fuck israel

I don't think either are exactly in the right

after WW1, the Ottoman Empire split up and many smaller states were established. One such State, Palestine, was home to many Jewish people, but also was home to many Muslims and other organizations.
After WW2, with Jews fleeing Europe, many more returned to Palestine. The resident (non-Jewish) Palestinians were pissed that so many Jews were coming into their country.
then, in 1947, the UN divided Palestine into 2 sections, Palestine and the state of Israel. Most of the Jewish population that had occupied Palestine moved into Israel. The Palestinians were pissed again that their country had been cut in half and that they only had half of their land. In 1948, Israel, seeking more land, invaded Palestine and then occupied 77% of what was formerly Palestine. then in 1967, Israel again invaded Palestine and annexed the rest of their land, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
however, the UN condemned this act and demanded that Israel return the West bank and the Gaza Strip to Palestine, which it did.
since then they have been uneasy, and the rest of the Arab world has resented an essentially western-type power (Israel).

so basically, I can see why Palestine is pissed

None of you know shit, you're a bunch of fucking kids. Shut up.

yeah


god damnit

Originally posted by relaxor!:
In 1948, Israel, seeking more land, invaded Palestine and then occupied 77% of what was formerly Palestine. then in 1967, Israel again invaded Palestine and annexed the rest of their land, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Wrong. Those wars were instigated by the countries surrounding Israel, as they refused to recognize its existence.

Originally posted by smiling politely:
Wrong. Those wars were instigated by the countries surrounding Israel, as they refused to recognize its existence.

Jordan and Egypt?
You're probably right.
I was trying to remember what I learned 3 years ago in AP Euro, not to be an elitist ass
but you're right

here's something for the not so interllectually enlightened

Idiot's Guide

why don't all the Arab cunts just fuck off to Jordan? wankers

Originally posted by your skies are mine:
here's something for the not so interllectually enlightened

Idiot's Guide

why don't all the Arab cunts just fuck off to Jordan? wankers

Christ, that title couldn't be any more accurate. Did you actually *read* that page? So much for an unbiased view of the situation - I think it's time for some quotes:

"PALESTINE"

"If someone can explain to me how "expansionist Israel" has "taken over" the Middle East, please email me! The Arab countries occupy 640 times the land mass as does Israel and outnumber the Jews of Israel by nearly fifty to one. So much for Arab propaganda!"

"the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out."

"The battle cry heard throughout the Arab world was then, as it continues to be... "Slaughter the Jews" and "Throw the Jews into the sea!" "

"From a frightened and defeated enemy, these "Palestinian" Arabs under Israel's jurisdiction turned into a confident, hateful and dangerous enemy now on their way toward forming a terrorist state determined to destroy Israel!"

"But the Jews (I hate to admit) had this insane obsession of wanting the world to love them and thus were willing to give back the entire Sinai "

" By remaining an "occupier," Israel was set up for a campaign of vicious propaganda, the scope and intensity of which the world has never before seen!"

Answer me this - if Israel is right, in its occupation of Palestine (and its treatment of the Arab population in those territories), then why are there groups of Jews protesting the actions of Israel, and uniting with Palestinians in a show of unity?

this was pretty eye-opening for me (if its accurate? i have nothing else for balance, sorry).

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/myths.html

written by an Arab-American journalist.

That Idiot's Guide is soulless propaganda, nothing more.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
That Idiot's Guide is soulless propaganda, nothing more.

Yeah wish we had more rounded sources like european media!

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
Yeah wish we had more rounded sources like european media!

What was that phrase again? Oh yeah, not burn

Originally posted by NegaBenji:
What was that phrase again? Oh yeah, not burn

about as funny as a miscarriage there bud

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
about as funny as a miscarriage there bud

I wasn't trying to be funny.

Originally posted by NegaBenji:
I wasn't trying to be funny.

Right... and the purpose of sarcasm is?

Burn jews.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
That Idiot's Guide is soulless propaganda, nothing more.

the real question is which propaganda do you believe? from the jews or the muslims? It would be pretty naive to not realize that the muslims have their propaganda machine on overdrive.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
Yeah wish we had more rounded sources like european media!

Spare me.

And yes, the Palestinian side isn't much better; still, though, I'm going to be more derisive towards the Israeli bias simply because their propaganda--not their legitimate gripings, of which there are many, but their propaganda--is far more prevalent in the Western world.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
Spare me.

And yes, the Palestinian side isn't much better; still, though, I'm going to be more derisive towards the Israeli bias simply because their propaganda--not their legitimate gripings, of which there are many, but their propaganda--is far more prevalent in the Western world.

so let me get this straight... because you see more Israeli propaganda as compared to Palestinian propaganda then you are against Israel? I think that is the textbook definition of what many of us call a sheep.

The American television industry is dominated by Jewish persons.... the fact that you would even remotely look for an unbiased view "in the western world" is hillarious. That's like looking for someone in the Arab world to say "go israel"

I now drunk, I've just got in from the pub, so here's my "drunk" view on things -

bollocks, fuck it, your'e a Jew, you're an Arab, fuck it and just have beer you whinging cunts http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

human beings huh? tossers

Originally posted by jenny4ever:
israel has killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Palestinians than palestinians have killed israelis.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

You're the first person ever to deny that israelites have killed more palestinians than palestinians have killed israelites. Luckily, as usual, you have no facts and are easily handled.

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PhantomFM

Originally posted by PhantomFM:
You're the first person ever to deny that israelites have killed more palestinians than palestinians have killed israelites. Luckily, as usual, you have no facts and are easily handled.

way more? do you realise how long the history of israel vs palestine has gone on? fucking dolt

Originally posted by Debaser:
this was pretty eye-opening for me (if its accurate? i have nothing else for balance, sorry).

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/myths.html

written by an Arab-American journalist.

that link is the biggest load of crap i've read in a while. wtf? no palestinian language? is he stupid or something? no palestinian culture?

actually, it's quite funny to read shit like this. however, it's sad at the same time.

Originally posted by PkPhuoko:
way more? do you realise how long the history of israel vs palestine has gone on? fucking dolt

thousands of years. obviously we're talking post 1967, yet I'm interested to see if you can produce a statistic that says anything different including pre '67.

Since you've already used your first 2 favorite oneliners, bwaha and fucking dolt, i eagerly await an equally asinine response followed by you're third favorite, gwan.

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PhantomFM

Originally posted by PhantomFM:
thousands of years. obviously we're talking post 1967, yet I'm interested to see if you can produce a statistic that says anything different including pre '67.

Since you've already used your first 2 favorite oneliners, bwaha and fucking dolt, i eagerly await an equally asinine response followed by you're third favorite, gwan.

ummm you obviously dont know what gwan means... its not descriptive

Originally posted by ZERO:
that link is the biggest load of crap i've read in a while. wtf? no palestinian language? is he stupid or something? no palestinian culture?

actually, it's quite funny to read shit like this. however, it's sad at the same time.

so are you saying there is? he's just making a point that Palestines are indistingishable from the Arabs from the neighboring countries, to counter their arguement that the Palestines are trying to reclaim their homeland (which the writer suggests there is no islamic homeland there because there was never a real Palestine created by Muslims in the first place). Seriously, I want to read the other side of this. Do you have any resources about the ancient history of Palestine (which the writer suggested there is none)?

yack yack yack
fucking kids

Originally posted by Best Looking Boy:
yack yack yack
fucking kids

you might as well add *** to you sig cuz that pretty much sums up 99% of your posts.

But that whole semantic argument over whether Palestine was a true country, and whether it has distinct culture is pointless. The point is, a group of people (known as Palestinians) lived in a certain area (called Palestine) until Israel formed a state (with international blessing) in a section of that region. Now, Israel is continually expanding its borders into that region (known as Palestine), forcing the people who live there (Palestinians) to move away from their homes, denying the people (Palestinians) basic rights, and generally making their life hell. It's not dissimilar to East Germany back in the Cold War era. The distinction is that Palestinian Jews (ie Jews who live in the region known as Palestine, not Israel) do not suffer the same treatment by the Israeli forces, only those Arabs known as Palestinians. Which is why the terms Palestine and Palestinians are useful terms, regardless of historical recognition. Notwithstanding the fact that Palestine was supposed to become a sovereign state as part of the UN agreement, which would be about as official a recognition as you can get.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
Spare me.

And yes, the Palestinian side isn't much better; still, though, I'm going to be more derisive towards the Israeli bias simply because their propaganda--not their legitimate gripings, of which there are many, but their propaganda--is far more prevalent in the Western world.

"the palestinian side isn't much better" <---you're right, it's not much better. it's like a billion times worse. and a billion times more prevalent at that.

Originally posted by NegaBenji:
But that whole semantic argument over whether Palestine was a true country, and whether it has distinct culture is pointless. The point is, a group of people (known as Palestinians) lived in a certain area (called Palestine) until Israel formed a state (with international blessing) in a section of that region. Now, Israel is continually expanding its borders into that region (known as Palestine), forcing the people who live there (Palestinians) to move away from their homes, denying the people (Palestinians) basic rights, and generally making their life hell. It's not dissimilar to East Germany back in the Cold War era. The distinction is that Palestinian Jews (ie Jews who live in the region known as Palestine, not Israel) do not suffer the same treatment by the Israeli forces, only those Arabs known as Palestinians. Which is why the terms Palestine and Palestinians are useful terms, regardless of historical recognition. Notwithstanding the fact that Palestine was supposed to become a sovereign state as part of the UN agreement, which would be about as official a recognition as you can get.

What about the idiot guide pointing out the Palestine was originally the entire area of what is now Israel and Jordan? If you consider that, then the Jews have less than 25% of Palestine. Are the Jews not allowed to even keep this small area of Palestine? I do feel bad for all the mistreatment and injustice done to the Israel-Arab citizens. But looking at the big picture, the fact that the Arab leaders still balked at peace proposals in which Israel was willing to hand over almost 90% of the disputed lands, I have doubts about the true motives of the Arab leaders of whether they want to restore the palestinians to their homeland (of which they already have over 75%) or really do they just want to expell the jews from the middle east entirely.