.

06-12-2002, 05:28 AM	#360
BeautifulLoser Posts: n/a	Holy Fucking Shit, 11 pages? ------------------ AIM: JenniferZero censored25: Dont be sad, Jesus loves your ass