What about Middle-aged Angst?!?! Do you not care anymore Billy? Making a difference?!

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 07:22 PM

Teenage angst is bullshit. I'm more pissed off now that I was then because my anger is real now. Then I was confused, drug-addled, spoiled by my parents, bored, etc... yes, but c'mon... living in the real world on your own trying to make it by yourself. Building a life for yourself, your partner, maybe kids... THAT'S THE FUCKIN HARD SHIT. And you've gone through this already... is there not more shit to go through? Are you done now? Everything is fine? Well then make soft, beautiful records like Djali Zwan or the Chicago Songs... don't try to pass Zeitgeist off as HARD or "Metal"... its not fooling anyone when you sing like you're half asleep and it was a first take that was "okay" but you're fine with!

WHY DOESN'T BILLY SEEM TO BE PISSED OFF ANYMORE? FUCK THAT "HE'S FOUND PEACE" "HE'S RICH" BULLSHIT. DON'T GIVE ME THAT NONSENSE EXCUSE.

Why don't you stop trying to sing properly and fuckin' belt out the goddamn song?!?!?!? Do you not fuckin' care anymore? Is it just "fun and games"? cuz I'll tell you this... you got more inside of you than you're showing us right now.

YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? MAKE BETTER RECORDS! PEOPLE WILL CARE AGAIN!!! THEY'LL LISTEN TO YOU AND YOU WON'T HATE THE RECORD INDUSTRY ANYMORE!

Doomsday Clock is good, but Billy and Jimmy are BETTER THAN GOOD. I don't care if you're 40 fuckin' years old! You can't afford a personal trainer? A vocal therapist? Fuckin' massages everyday? You ARE fuckin' rich man! Use it for good fuckin' uses! Like rockin' the goddamn world!

I had to get that off my chest. So far, I'm glad they're back, but I expect them to get better or they'll be a nostaglia act; nothing else. Which is a shame because they obviously have the talent to school motherfuckers left and right!

hnibos · 06-20-2007, 07:32 PM

hmm, maybe by the next album he will have reached mid age crisis

Effloresce · 06-20-2007, 07:33 PM

how many of these fucking threads are we going to have

Sam Vimes · 06-20-2007, 07:37 PM

Corgan Rules to thread.

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Well, if you're pissed off, you should be able to voice it. How many replies are going to be worthless like yours? "How many threads are we going to have like this blah blah blah pathetic worthless I am having nothing better to say." Shut the fuck up!

whiteskwirl · 06-20-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Vimes

Corgan Rules to thread.

Oh yes, please.

telex · 06-20-2007, 07:43 PM

well, it's true that being forty years old isn't exactly an excuse to be less passionate or to become emotionally vacant. smashing pumpkins music made by twenty-eight year olds will appeal to me when i am twenty-eight, but i doubt that this music made by forty year olds will appeal to me when i am forty. if anything, billy is already experiencing a midlife crisis. he wasted his thirties involving himself in doomed projects and now he regrets breaking up smashing pumpkins, so he's trying to return to that place. it's too bad because the result is an inability to evolve.

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by telex

well, it's true that being forty years old isn't exactly an excuse to be less passionate or to become emotionally vacant. smashing pumpkins music made by twenty-eight year olds will appeal to me when i am twenty-eight, but i doubt that this music made by forty year olds will appeal to me when i am forty. if anything, billy is already experiencing a midlife crisis. he wasted his thirties involving himself in doomed projects and now he regrets breaking up smashing pumpkins, so he's trying to return to that place. it's too bad because the result is an inability to evolve.

See! There's an intelligent reply. Thank you. You made sense and many other people will read what you wrote and identify with it; maybe agree, maybe disagree, but it will mean something to others.

I agree with what you said and hopefully Billy and Jimmy realize this while the Zeitgeist Era starts to wrap-up... maybe giving way to a different path for the next record?

whiteskwirl · 06-20-2007, 07:50 PM

i thought he was evolving with Zwan. Too bad he didn't stick with it, because I really liked Zwan.

SlingeroGuitaro · 06-20-2007, 07:51 PM

erectile dysfunction is, indeed, something to bitch about.

slunken · 06-20-2007, 07:55 PM

sweetanthony you are the one being schooled in all this...yes, billy and jimmy are all grown up now...tarantula and doomsday clock are amazing in my opinion...they fall perfectly in line with the lineage of pumpkins' sound...and the fact that the album is just billy and jimmy jamming...if you don't like the new stuff more than likely you prefer nothing after MCIS...

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingeroGuitaro

erectile dysfunction is, indeed, something to bitch about.

So explain how exactly that is affecting you... must be hard to deal with, eh?

morecowbell · 06-20-2007, 07:59 PM

does no one note the irony?

"they're bound to kill us all, in white washed halls, the jackals lick their balls," hmm, sounds like everything's copasetic

teenage angst = idealistic anger
lackluster vocals = realistic hopelessness

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

sweetanthony you are the one being schooled in all this...yes, billy and jimmy are all grown up now...tarantula and doomsday clock are amazing in my opinion...they fall perfectly in line with the lineage of pumpkins' sound...and the fact that the album is just billy and jimmy jamming...if you don't like the new stuff more than likely you prefer nothing after MCIS...

Why would me not liking the laziness of Doomsday Clock and sloppiness of Tarantula, mixed with emotionless vocals from Billy have anything to do with the music they made from Adore til now? Please explain that! Ha, that's ridiculous the more I think of it.

I was one of the first people here to really speak on the fact that Billy and Jimmy should make a record just the two of them. I really have to listen to Zeitgeist from beginning to end to really know it and where they're at now, but what I'm saying is that the intensity seems lost and a lazy careless nature is being emitted from the band in a live setting and now in their studio recordings.

I think the new songs I've heard from the studio are GOOD, but I don't think they're the best they could do.... if they are then I am saddened to say their age is too much for them to overcome OR they just don't fuckin' care! Which to that I say don't try to trick us or yourselves into thinking you rock; write mature, soft, and beautiful songs like Djali and Chicago songs. Those were DYNAMIC.

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morecowbell

does no one note the irony?

"they're bound to kill us all, in white washed halls, the jackals lick their balls," hmm, sounds like everything's copasetic

teenage angst = idealistic anger
lackluster vocals = realistic hopelessness

did you really think he sings "BALLS"? HA! its PAWS, not balls.

slunken · 06-20-2007, 08:07 PM

oh, i see your point...

but playing rock (with Jimmy, no doubt) HAS to be a lot of fun!

I think for the time he's making the best out of a bad situation.

morecowbell · 06-20-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetanthony

did you really think he sings "BALLS"? HA! its PAWS, not balls.

no, but it's a lot funnier that way, and it really sounds like it. also, in the live version, didn't it sound like "at sexy time, no one survives"

sweetanthony · 06-20-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by morecowbell

no, but it's a lot funnier that way, and it really sounds like it. also, in the live version, didn't it sound like "at sexy time, no one survives"

Yeah, cuz at sexy time, everyone gets fucked!

SlingeroGuitaro · 06-20-2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morecowbell

no, but it's a lot funnier that way, and it really sounds like it. also, in the live version, didn't it sound like "at sexy time, no one survives"

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06-20-2007, 07:22 PM	#1
sweetanthony Ownz Location: under a rock, er, chicago Posts: 601	What about Middle-aged Angst?!?! Do you not care anymore Billy? Making a difference?! Teenage angst is bullshit. I'm more pissed off now that I was then because my anger is real now. Then I was confused, drug-addled, spoiled by my parents, bored, etc... yes, but c'mon... living in the real world on your own trying to make it by yourself. Building a life for yourself, your partner, maybe kids... THAT'S THE FUCKIN HARD SHIT. And you've gone through this already... is there not more shit to go through? Are you done now? Everything is fine? Well then make soft, beautiful records like Djali Zwan or the Chicago Songs... don't try to pass Zeitgeist off as HARD or "Metal"... its not fooling anyone when you sing like you're half asleep and it was a first take that was "okay" but you're fine with! WHY DOESN'T BILLY SEEM TO BE PISSED OFF ANYMORE? FUCK THAT "HE'S FOUND PEACE" "HE'S RICH" BULLSHIT. DON'T GIVE ME THAT NONSENSE EXCUSE. Why don't you stop trying to sing properly and fuckin' belt out the goddamn song?!?!?!? Do you not fuckin' care anymore? Is it just "fun and games"? cuz I'll tell you this... you got more inside of you than you're showing us right now. YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? MAKE BETTER RECORDS! PEOPLE WILL CARE AGAIN!!! THEY'LL LISTEN TO YOU AND YOU WON'T HATE THE RECORD INDUSTRY ANYMORE! Doomsday Clock is good, but Billy and Jimmy are BETTER THAN GOOD. I don't care if you're 40 fuckin' years old! You can't afford a personal trainer? A vocal therapist? Fuckin' massages everyday? You ARE fuckin' rich man! Use it for good fuckin' uses! Like rockin' the goddamn world! I had to get that off my chest. So far, I'm glad they're back, but I expect them to get better or they'll be a nostaglia act; nothing else. Which is a shame because they obviously have the talent to school motherfuckers left and right!

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06-20-2007, 07:32 PM	#2
hnibos Braindead Location: I was just reading, right? Posts: 15,020	hmm, maybe by the next album he will have reached mid age crisis

06-20-2007, 07:33 PM	#3
Effloresce Banned Posts: 5,018	how many of these fucking threads are we going to have

06-20-2007, 07:37 PM	#4
Sam Vimes Demi-God Location: Documenta City Posts: 349	Corgan Rules to thread.

06-20-2007, 07:40 PM	#5
sweetanthony Ownz Location: under a rock, er, chicago Posts: 601	Well, if you're pissed off, you should be able to voice it. How many replies are going to be worthless like yours? "How many threads are we going to have like this blah blah blah pathetic worthless I am having nothing better to say." Shut the fuck up!

06-20-2007, 07:43 PM	#7
telex Pledge Posts: 243	well, it's true that being forty years old isn't exactly an excuse to be less passionate or to become emotionally vacant. smashing pumpkins music made by twenty-eight year olds will appeal to me when i am twenty-eight, but i doubt that this music made by forty year olds will appeal to me when i am forty. if anything, billy is already experiencing a midlife crisis. he wasted his thirties involving himself in doomed projects and now he regrets breaking up smashing pumpkins, so he's trying to return to that place. it's too bad because the result is an inability to evolve.

06-20-2007, 07:50 PM	#9
whiteskwirl Pledge Posts: 115	i thought he was evolving with Zwan. Too bad he didn't stick with it, because I really liked Zwan.

06-20-2007, 07:51 PM	#10
SlingeroGuitaro Starbucks addicted minion Location: Billy Corgan Kazoo Revue Posts: 6,575	erectile dysfunction is, indeed, something to bitch about.

06-20-2007, 07:55 PM	#11
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	sweetanthony you are the one being schooled in all this...yes, billy and jimmy are all grown up now...tarantula and doomsday clock are amazing in my opinion...they fall perfectly in line with the lineage of pumpkins' sound...and the fact that the album is just billy and jimmy jamming...if you don't like the new stuff more than likely you prefer nothing after MCIS...

06-20-2007, 07:59 PM	#13
morecowbell Ownz Location: really exploring the studio space this time Posts: 536	does no one note the irony? "they're bound to kill us all, in white washed halls, the jackals lick their balls," hmm, sounds like everything's copasetic teenage angst = idealistic anger lackluster vocals = realistic hopelessness

06-20-2007, 08:07 PM	#16
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	oh, i see your point... but playing rock (with Jimmy, no doubt) HAS to be a lot of fun! I think for the time he's making the best out of a bad situation.