ah kill me

[ella]

i don't really have a preference.

just without pain.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Strike that. Reverse it.
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_pho...side-wonka.jpg

are you trying to tell me you're socially liberal and economically conservative? I don't buy that for a second.

[Effloresce]

Interesting.

[GlasgowKiss]

Originally Posted by ella

i don't really have a preference.

just without pain.

So much promise, so dissapointing.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

are you trying to tell me you're socially liberal and economically conservative? I don't buy that for a second.

Considering I'm against government regulation of most things, for a free market economy, for legalization of drugs and victimless crimes, anti-internet regulation, anti social programs, anti-spending, small government, pro states rights, anti-taxation, and believe that government shouldn't be in the gay marriage debate because government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage in the first place, I'd say I'm pretty spot on.

[Trotskilicious]

THAT'S ECONOMIC LIBERALISM FUCK

LIBERTARIAN IS ROOT OF LIBERAL GOD DAMN YOU

DO YOU LISTEN TO ANYTHING I SAY

JESUS CHRIST WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

[ohnoitsbonnie]

that sounds like an ideal world there

[Trotskilicious]

not even remotely

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

THAT'S ECONOMIC LIBERALISM FUCK

LIBERTARIAN IS ROOT OF LIBERAL GOD DAMN YOU

DO YOU LISTEN TO ANYTHING I SAY

JESUS CHRIST WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

stop with this. you're looking like an idiot.

[Trotskilicious]

oh i guess i'm wrong based on everything i've learned because mayfuck says i'm an idiot

i guess conservativism really means that you're in favor of economic liberalism. i mean how you figure that one out is beyond my limited mind.

[benjamin619]

Trots, you're backward. Or you are joking? This is an economically conservative stance:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

... against government regulation of most things, for a free market economy, ... anti-internet regulation, anti social programs, anti-spending, small government, pro states rights, anti-taxation ...

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

THAT'S ECONOMIC LIBERALISM FUCK

LIBERTARIAN IS ROOT OF LIBERAL GOD DAMN YOU

DO YOU LISTEN TO ANYTHING I SAY

JESUS CHRIST WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

Hi, this is the 21st century.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by benjamin619

Trots, you're backward. Or you are joking? This is an economically conservative stance:

no it isn't. He's against restricting things, opening up free markets, and in general in favor of personal liberty = liberal.

god damnit. the word means nothing these days.

[benjamin619]

etymological to a fault.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

no it isn't. He's against restricting things, opening up free markets, and in general in favor of personal liberty = liberal.

god damnit. the word means nothing these days.

Look up any of the "Liberal" parties in the world, and point me to the majority that believe in what I stated above.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by wiki

The liberal theory of economics is the theory of economics developed in the Enlightenment, and believed to be first fully formulated by Adam Smith. It is associated with the political ideology of classical liberalism. The concept of economic liberalism or market liberalism underpinned the move towards a free market capitalist economic system in the late 18th century, and the subsequent demise of the mercantilist system. Today, the liberal theory of economics is strongly associated with some schools of conservatism, particularly liberal conservatism.

This is exactly the problem. The idea of "liberal conservatism" is absolutely ludicrous and the two terms should be mutually exclusive. Being that traditional, english conservatism is based on keeping the status quo, that being royalty. Currently, we use liberal and conservatism to label things that are hardly liberal or conservativsm because we have no fucking idea what the words mean anymore. It's like how Republican and Democrat tend to flip ideas when you look at their history over the past few centuries. It's retarded and it needs to stop. I'm fine with R and D flipping ideals and mindsets since they are political parties and not philosophies but fucking fuck fuck do you really have any idea how hard it is to write history papers on conservativism and liberalism when the meanings of the words have changed over and over again over the past hundered years? They don't even make sense anymore. FUck god shut up i hate you.

I wrote an entire paper about the fact that the British adherance to economic liberalism and their idea of manifest destiny destroyed their ability to deal with the Irish potato famine and was directly related to the severity of the famine. My professor never said anything about what a retard i was for using the term economic liberalism but shitheads on the internet who know less than they think are chastising me because i'm sick and tired of these american ideas destroying the definition of a term that was coined for political ideas 200 years ago and mashing them up into some kind of meaningless porridge.

Fuck off. Really.

[benjamin619]

or, you could say he's against liberal spending and taxation, and for conservative regulations.

[benjamin619]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

I wrote an entire paper ...

zzzzzzzzz

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Look up any of the "Liberal" parties in the world, and point me to the majority that believe in what I stated above.

Yeah the fact that I rail on and on about how "Liberal" parties are socially liberal and economically conservative doesn't mean anything does it?

hey, check this out, dickbag:

Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

oh well i guess the policies you advocate are radical changes and, hey!, by definition NOT conservative.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

Yeah the fact that I rail on and on about how "Liberal" parties are socially liberal and economically conservative doesn't mean anything does it?

hey, check this out, dickbag:

Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

oh well i guess the policies you advocate are radical changes and, hey!, by definition NOT conservative.

Wait, now you've confused me. Are you saying now I'm socially conservative still?

[Trotskilicious]

i don't really know what you are in a social context.

[Nimrod's Son]

Terms change. Meanings change. Times change.

This isn't the potato famine anymore, just like a conservative like Goldwater would not want to associate with the "conservatives" of today

[Trotskilicious]

Well the word conservative apparently hasn't changed, Nimrod.

[GlasgowKiss]

Liberty/liberal is just such a terribly muddy concept. It can mean freedom from taxation. It can mean free access to healthcare. It can mean liberal (ie lots of) use of government. And a thousand other things.

[avian chaos]

Originally Posted by GlasgowKiss

ella is trying to defuse my accusations of gross daft bitchitude by getting all cuddly.

Man, I hate it when that happens

[Effloresce]

lol

[Future Boy]

Well this thread took a turn, huh.

[benjamin619]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

I wrote an entire paper about the fact that the British adherance to economic liberalism and their idea of manifest destiny destroyed their ability to deal with the Irish potato famine and was directly related to the severity of the famine. My professor never said anything about what a retard i was for using the term economic liberalism but shitheads on the internet who know less than they think are chastising me because i'm sick and tired of these american ideas destroying the definition of a term that was coined for political ideas 200 years ago and mashing them up into some kind of meaningless porridge.

Fuck off. Really.

I'd just like to clarify, beginning any argument with "Well, I wrote a paper ... " is pretentious and damning. We have all written undergraduate papers. They are rarely interesting, never groundbreaking and never, never a good topic of conversation.

I like you okay. I understand what you are attempting to say. But in this case, you are 100% wrong about today's definition. Feel free to protest when misnomers have real consequences, but so long as the entire idea of a thought is encompassed in its name - no one, not even a strict philologist would go this far.

[avian chaos]

Damn.

[benjamin619]

Whadjacallyerpaper?