what is the SP masterpiece?

[runnersdialzero]

i am trying to make a poll but will likely fuck it up. which is the album that burns the most lies? kicks the most ass? accounts for the most arcane thoughts and angst?

gish
siamese dream
mellon collie and the infinite sadness
adore
machina
machina II
zeitgeist

[Gossamer]

MCIS is their most eclectic but SD is their masterpiece.

[runnersdialzero]

i tried to make a poll but fucked it up

someone want to deal with that?

[TheBigG753]

Mellon Collie is the masterpiece, the band at their peak.

SD would be the only other acceptable answer.

[andrewface]

mcis - specific song...tonight tonight...

i dont understand how someone could write something so amazing

[Nidhogg]

Track for track, gotta go with Siamese Dream.

[Runsaber]

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness: Burning Lies Before There Were Lies to Be Burnt.

[kingy]

Most votes would be for SD and MCIS followed by Adore then probably Gish or Machina 1 then Machina 2.

If I had to choose a masterpiece I'd probably choose SD only because it is the least flawed album containing a number of Pumpkins classics like Geek, Soma, Mayo, Cherub, etc.

MCIS demonstrates the range of the band with by far the most varied content with many great songs.

I love Adore and its my favourite at times but I wouldn't rank it above those two because its weaker moments (Perfect and Appels + Oranjes IMO) tend to be weaker than MCIS (bar Take me down) and SD. But it has a very different sound and I love its atmosphere.

[starlaluna]

I agree tonight tonight is utterly amazing and so universal.

I love mcis..it means a lot me and was my first SP album. Both MCIS and SD are masterpieces in their own way. SD is the perfect album with perfect songs in the perfect order. MCIS is in your face and so diverse yet put together at the same time. It has so many UBER amazing songs. I can't choose.

[Dogfighter28]

Siamese Dream

[Shapan]

MCIS is one of the best records of all time

[You Said]

SD.

[Dork USA]

Honestly, forever SD was a top 5 album ever for me. Loved the hell out of it. MCIS was always thought of as being top 20-25, though.

However, recently, i can't get enough of MCIS and SD. I think they're both in the top 5 now, and I honestly can't say which is higher. Seriously, in the past 2 months ive embraced like 8-10 songs on MCIS, and in the last 2 days i finally learned to love Jellybelly and By Starlight.

[runnersdialzero]

not surprisingly, i float between SD and MCIS. i believe SD is the more concise, more influential record. HOWEVER, MCIS can go toe to toe with any album of all time in creativity and sheer percentile of inspired, amazing tracks.

i am split... SD is more influential, more direct and will probably go down in history as the critics darling, but i love MCIS and am so impressed i want to call it the masterpiece

[smashapumpkin]

for pumpkin heads of course its SD but for people discovering sp its MCIS

[Shapan]

not really, some people love adore most and i can understand that too

[smashapumpkin]

i love adore but i dont know that a lot of people consider it a high point for the pumpkins

[Nidhogg]

Adore was my favorite for the first couple years of my obsession with them.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Dork USA

Honestly, forever SD was a top 5 album ever for me. Loved the hell out of it. MCIS was always thought of as being top 20-25, though.

However, recently, i can't get enough of MCIS and SD. I think they're both in the top 5 now, and I honestly can't say which is higher. Seriously, in the past 2 months ive embraced like 8-10 songs on MCIS, and in the last 2 days i finally learned to love Jellybelly and By Starlight.

Ahhh to be young.

I remember those days.

Cherish them.

[runnersdialzero]

i want to get some sort of 3d diagram happening... who is from eurpope and prefers the later material? my experience is that the euros love adore and machina and are indifferent towards SD and MCIS. this seems crazy to me, but it would explain some cracked-out posts i'e seen around here

[WeilandFan]

Like Billy said, MCIS was The Wall for Generation X.

[starlaluna]

Ok I'm choosing...I choose...MCIS

[Shapan]

Originally Posted by smashapumpkin

i love adore but i dont know that a lot of people consider it a high point for the pumpkins

i didnt say it was a high point necessarily but i can see why its people's favorites. but people can argue that too as the pumpkins completely reinvented themselves for that album.

this question is very subjective, especially between MCIS and SD

[sweetanthony]

Siamese Dream= Dark Side of the Moon

MCIS= The Wall

Adore= Wish You Were Here

All "masterpieces" but we all know which one is held highest in regard, SD (Dark Side).

[MisterSquishyHalo]

SD was tighter, MCIS was just more grandoise and far reaching.

[waltermcphilp]

my fav - adore

their best - SD

[ltoolio]

MCIS, with SD just a bit behind.

[starlaluna]

Originally Posted by runnersdialzero

i want to get some sort of 3d diagram happening... who is from eurpope and prefers the later material? my experience is that the euros love adore and machina and are indifferent towards SD and MCIS. this seems crazy to me, but it would explain some cracked-out posts i'e seen around here

make a POLL!

which do u prefer and where are you from?

sd/mcis - europe
sd/mcis - north america
sd/mcis - elsewhere
machina - europe
machina - north america
machina - elsewhere

etc.

[hummer26]

siamese dream is their best & their masterpeice. Over the last 13 years I have jammed to this album and yet it doesnt get old. Mellon Collie is amazing but some of the songs dont have me coming back for more like sd.........the songs from sd just draw emotions out of you.

for someone wanting to get into sp I would recommend mcis...then sd.....then gish...I am one and siva back to back are an amazing intro to any album

[JRiordan]

Originally Posted by Shapan

MCIS is one of the best records of all time

QFT.