significance of the month or person June to Billy

silent_brian13 · 08-05-2007, 03:17 PM

he mentions june every once in awhile throughout his music...
maybe i missed the thread on why..any help?

i_adore_adore · 08-05-2007, 04:04 PM

I've been wondering this, too. I've come to the conclusion that since my sister's birthday is in June, Billy keeps using "June" as a way to let me know he wants to marry me. That's probably your best bet.

But in all seriousness, I've wondered this as well. I have no idea.

j u n e · 08-05-2007, 04:07 PM

gay thread.

Cool As Ice Cream · 08-05-2007, 04:09 PM

you guys don't have a fucking clue.

i_adore_adore · 08-05-2007, 04:12 PM

you're doggone right we don't.

Cool As Ice Cream · 08-05-2007, 04:13 PM

L O L

exactlythesame · 08-05-2007, 04:15 PM

First off, June is one of the first and most basic words to rhyme.

Also, I remember Corgan stating somewhere that he was constantly renaming his 'perfect' woman -- June, Ava, Sheila, Daphne, Lily, etc... I'm sure there's more.

To quote Muzzle:

"Have you ever heard the words I'm singing in these songs?
They're for the girl I've loved all along"

Cool As Ice Cream · 08-05-2007, 04:16 PM

some of those names are definitely not his perfect woman.

exactlythesame · 08-05-2007, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

some of those names are definitely not his perfect woman.

Ideal woman, then.

Corgan can't be picky, nowadays.

Cool As Ice Cream · 08-05-2007, 04:18 PM

you don't have a fucking clue.

exactlythesame · 08-05-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

you don't have a fucking clue.

I can already see Hummer26's signature:

"Cool As Ice Cream - I don't have a fucking clue."

duovamp · 08-05-2007, 04:43 PM

It's been floating around from the past, but it's a fun topic to discuss. The use of June in Billy's songs can be seen in many different ways, all of which are sensible and leave it within reason for him to make use of the word repeatedly.

First of all we need to look at June as a word. It's 1 syllable and can fit in many places. It does rhyme easily, true. But best of all is its diction. It has a long "oo" sound to it, which is calming and soothing. This fits perfectly with its meaning as a month, or time of the year. Now, as far as June as a month goes, June marks the beginning of Summer. Summer's always viewed as the season of warmth and rest. For some June's when school ends, which is clearly going to be an enjoyable time for many. He also uses it because it can function as a name. That it can function as a name means it has three reasons, and that it has three reasons for use can be considered a fourth reason, that being that it has so many different positive qualities as a word for songwriting. But as far as a name goes, when he says "Bye June" it can mean both goodbye to a person and farewell to a time, perhaps a time that has very specific meaning to him. "Bye June" can mean the bidding goodbye to a month as a representation of a time in one's life. June happens in the middle of the life, so he could be saying goodbye to a time where someone sees their end coming and they're ready to accept it and move on. "See you in June" could mean something as simple as "We'll be apart but we'll be together when school's out" or "When the Summer arrives and the Sun's high we'll be brought together again" and even "I'll see you when I feel good again" because he likes June. Every song's use could be completely different, a different purpose and meaning assigned to June each time. But yes he uses June frequently and he uses it well. He, either consciously or subconsciously, recognizes that it has excellent diction and is a multi-purpose word, and for this he uses it in his poetry as he pleases. It could come down to something as simple as he just really loves the month or it fits easily into rhyme, and it could be a thousand times more complex. I haven't pulled any quotes from him about it thus far, so if anybody wants to add, go ahead. I hope people don't give him shit about it because I'd think it's a word that means more to him than we'll know.

exactlythesame · 08-05-2007, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duovamp

It's been floating around from the past, but it's a fun topic to discuss. The use of June in Billy's songs can be seen in many different ways, all of which are sensible and leave it within reason for him to make use of the word repeatedly.

First of all we need to look at June as a word. It's 1 syllable and can fit in many places. It does rhyme easily, true. But best of all is its diction. It has a long "oo" sound to it, which is calming and soothing. This fits perfectly with its meaning as a month, or time of the year. Now, as far as June as a month goes, June marks the beginning of Summer. Summer's always viewed as the season of warmth and rest. For some June's when school ends, which is clearly going to be an enjoyable time for many. He also uses it because it can function as a name. That it can function as a name means it has three reasons, and that it has three reasons for use can be considered a fourth reason, that being that it has so many different positive qualities as a word for songwriting. But as far as a name goes, when he says "Bye June" it can mean both goodbye to a person and farewell to a time, perhaps a time that has very specific meaning to him. "Bye June" can mean the bidding goodbye to a month as a representation of a time in one's life. June happens in the middle of the life, so he could be saying goodbye to a time where someone sees their end coming and they're ready to accept it and move on. "See you in June" could mean something as simple as "We'll be apart but we'll be together when school's out" or "When the Summer arrives and the Sun's high we'll be brought together again" and even "I'll see you when I feel good again" because he likes June. Every song's use could be completely different, a different purpose and meaning assigned to June each time. But yes he uses June frequently and he uses it well. He, either consciously or subconsciously, recognizes that it has excellent diction and is a multi-purpose word, and for this he uses it in his poetry as he pleases. It could come down to something as simple as he just really loves the month or it fits easily into rhyme, and it could be a thousand times more complex. I haven't pulled any quotes from him about it thus far, so if anybody wants to add, go ahead. I hope people don't give him shit about it because I'd think it's a word that means more to him than we'll know.

Too long; read anyway.

mickyshambles · 08-05-2007, 04:46 PM

Why does Billy tend to use the word "on" a lot?

waltermcphilp · 08-05-2007, 04:46 PM

lol, wut?

Deadeyes · 08-05-2007, 04:48 PM

I hear the moon is quite pleasant in June.

i_adore_adore · 08-05-2007, 04:53 PM

I hear the tune smells like a loon.

exactlythesame · 08-05-2007, 04:56 PM

Has anyone else noticed that Corgan adds "for you" onto a lot of his lyrics?

i_adore_adore · 08-05-2007, 05:20 PM

now that you mention it... yeah.

Thanks Billy! For me?!

Steve Holt · 08-05-2007, 05:23 PM

for you is the new june.

Iridescent · 08-05-2007, 05:27 PM

I always thought June was Chris

Lyric · 08-05-2007, 09:00 PM

this thread is hillarious.....

icecream is right.... no idea.

smashkin33 · 08-05-2007, 09:15 PM

This subject has been discussed for years & years & years & years.

My questions is, where are the female referances (specificaly names) in Zeitgeist. Yeah, I am sure they're there, but it hurts to think.

exactlythesame · 08-05-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashkin33

This subject has been discussed for years & years & years & years.

My questions is, where are the female referances (specificaly names) in Zeitgeist. Yeah, I am sure they're there, but it hurts to think.

Baby

smashkin33 · 08-05-2007, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exactlythesame

Baby

"nobody puts baby int he corner" -patrick swazy, dirty dancing

Pug Superstar · 08-05-2007, 09:44 PM

I don't know but I think that VH1 should use Billy in "Rock of Love" Season 2 and only cast girls with the names June, Ruby, Ava, Lily, Daphne and Sheila.

descend0 · 08-05-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashkin33

This subject has been discussed for years & years & years & years.

My questions is, where are the female referances (specificaly names) in Zeitgeist. Yeah, I am sure they're there, but it hurts to think.

I second whatever this guy says. I'm finding myself disassociated with this album becasue of the lack of a strong feminine pressence or love interest, but not disapointed that we didn't have to think about June again.

smashkin33 · 08-05-2007, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by descend0

I second whatever this guy says. I'm finding myself disassociated with this album becasue of the lack of a strong feminine pressence or love interest, but not disapointed that we didn't have to think about June again.

for the record, i'm not a guy.
but i won't yell at you about this, because you're new.

StarErrin · 08-06-2007, 12:21 AM

lmfao

schmokes · 08-06-2007, 02:00 PM

June is the 6th month of the year...There is also 6 letters in Billy's last name, Corgan...Corgan starts with a C, which is the 3rd letter in the alphabet. The 3rd month of the year is March. The word "March" has 5 letters in it. The 5th letter in Billy's last name is A. A is the first letter in the word "Apple", which just happens to be one of Billy's top 10 fruits. The word "Fruit" starts with an "F", which is the 6th letter of the alphabet..and of course, June is the 6th month.

It comes full circle...so June is the perfect month...that's why Billy sings about it so much!

08-05-2007, 03:17 PM	#1
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08-05-2007, 04:04 PM	#2
i_adore_adore Apocalyptic Poster Location: IL Posts: 3,559	I've been wondering this, too. I've come to the conclusion that since my sister's birthday is in June, Billy keeps using "June" as a way to let me know he wants to marry me. That's probably your best bet. But in all seriousness, I've wondered this as well. I have no idea.

08-05-2007, 04:07 PM	#3
j u n e Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,717	gay thread.

08-05-2007, 04:09 PM	#4
Cool As Ice Cream Immortal Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 20,382	you guys don't have a fucking clue.

08-05-2007, 04:12 PM	#5
i_adore_adore Apocalyptic Poster Location: IL Posts: 3,559	you're doggone right we don't.

08-05-2007, 04:13 PM	#6
Cool As Ice Cream Immortal Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 20,382	L O L

08-05-2007, 04:15 PM	#7
exactlythesame Minion of Satan Location: I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes Posts: 7,686	First off, June is one of the first and most basic words to rhyme. Also, I remember Corgan stating somewhere that he was constantly renaming his 'perfect' woman -- June, Ava, Sheila, Daphne, Lily, etc... I'm sure there's more. To quote Muzzle: "Have you ever heard the words I'm singing in these songs? They're for the girl I've loved all along"

08-05-2007, 04:16 PM	#8
Cool As Ice Cream Immortal Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 20,382	some of those names are definitely not his perfect woman.

08-05-2007, 04:18 PM	#10
Cool As Ice Cream Immortal Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 20,382	you don't have a fucking clue.

08-05-2007, 04:43 PM	#12
duovamp Immortal Location: trawling Atlantis (◕‿◕✿) Posts: 29,004	It's been floating around from the past, but it's a fun topic to discuss. The use of June in Billy's songs can be seen in many different ways, all of which are sensible and leave it within reason for him to make use of the word repeatedly. First of all we need to look at June as a word. It's 1 syllable and can fit in many places. It does rhyme easily, true. But best of all is its diction. It has a long "oo" sound to it, which is calming and soothing. This fits perfectly with its meaning as a month, or time of the year. Now, as far as June as a month goes, June marks the beginning of Summer. Summer's always viewed as the season of warmth and rest. For some June's when school ends, which is clearly going to be an enjoyable time for many. He also uses it because it can function as a name. That it can function as a name means it has three reasons, and that it has three reasons for use can be considered a fourth reason, that being that it has so many different positive qualities as a word for songwriting. But as far as a name goes, when he says "Bye June" it can mean both goodbye to a person and farewell to a time, perhaps a time that has very specific meaning to him. "Bye June" can mean the bidding goodbye to a month as a representation of a time in one's life. June happens in the middle of the life, so he could be saying goodbye to a time where someone sees their end coming and they're ready to accept it and move on. "See you in June" could mean something as simple as "We'll be apart but we'll be together when school's out" or "When the Summer arrives and the Sun's high we'll be brought together again" and even "I'll see you when I feel good again" because he likes June. Every song's use could be completely different, a different purpose and meaning assigned to June each time. But yes he uses June frequently and he uses it well. He, either consciously or subconsciously, recognizes that it has excellent diction and is a multi-purpose word, and for this he uses it in his poetry as he pleases. It could come down to something as simple as he just really loves the month or it fits easily into rhyme, and it could be a thousand times more complex. I haven't pulled any quotes from him about it thus far, so if anybody wants to add, go ahead. I hope people don't give him shit about it because I'd think it's a word that means more to him than we'll know.

08-05-2007, 04:46 PM	#14
mickyshambles Apocalyptic Poster Location: London, England. Posts: 3,780	Why does Billy tend to use the word "on" a lot?

08-05-2007, 04:46 PM	#15
waltermcphilp Socialphobic Location: I DO C-C-C-COCAINE Posts: 11,156	lol, wut?

08-05-2007, 04:48 PM	#16
Deadeyes Apocalyptic Poster Location: Robot Factory Posts: 1,499	I hear the moon is quite pleasant in June.

08-05-2007, 04:53 PM	#17
i_adore_adore Apocalyptic Poster Location: IL Posts: 3,559	I hear the tune smells like a loon.

08-05-2007, 04:56 PM	#18
exactlythesame Minion of Satan Location: I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes Posts: 7,686	Has anyone else noticed that Corgan adds "for you" onto a lot of his lyrics?

08-05-2007, 05:20 PM	#19
i_adore_adore Apocalyptic Poster Location: IL Posts: 3,559	now that you mention it... yeah. Thanks Billy! For me?!

08-05-2007, 05:23 PM	#20
Steve Holt Demi-God Location: I'm Darth Nihilus Posts: 465	for you is the new june.

08-05-2007, 05:27 PM	#21
Iridescent Pledge Location: chicago, IL Posts: 73	I always thought June was Chris

08-05-2007, 09:00 PM	#22
Lyric To Be Continued... Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 425	this thread is hillarious..... icecream is right.... no idea.

08-05-2007, 09:15 PM	#23
smashkin33 Apocalyptic Poster Location: burned into your retina Posts: 3,151	This subject has been discussed for years & years & years & years. My questions is, where are the female referances (specificaly names) in Zeitgeist. Yeah, I am sure they're there, but it hurts to think.

08-05-2007, 09:44 PM	#26
Pug Superstar Demi-God Location: A thousand smiles away Posts: 293	I don't know but I think that VH1 should use Billy in "Rock of Love" Season 2 and only cast girls with the names June, Ruby, Ava, Lily, Daphne and Sheila.

08-06-2007, 12:21 AM	#29
StarErrin Pledge Location: Toronto Posts: 185	lmfao

08-06-2007, 02:00 PM	#30
schmokes Demi-God Location: Eye Lasers Posts: 280	June is the 6th month of the year...There is also 6 letters in Billy's last name, Corgan...Corgan starts with a C, which is the 3rd letter in the alphabet. The 3rd month of the year is March. The word "March" has 5 letters in it. The 5th letter in Billy's last name is A. A is the first letter in the word "Apple", which just happens to be one of Billy's top 10 fruits. The word "Fruit" starts with an "F", which is the 6th letter of the alphabet..and of course, June is the 6th month. It comes full circle...so June is the perfect month...that's why Billy sings about it so much!