well its a good thing people want to detonate radioactive bombs on the US

Originally posted by if there is a llama:
Would you perfer the British version, which actually talks about life, liberty, and property?

David

I just want the right to live in a free society with a roof over your head and food on your plate so long as you work for it.
That basic aim is dying, although it's being touted mockingly by governments all over the world.

Originally posted by BlueStar:
Yes, of course, a change in social policy is needed. That is happening and will be happening.

Pfff, I'll believe THAT when I see it. Maybe when monkeys fly out of my BUTT

Originally posted by BlueStar:
9/11 was an act of war. You cannot just come onto U.S. soil, kill thousands of U.S. civilians, and not expect to have the shit hit the fan.

No response is going to be perfect.

But the US has caused many many more deaths in other countries, and felt justified in doing so. Where do you draw the line? Besides, how can you declare war against a multinational terrorist group? You can attack a country, but given they're separate from each other, you aren't really meting out justice where it's needed

Originally posted by kypper:
You know, I didn't like you when I first came to Netwhore.
Now... J00 RULEZ, l33t HAX0R!

man, I 607 r007!
It was probably because I thought you were just here to tell people to stop coming on to Desi http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

But you're still a potential terrorist - did you read that section of the PATRIOT ACT where it talks about 'defending the northern border'?! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon11.gif

Originally posted by DeviousJ:
how can you declare war against a multinational terrorist group?

You can.

A non-government entity attacked U.S. civilians on U.S. soil...it was a non-military action...it's just different.

And we'll see more changes to social policy as the war drags on and as more Democrats are elected to Congress.



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Originally posted by DeviousJ:
man, I 607 r007!
It was probably because I thought you were just here to tell people to stop coming on to Desi http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

But you're still a potential terrorist - did you read that section of the PATRIOT ACT where it talks about 'defending the northern border'?! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon11.gif

Ouch my head.
Yeah, I'm reading it now... most of it is fine, but parts are really... ugh.
Especially the definitions relating to terrorism just post.

[This message has been edited by kypper (edited 06-11-2002).]

On a related note, check out Michael Moore's Office of Homeland Security at:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/homeland/homeland.html

Some highlights:

So the CIA knew this, and the FBI knew that. And they did nothing. But THEY will not be part of Bush's new cabinet department for HIS Office of Homeland Security. No, of course not! Why have the two of them stinkin' up the room? And what do THEY have to do with making sure SICKOS DON'T KILL US??!! No, instead, W. is going to whip the Coast Guard and the fruitfly inspectors at Immigration into shape, those lazy bastards! No wonder our lives are still in jeopardy -- it's the out-of-control toll collectors at the Windsor Tunnel! Thank God the FBI and the CIA will be allowed to continue on their own separate paths, kicking the crap outta each other, and answerable to no one. AS IT SHOULD BE!! I mean, where would we be today (and how many may have lived) had the FBI not siphoned off the resources of 200 full-time FBI agents who spent the better part of the late '90s on the Clinton-Lewinsky case -- investigating the national security crisis of how to get a stain out of a blue dress! What if they had been doing their REAL job -- like investigating dip-shit flight training schools in Florida and Texas and SAVING PEOPLE'S LIVES?! What a waste of time! And still, to this day, not a single apology from any Republicans for that costly misdirection of police protection. (You see, if I were to go call 9-1-1 right now and send the cops off to some stupid non-crime scene, I would be arrested. When the Republicans did it, they got the White House.)

Also, the rest of Michael Moore's website is really interesting.

David

Originally posted by DeviousJ:


Now this thread might burn out, and it had so much promise... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif especially for a non-'1000 posts and I post nude pics' thread

If this post gets 1000 replies, I'll post nude pics of geriatric lesbians

Originally posted by if there is a llama:
Also, the rest of Michael Moore's website is really interesting.

CODE PERIWINKLE

Originally posted by BlueStar:
ANZUS (Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.)

I was under the impression that there was no 'NZ' in ANZUS since we disallowed American Nuclear-powered ships into New Zealand Territorial waters back in the 80's because of the 'neither confirm nor deny' policy of the US government.

Since then the US have been very cold to any military training/involvement in training with us.

That what happens when you stand up to the US - you get the cold shoulder.


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Originally posted by Anti-Moan Gestapo:

I was under the impression that there was no 'NZ' in ANZUS since we disallowed American Nuclear-powered ships into New Zealand Territorial waters back in the 80's because of the 'neither confirm nor deny' policy of the US government.

Since then the US have been very cold to any military training/involvement in training with us.

That what happens when you stand up to the US - you get the cold shoulder.

Look at Canada. We've been nice, but of course, it was possible for people to get across the boarder into the USA... even though they trained in the USA... yadda yadda. Just someone to blame and an excuse to be pricks.

Originally posted by Anti-Moan Gestapo:

I was under the impression that there was no 'NZ' in ANZUS since we disallowed American Nuclear-powered ships into New Zealand Territorial waters back in the 80's because of the 'neither confirm nor deny' policy of the US government.

Since then the US have been very cold to any military training/involvement in training with us.

That what happens when you stand up to the US - you get the cold shoulder.

The NZ public overwhelmingly support a nuclear free world. I personally don't but I'm in the minority here. In the 80's NZ fell out with the United States because the US insisted that NZ allow nuclear powered vessels to port in NZ.

New Zealand still offers military support to the US. Mainly medical, aircraft and SAS troops. I don't beleive we have any joint training operations. We fell out again when the US stripped the F-16 deal with Pakistan. We got the F-16 deal at a bargain price but after the deal was informally made we elected a new government that cancelled the deal. That didn't please the US.

Both situations arose out of the NZ public making a political stance or through democratic election. The US now classes NZ as an "friend". We're not "allies".

Helen Clarke visited Washington this year and faced warm welcomes from Bush and Powell where NZ was affirmed as a "friend", but not an "ally". They also thanked us for our SAS troops in Afghansistan. Remember friends, not allies.

There's a quote from a senior US official that goes something like.

"We part company as friends, but we still part company"


It's all bullshit. NZ is an ally with the US. We have differences of opinion, backed by puclic support which the US doesn't approve of.

NZ public don't want nuclear ships here. The US does. NZ pays the price. Fighting for democracy you see.

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
You don't have a fucking clue about what I do. You don't know who I vote for, what my political stance is recorded as on polling day. The associations I'm a member of and the money I donate.

exactly what I hoped you'd say. Newsflash slunky poo... you don't have a fucking clue what all americans are thinking.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
exactly what I hoped you'd say. Newsflash slunky poo... you don't have a fucking clue what all americans are thinking.

Which is why I never said any such thing. Find a quote for me. Or two. Anything where I say something along the lines of "I think Americans think this".

You can't.

You will however see me talking about what America DOES. You see me using the words BUSH, Government, Administration.

On the occassion where I say "America" I mean America as in the American government and the associated aperatus. I don't mean "Americans" despite your attempts to insist that I do.

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
The NZ public overwhelmingly support a nuclear free world. I personally don't but I'm in the minority here. In the 80's NZ fell out with the United States because the US insisted that NZ allow nuclear powered vessels to port in NZ.

new zealand has little power in the worlds rotation. They have nothing to lose nor gain as far as their position in the world so of course they'll be anti nuke. They have no means to carry out successfull nuclear development and progress in a military stance and in the same light they have nothing to protect requiring nuclear power.

Now I know you're gonna get into "America blah blah blah shouldnt need nukes as they shouldnt have that much power blah blah blah" yeah of course we shouldnt need them but until the planet earth is a utopia someone has to have the bigger penis.

Not my personal opinion on the way life should be.... but a simple reality that can't just be switched off.



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Originally posted by slunky_munky:

On the occassion where I say "America" I mean America as in the American government and the associated aperatus. I don't mean "Americans" despite your attempts to insist that I do.

america is a "democracy" (loose term yes i know) and of that you imply motives. You imply this and imply that and blah blah.

can't really play on words anymore slunk.... the world figured that game out with Clinton.

oi, nitpicking.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
you don't have a fucking clue what all americans are thinking.

And you do? You're telling all of us that you know what every american is thinking? Remember, America is a country that is full of people born outside it's borders. What you think and what America thinks may be entirely different things, and just because they may not all think the same as you doesn't make them any less a patriotic citizen.


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Originally posted by Anti-Moan Gestapo:
And you do? You're telling all of us that you know what every american is thinking? Remember, America is a country that is full of people born outside it's borders. What you think and what America thinks may be entirely different things, and just because they may not all think the same as you doesn't make them any less a patriotic citizen.

when have i implied that i do? saying he has no clue what americans think is kind of a "no shit" kinda comment that should be blatantly obvious which led into me stating his implications.

thus also the reason i said "we're a democracy (loose statment i know)" implying there are many different but generaly shared in some form opinions.

my opinions differ far far farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from most americans wayyyyyyyyyyy far. i dont know what people think nor do i care nor do i imply i do know or even imply i give a shit

dunno whose ass you pulled that out of but gimmie some

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i'm moving the hell to canada- that's what i'm doing. i'm really not a fan of plane-bombing my state or of radioactive bombs. that's all i really have to say about all of this.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
dunno whose ass you pulled that out of but gimmie some

Um...I may be getting the wrong idea, but are you asking for Gay Anal sex here?



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Originally posted by melancholia:
i'm moving the hell to canada- that's what i'm doing. i'm really not a fan of plane-bombing my state or of radioactive bombs. that's all i really have to say about all of this.

Canada blows.
Trust me on this.

i'm moving to sweden

Originally posted by Anti-Moan Gestapo:
Um...I may be getting the wrong idea, but are you asking for Gay Anal sex here?

are you offering?

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Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
are you offering?

and the shitting upon the thread begins.

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