friends who kill themselves

Originally posted by If It Feels Good, Do Me:
Uh no...that is not one of the core beliefs of liberalism. But civil liberties is a core belief, and civil liberties means having the right to do with your body as you wish, instead of some authority telling you what you can do with your body.

Yay...Libertarianism. Let's see how far THAT gets the country.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
Yay...Libertarianism. Let's see how far THAT gets the country.

that's a good idea.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
I'm not trying to pidegeonhole

Originally posted by Cerberus:
the message board seems to be overwhelmingly liberal

The pidgeon is well and truely in that hole.

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
that's a good idea.

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif Libertarianism is so shortsighted, it's ridiculous. Basically, if it doesn't affect "anyone else", it should be all right. The problem is, people's actions (read: suicide) affect others whether they like it or not. Subscribing to this narrow-minded belief assuming it's right is very foolhardy.

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Originally posted by slunky_munky:
The pidgeon is well and truely in that hole.

I said the board is "overwhelmingly liberal." I did not say "everyone on this board believes the same way.

Get over it.

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Originally posted by funnygeezus:
so I'M the disease in this situation? fuck that.

You're the one who follows me around bugging me about my damned font color!

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/mad.gif

being that i have been depressed to the point of thinkin about suicide, i kind of understand where these people who do try to kill them self or do kill them self are comming from but over all i think...
..they really just do not exist for a while and come back out and play when the evil monster has gone away.
Most wished that they felt loved in a certain way or other previous to them getting to the point of sucide
Phrases i have heard of why people want to kill themself
-I rather be dead then friendless
-When ever i try to change people just keep pushing me down or i fail. i am tired of trying
-their no God their no point in life their no one that loves me
-Have you ever felt that no one loves you


[This message has been edited by MonteLDS (edited 06-03-2002).]

Originally posted by Cerberus:
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif Libertarianism is so shortsighted, it's ridiculous. Basically, if it doesn't affect "anyone else", it should be all right. The problem is, people's actions (read: suicide) affect others whether they like it or not. Subscribing to this narrow-minded belief assuming it's right is very foolhardy.

it is right. logically. it's just that humans don't act logically, for the most part.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
[b] I said the board is "overwhelmingly liberal." I did not say "everyone on this board believes the same way.
[b]

"Overwhelmingly liberal" means what ? That the majority of people aren't thinking in a similar fashion ? We're talking about a political viewpoint here.


It's like you just said most people here were black and then denied that by saying that everyone's a different shade of black.

hmmm. i don't know. i've wanted to kill myself a lot of times, but i have such a guilt complex..i know it would destroy my parents, and i don't want to be responsible for that. maybe once they're dead. who knows. it's kind of a romantic notion, isn't it?

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
It's like you just said most people here were black and then denied that by saying that everyone's a different shade of black.

Right on. I think Cerberus knows he just fucked up and he's trying to cover up as best he can.

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
"Overwhelmingly liberal" means what ? That the majority of people aren't thinking in a similar fashion ? We're talking about a political viewpoint here.


It's like you just said most people here were black and then denied that by saying that everyone's a different shade of black.

That's like saying that nobody's beliefs are similar to each other.

What you said makes no sense.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
What you said makes no sense.

Exactly, I was highlighting the stupidity in your backpeddling.

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
Exactly, I was highlighting the stupidity in your backpeddling.

I haven't been backpeddling. You just misinterpreted (deliberately, perhaps) what I was trying to convey.

This argument sucks. I'm done. You win, I guess.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
I haven't been backpeddling. You just misinterpreted (deliberately, perhaps) what I was trying to convey.

This argument sucks. I'm done. You win, I guess.

submission.

I've only been back here a week and I'm as strong as ever http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Anyone who's taken even a basic psychology course knows that suicide is utterly selfish. It's a way to solve all of your problems at the expense of the people who care the most about you. How's that not selfish?

Originally posted by Homerpalooza:
Anyone who's taken even a basic psychology course knows that suicide is utterly selfish. It's a way to solve all of your problems at the expense of the people who care the most about you. How's that not selfish?

if they really cared about you, they'd let you end your pain. they're the selfish ones, for demanding that you be alive and be around. i already said that, dipshit.

Originally posted by Homerpalooza:
Anyone who's taken even a basic psychology course knows that suicide is utterly selfish. It's a way to solve all of your problems at the expense of the people who care the most about you. How's that not selfish?

and what if nobody cares about them? eh dumbfuck? lol. gee, didnt think of THAT did we!? ignorant fucking morons...hah.

Originally posted by Matt--:
so my friend rachel didnt call me today, cause we were supposed to go get a root beer float today.
so i called her boyfriends house(where she usually is) only to realize that he just found that she took 20 pills of xanax (strong pain medication).
and she's convulsing on the bed.

this fucking sucks, its always the people that you don't suspect that try to kill themselves.

well, he took her to the hospital, and hopefully everything turns out ok.
but it still sucks.

Fuck that bitch. 20 xanax is a pussy way to off yourself. It's very hard to kill yourself with xanax.

i had a friend try to kill himself once. wasnt a pleasant expierience, although he took down like three cops. im proud of him.

Originally posted by nevermind:

and what if nobody cares about them? eh dumbfuck? lol. gee, didnt think of THAT did we!? ignorant fucking morons...hah.

I'm assuming you're considering suicide yourself?

But you got me, I hadn't counted on the bum who has managed to sever all ties with society. I apologize for the oversight.

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
if they really cared about you, they'd let you end your pain. they're the selfish ones, for demanding that you be alive and be around. i already said that, dipshit.

Letting someone "end their pain" when they're in a delusional, self-loathing, mentally unstable state isn't being a good friend. Nor is it being unselfish. It's just plain being stupid, and it makes you feel EXTREMELY guilty afterwards.

I have a friend who let his best friend kill himself. He ignored all warning signs and just didn't care. Now he's become a complete wreck. Believe me, when you experience something like that firsthand, you'll see it differently.

And yeah, I read what you said before, I was replying to it. Didn't need you to repeat it, dipshit.

suicide is stupid.

There is nothing selfish about suicide. The person trying to end his/her life fully believes that no one around him/her cares and that the people who do care are better without him/her.

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suicide is caused by:
a) disassociation with society
b) over-reliance on individuality
c) seeking to avoid social responsibility

Nothing more or less!
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Originally posted by slunky_munky:
It basically amounts to "don't kill yourself because I'll be unhappy" or "Put up with your pain for me".

and what about all the people who do it for selfish reasons?
i know this person who tried to kill themself coz they had pissed every1 off around them and felt it would get people to pay attention to them again!! some of my friends fell for it, and when they got back from the hospital said they were loving the attention!! they could of died just to get back in favour with others!!!
i didnt want them to die but im not going to feel bad for THIER selfish reasons for trying to kill themselves!!

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
it is right. logically. it's just that humans don't act logically, for the most part.

the fundamental disparity b/w political theory and practice

Somehow, every single one of you who have posted have failed to bring up that suicide is often the result of people that have the "disease" (sometimes I don't agree with it being a disease, but anyway) of depression. Whether it is selfish or not has nothing to do with shit. It's like a cancer rotting your brain out. When I was suicidal (and I know I cannot speak for everyone), I wasn't thinking about myself or anyone else. I was so out of it that death simply seemed like the most reasonable step from where I was at mentally. People who are suicidal often do not have the ability to reason the same way that you people are in this thread.

Originally posted by BlueStar:
There is nothing selfish about suicide. The person trying to end his/her life fully believes that no one around him/her cares and that the people who do care are better without him/her.

Oh yeah, this too.