Fuck you Charlie Rangel (he supports the draft)

[Andrew_Pakula]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Whether or not they are good or bad immigrants, would Canada just all of a sudden change their policies and allow tons of Americans to legally immigrate all at once? I doubt it.

Not to mention how harmful to their relations with the US such actions would be.

Canada has a pretty poor record of dealing with illegal immigrants over the past 15 years or so, there is so much red-tape with coming here legally that everyone just decides to jump queue and walk in and claim they are "refugees". Even Americans come to Canada trying to claim they are refugees in a bid to stay here in Canada (usually because they are wanted for crimes in the U.S.).

The former federal Liberal government sort of just let immigrant and illegal immigration spiral out of control without any checks and balances, planning or organization. Canada needs immigration but not the way it currently is, not everyone can come and settle in Toronto.....

As for draft doggers, Canada has a long history of allowing Americans to come here. This hasn't been true recently with the Iraq war stuff however if the draft came back I am pretty sure the government would look the other way again especially if the Liberals are back in power again by that time.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Effloresce

I still think he's a fucking idiot.

I'm starting to feel that way about you, too.

[RopeyLopey]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

The former federal Liberal government sort of just let immigrant and illegal immigration spiral out of control without any checks and balances, planning or organization. Canada needs immigration but not the way it currently is, not everyone can come and settle in Toronto......

too bad Andrew you weren't around when I had this awesome discussion about Canadian immigration with Sleeper: http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=128289

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Corganist

On the bright side, the music would be a lot better.

Yeah...a war set to the soundtrack of limp bizkit,Green Day, panic at the disco, MCR, U2, and Madonna.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by To Starla

Yeah...a war set to the soundtrack of limp bizkit,Green Day, panic at the disco, MCR, U2, and Madonna.

hey their side gets brian adams and anne muuray and rush and nickelback and michael j fox commercials

[Effloresce]

Hey Nimrod, I said I have a great deal of respect for those who serve. Avoiding a war is avoiding a war, there's no difference between me and the other guy who said it. He might say he'd be willing to face the consequences NOW, but I'm sure that would change if the reality ever had to set in.

You are such a staunch conservative, it's pretty sickening. You're completely out of touch with the mainstream, Nimrod. It's easy for guys like you to say you'd support a draft since you're not eligible.

[KurtsOtherKid]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Not every soldier is a "killing machine." Did you know some soldiers are mailmen? Yes, mailmen. Some run newspapers. Some are cooks.

There are a shitload of jobs. Not everyone is infantry. You wouldn't accept being a cook?

I've been in the Navy for seven years as a Damage Controlman (firefighting) on board ships. It's great really. But in all actuality I would say only about %30 of the military is affected (life or death) with what goes on in Washington and their politics. There are so many jobs in the Military that have absolutely nothing to do with combat…but that is all that is ever portrayed. You never hear about the military postal clerk who coordinated the delivery of 90 tons of mail during a six month deployment. All you ever hear about are the frontline stories, which is, in essence, what gives wars or conflicts a bad name…Anyway…Truth be told, I don’t think conscription is a bad idea. A lot of people think of the "draft" as "oh shit I have to go play platoon". You live in this country so why not do a mandatory couple years of civil service? Work at for the VA, DHS, TSA, Corps of Engineers, FEMA so on and so forth, or, if you want, military service, and still receive the same benefits (Educational etc…) as all the other Gov’t employees. I mean, people bitch about government organizations all the damn time, or how this country sucks but don’t do anything about it.

[Toast]

the 18 to 26 bracket would probably riot if that ever happened

[severin]

actually it's brilliant in a twisted sort of way. if you are against the war (or against a war with iran, or korea) the best idea is to have it absolutely intertwined with a draft. erveryone is against the draft, nobody would be able to pull it through. so, if you say war=draft (and hammer it into people that it won't be possible without) and you know the draft won't happen that means there won't be a war. you might loose the next election because you will never be able to argument like that and sound plausible, but if it's really for the cause that would be a good way to do it

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by To Starla

Yeah...a war set to the soundtrack of limp bizkit,Green Day, panic at the disco, MCR, U2, and Madonna.

No, you're getting me all wrong. What I meant is if we bring back the 60s, the 60s quality music will come back and replace all the shitty stuff from today. Instead of the crap you just mentioned, we'll get brand new artists on the level of Hendrix, the Doors, etc.

[DeviousJ]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Well it's nice that you're willing to accept and take advantage of the freedoms that others are willing to fight for.

And no, I won't be on the frontline, because I'm not draft eligible. Also if I were drafted when I was eligible, I wouldn't be in the infantry most likely because of my education, but yes, I would go.

So you'll be volunteering then?

And cooks and mailmen are one thing if they're expanding the current numbers in Iraq, but they'd also be bringing people in to replace dead and wounded soldiers - and they're not usually the guys in charge of stationery supplies and feng shui

[wHATcOLOR]

Originally Posted by Corganist

Two words: political suicide. Rangel is an idiot if he thinks that the draft is going to make the war any more unpopular than it already is. Using people's kids as unwilling pawns to evoke anti-war sentiment won't have any effect on the war, but it would mean the end of some political careers.

I'm sure the late 60s were a groovy time for a lot of these baby boomers in charge of things now, but bringing back the issues that caused political turmoil back then isn't going to bring that era back. Why don't we just bring back Jim Crow while we're at it? Then we can have another Civil Rights movement and maybe another MLK can emerge and people can march on Washington and sing and have a grand old time. If we're gonna force ourselves to relive all the bad stuff of the 60s in order to foster a new protest culture, we might as well go all out.

On the bright side, the music would be a lot better.

more like 171 words

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Not every soldier is a "killing machine." Did you know some soldiers are mailmen? Yes, mailmen.

bad example

[wHATcOLOR]

if there's a draft and an anti-gay policy, i'm turning into a haandjob machine

[Nimrod's Son]

Does anyone remember why Rangel came up with the draft idea in the first place? It was a "fuck you" to the Republicans. "Well you want a war, let's draft your kids!" and introduced a bill, and when the Republicans said "fine, let's force a vote on it" Rangel then decided to encourage all Dems to vote against it and distanced himself from his own bill.

He's a complete moron.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Graveflower

bad example

One of my relatives was a mailman in WWII.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by DeviousJ

So you'll be volunteering then?

And cooks and mailmen are one thing if they're expanding the current numbers in Iraq, but they'd also be bringing people in to replace dead and wounded soldiers - and they're not usually the guys in charge of stationery supplies and feng shui

No, I won't be volunteering. I'll be staying at home with the ladies whose unfortunate boyfriends are fighting overseas

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

One of my relatives was a mailman in WWII.

*woosh*

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Graveflower

*woosh*

Ah jeez

[wally]

Speaking as a man who works with 18 year old males on a daily basis, trust me folks, you don't want the security of our nation in the hands of half of these fucktards

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by wally

Speaking as a man who works with 18 year old males on a daily basis, trust me folks, you don't want the security of our nation in the hands of half of these fucktards

i'm ok with just thinning the herd a little

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Corganist

No, you're getting me all wrong. What I meant is if we bring back the 60s, the 60s quality music will come back and replace all the shitty stuff from today. Instead of the crap you just mentioned, we'll get brand new artists on the level of Hendrix, the Doors, etc.

At best, we will get a power ballad by Celine Dion.

I don't think we will ever get anything as good as the doors again.

[The Omega Concern]

There's not a single band out there that has shown the ability to capture these raucous times in song and have it reach the body politic.

not one.

So when I hear something like Wolfmother or Silversun Pickups, for instance, and they have a nice sound and all that, nothing against them but if this is what's 'hot' these days, the world might as well be end itself now because Rock n Roll is sure as hell dead to it.

Lot's of sounds out there but not a single band actually doing something with real impact.

[RopeyLopey]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

There's not a single band out there that has shown the ability to capture these raucous times in song and have it reach the body politic.

not one.

So when I hear something like Wolfmother or Silversun Pickups, for instance, and they have a nice sound and all that, nothing against them but if this is what's 'hot' these days, the world might as well be end itself now because Rock n Roll is sure as hell dead to it.

Lot's of sounds out there but not a single band actually doing something with real impact.

the world is clearly waiting for Canc3l to save us all