Why do you think that throughout history, people have disliked the jews?

Originally posted by 13:
Here's a quote by Benjamin Frankling at the Continental Congress to provide a historical and political context of American anti-semitism

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

"For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, they call Palestine. But, Gentlemen, should the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

"If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

"If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them sustenance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, Gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, Gentlemen, are Asiatics; let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots.

"Jews are Asiatics, they are a menace to this country if permitted entrance and should be excluded by this Constitution."

i'm pretty sure that's an urban legend

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
the thing that annoys me most about your objection is the very fact that it's in regards to a jewish issue.

if i had made a thread about Nintendo games and added the tagline "mark le drew, the floor is yours", would that have been offensive?

if we're ever gonna get rid of racism, we need to stop making an issue out of it. i associate suze with Judaism cos she's a Jew. SUZE IS A JEW. it's not a dirty word.

i'm sure she doesn't take offence in being called a jew...so it sure as hell shouldn't bother you
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To my knowledge, Mark Le Drew dosen't elicit the same kind of sick retribution from ill-breds the way Suze's does. So, from my perspective, the insult lies only in the context of the recent threads dedicated to her dishonor, and it's wasn't a reference to identity.

but I did appreciate your little rant on racism, it was really... neat-o. Yes, fight the good fight.

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Originally posted by Samsa:
i'm pretty sure that's an urban legend

if it is, then history is as corrupt as the present, which could very well be the case.


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Originally posted by kypper:

Ok, that's research... 50% there. Try independent thought now (that WAS the most important part).

She can't do it, she never has been able to.


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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
She can't do it, she never has been able to.

Nice to see someone think similarly.
Her research is good, but very one-sided. I would expect the same from Sierra Club members against nuclear energy and Christians against Satanists, though... all one-sided, omitting anything pro the other side completely.

All Suze does is rely on other people's arguements to make her feel like she can't be argued with. Like I've said before, she's a well-read dumbass.

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Originally posted by kypper:
Nice to see someone think similarly.
Her research is good, but very one-sided. I would expect the same from Sierra Club members against nuclear energy and Christians against Satanists, though... all one-sided, omitting anything pro the other side completely.

Oh, give me a break. One-sided? There is barely another side to the argument. Throughout history, Jews have been disliked by just about everybody.

Every single Jewish holiday consists of, "We were persecuted, we survived, lets eat."

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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
All Suze does is rely on other people's arguements to make her feel like she can't be argued with. Like I've said before, she's a well-read dumbass.

what the fuck is your problem, brendan sweeeney. this issue is not a subject of ARGUMENT. one can not ARGUE about whether or not jews have been hated throughout the history of the world. it is a FACT. and i want to post other sources i fucking well can. and i'm not anything close to a 'well-read' dumbass. people LEARN shit from things they read. that's the whole point of learning. you don't learn things by simply sitting in an empty room and trying to figure things out for yourself. that's bullshit.

every fucking fact you regurgitate is something you got from another source. i'm just being a little more honest about where my 'knowlege' comes from.

shawna: not every holiday necessarily. umm, chanukah and purim are like that but they're not major holidays. out of the three major holidays only one is like that: passover and...it's more about redemption and renewal then...well maybe not MORE but definitely as much

umm. you know. sukkot, rosh hashanah, yom kippur, etc, etc, etc, tu bish'vat or yeah. a whole bunch.

Originally posted by kypper:

Nice to see someone think similarly.
Her research is good, but very one-sided. I would expect the same from Sierra Club members against nuclear energy and Christians against Satanists, though... all one-sided, omitting anything pro the other side completely.

okay, what other side is there to this question. people have hated jews because they're evil? because they're bad people? because they deserve it? because they really do eat babies?

no really. i want to know what this 'other side' is that i seem to be incapable of comprehending.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
All Suze does is rely on other people's arguements to make her feel like she can't be argued with. Like I've said before, she's a well-read dumbass.

oh yeah, and i posted my own words on it and got accused of being a babbling idiot that didn't know anything.


i believe in the scapegoat theory? is that wrong? do you want me to come up with my own idea all by my widdle self that makes no sense? you'd rather have an argument that's wrong and your own than have an argument that's right and formulated by someone else? whatever. seriously.

if i posted something on how the universe started am i incapable of independent thought? or am i simplya ffirming that some people know more than i do?

A "well-read dumbass"? Come on, Brendan. Suze is thoughtful and intelligent. I'm disappointed to see you fall in behind the "I Hate Suze For No Reason" crowd. If you're looking to pick on people for being dumb, you could do a lot better than Suze.

Originally posted by TheHappiestBoyInTheWorld:
A "well-read dumbass"? Come on, Brendan. Suze is thoughtful and intelligent. I'm disappointed to see you fall in behind the "I Hate Suze For No Reason" crowd. If you're looking to pick on people for being dumb, you could do a lot better than Suze.

Actually Ian, I hate her for many reasons not the least of which was annoying me on AIM constantly until I blocked her. I'm the one who started the "I HATE SUZE" club, most of these other people are just pretenders. She is intelligent and has the capability to be thoughtful but her posts are so mindless and so scattered that it shows her true laziness. Second, she started multiple "I hate brendan sweeney" posts when I fought with her over Israel's inhumanity towards Palestine. She can't handle it when people argue with her about that subject, and I think that's rather juvenile. Thirdly, she posts enormous cut-and-pasted articles for us to read during arguments which just makes it even harder to understand where she's coming from. Finally, she seems to think still that if they teach a political idea in textbooks it makes it true. She needs to learn how to break those conceptions. I'm being mean to her so that she might do it.

You of all people should know I always have a reason for hating people. I'm disappointed to find out you think that little of me. I'm not surprised, but I am dissappointed.

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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
All Suze does is rely on other people's arguements to make her feel like she can't be argued with. Like I've said before, she's a well-read dumbass.

There's no such thing as independent thought, and anyone contributing under the false belief that it does exist is just drunk on self importance, egotistical, or fucking pathetic. I'd rather read someone's research much more than looking for facts buried under some fag's egotisitcal bragging. Lighten up, you don't have to sweat gravy


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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
Actually Ian, I hate her for many reasons not the least of which was annoying me on AIM constantly until I blocked her. I'm the one who started the "I HATE SUZE" club, most of these other people are just pretenders. She is intelligent and has the capability to be thoughtful but her posts are so mindless and so scattered that it shows her true laziness. Second, she started multiple "I hate brendan sweeney" posts when I fought with her over Israel's inhumanity towards Palestine. She can't handle it when people argue with her about that subject, and I think that's rather juvenile. Thirdly, she posts enormous cut-and-pasted articles for us to read during arguments which just makes it even harder to understand where she's coming from. Finally, she seems to think still that if they teach the idea in textbooks it makes it true. She needs to learn how to break those conceptions. I'm being mean to her so that she might do it.

You of all people should know I always have a reason for hating people. I'm disappointed to find out you think that little of me. I'm not surprised, but I am dissappointed.

for one, i know my greatest flaw is that i get very angry when people say things that i disagree with on a completely basic level. i have very strong feelings for the zionist cause, and,, i dunno. it just pisses me off when people act as if it's wrong.

two, as far as the cut-and-pasting thing goes, i've already told you why you're dumb as far as that goes

three, you really hold a fucking grudge. my grudges tend to last ten minutes. yours seem to last ten years.

four, ian knows me better than you do so you should listen to him when he tells you not to be an idiot :[

Originally posted by Samsa:
every fucking fact you regurgitate is something you got from another source. i'm just being a little more honest about where my 'knowlege' comes from.

All the facts are but not my arguments.

And this post is asking why people hated Jews, and I didn't even read it. I was mostly just talking about your other idiotic threads recently.

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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
All the facts are but not my arguments.

And this post is asking why people hated Jews, and I didn't even read it. I was mostly just talking about your other idiotic threads recently.

ur stupid. not me. remember that.

Originally posted by 13:
There's no such thing as independent thought, and anyone contributing under the false belief that it does exist is just drunk on self importance, egotistical, or fucking pathetic. I'd rather read someone's research much more than looking for facts buried under some fag's egotisitcal bragging. Lighten up, you don't have to sweat gravy

You dipshit, I'm not talking about using "facts" I'm talking about using opinions. But then again, I'm not talking about this thread or even participating in the argument.

Oh and a note on your stupidity, if you take the phrase "independent thought" literally then there's no real hope for you in the first place.

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Originally posted by Samsa:

ur stupid. not me. remember that.

I thought you were leaving?



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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
You dipshit, I'm not talking about using "facts" I'm talking about using opinions. But then again, I'm not talking about this thread or even participating in the argument.

Oh and a note on your stupidity, if you take the phrase "independent thought" literally then there's no real hope for you in the first place.

or maybe you just didn't understand what (s)he said

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
I thought you were leaving?

i told you. i have a bad temper. i've also told julio i'm never talking to him again close to 50 times.

Originally posted by Samsa:
or maybe you just didn't understand what (s)he said

That's probably true. Of course, like most "intellectuals" on this board his point is vague at best.

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Originally posted by Samsa:
i told you. i have a bad temper. i've also told julio i'm never talking to him again close to 50 times.

You can't use "bad temper" as an excuse for anything. Perhaps you should learn to control it.



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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
You can't use "bad temper" as an excuse for anything. Perhaps you should learn to control it.

my bad temper is not an *EXCUSE* for deciding i was never talking to julio again or going to netphoria again. it is a *REASON* jeez. dude. maybe you need a thinking cap. or some vitamin juice. or something.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
You dipshit, I'm not talking about using "facts" I'm talking about using opinions. But then again, I'm not talking about this thread or even participating in the argument.

Oh and a note on your stupidity, if you take the phrase "independent thought" literally then there's no real hope for you in the first place.

I mentioned independent thought only as a reference to your conversation with Kypper, which by the way, is a fucking insightful meeting of the minds. So, way to get sidetracked. Though you decline to contribute anything worthwhile to the thread, you still take it upon yourself to point out the faults of someone else's posting habits? Do you really need that extra boost to your ego? Get a fucking life. Stop underestimating people's contributions... and your health for that matter.

edit- now that the heated moment has passed, I guitily plead to sufferring from a bad temper as well. Though relying on emotion shouldn't hinder communication, since it still conveys information- that being that I dislike you- i should still avoid it since it only distracts the thin skinned.


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