UPDATE

[brendo_91]

Guys. PLEASE listen to Bohemian Rhapsody and report back on how dynamically flat it is.

RTB states this exact song as the peak of his over-production of records. And does it have dynamics?

Quit jumping to conclusions without being able to back them up.

[pumpkinxyu]

Originally Posted by brendo_91

Guys. PLEASE listen to Bohemian Rhapsody and report back on how dynamically flat it is.

RTB states this exact song as the peak of his over-production of records. And does it have dynamics?

Quit jumping to conclusions without being able to back them up.

listened to A Night At The Opera today for the first time in a little while (produced by Roy Thomas Baker), and it still stands as one of the benchmarks for recording, in my opinion. "Bohemian Rhapsody" is unbelievable, of course, but for those of you without the album, check out "Love Of My Life" and "Year of '39" for slightly less over the top tracks (and for an even more over the top track off the album, check out "Prophet Song"). i'm not the biggest fan of The Cars and i'm certainly not a big fan of The Darkness, but i'm so surprised that the Pumpkins will be working with RTB that i can't help but feel pretty excited.

he strikes me as a producer that Billy might choose to work with on a song or two given their common interests in certain departments, but not for an entire album. maybe that's the plan, but either way, i think Billy will push RTB in a different direction - and vice versa - that will hopefully produce something more exciting than either one of them has ever done. i wouldn't have minded seeing Flood's name on the official site, but i'm glad Billy continues to keep me guessing with every move.

and to reference an earlier post in which brendo mentioned that TheFutureEmbrace wasn't recorded through a vintage console to tape, i wouldn't be so sure. as far as i know, every album Billy's ever worked on has been tracked to tape. the biggest studio person to have an influence on Billy is Flood, and Flood swears by tracking to tape. just because there's a lot of keyboards doesn't mean the album is direct to ProFools. the low-end on TFE is rich and full, very saturated sounding. the fact that everything has so much life to it suggests to me that analog gear was involved throughout, and all signs point to tape from listening to it, although drums are usually the biggest hint, and there aren't any.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by Reyngel

You hit the nail on the head. If anything has been the reason for their lack of success during the Machina era, and certainly the MSOTS shit, it's that the dynamics were very, very minimal. And Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie, Adore... those albums were full of loud meets quiet. Think about the outo for hummer, the spacey middle section of Geek USA, Galapagos, Behold! The Night Mare, For Martha... it was the perfect blend. But then it became all about huge walls of fuzz and distortion, enough to make it so that you couldn't even tell it was a guitar. It was so gimmicky, so shallow.

Dude SP was always about huge walls of fuzz and distortion! There are a million interviews regarding the SD era where the terms "wall of sound" "fuzz" and "distortion" are all over the place. I get what you're saying but.. I don't know, I disagree with that last comment there.

[Fonzie]

Originally Posted by transluscent

I BELIVE IN A THING CALLED LOVE!!

Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Dead]

I like the darkness song called Friday Night.

[Cherub Angel]

If anything I think this guy coming in could add some thing that would make this record distinct from the others because all of their past worked have either been Flood or Vig but always with Corgan at the helm in one way or another. The difference with this guy is that he had a lot more history in classic pop/rock ala Queen and Cheap Trick than either Flood or Vig had....Flood worked with NIN, Depeche Mode, Erasure and even New Order before he worked with SP and Vig was known more for very obscure little punk bands pre-SP and Nirvana. Early SP work has a lot of Queen and Cheap Trick influences, this all fits very well.

[brendo_91]

Originally Posted by pumpkinxyu

and to reference an earlier post in which brendo mentioned that TheFutureEmbrace wasn't recorded through a vintage console to tape, i wouldn't be so sure. as far as i know, every album Billy's ever worked on has been tracked to tape.

Ok, fair point - what I was getting at is, you don't hire a well known, highly esteemed rock producer, who works with vintage mixing desks and analog tape... to make an electronica CD.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Well...a year ago I would have expected something exiting by now, and all we have is the producer of the album. Still no line up.

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by Dead

Dude SP was always about huge walls of fuzz and distortion! There are a million interviews regarding the SD era where the terms "wall of sound" "fuzz" and "distortion" are all over the place. I get what you're saying but.. I don't know, I disagree with that last comment there.

Yeah, pretty much only Adore is generally lacking in this respect. Like I think Reyngel was suggesting, with Machina the wall of sound/fuzz is almost a constant in the background giving it a very levelled out sound. Also, the distortion sounds hard or brittle compared to their earlier albums.

[davin]

Here are a bunch of articles on the web about this announcement. Didn't want to start a new thread...so here you go.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/153...headlines=true

http://www.andpop.com/article/6748

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/..._id=1003018864

http://uk.news.launch.yahoo.com/dyna...ml&e=l_news_dm

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=56598 (already another thread on this)

[myosis]

on the contrary, you could have started a new thread for each of them.
kahlo already initiated the movement.

[myosis]

looks like two of them rushed it :

Punpkins: "Recording"

Auf Der Maur said she wasn't not sure whether Corgan had reached out to guitarist James Iha or bassist D'Arcy Wretzky

[davin]

here is more:

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,19787,00.html

http://www.cinemablend.com/music/Sma...unite-817.html

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=260522

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/n..._Cars_Producer

[davin]

another: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004569830

[GRSuperChris]

Yeah, but technically the number is still wrong. We did have Machina II.

Originally Posted by Dead

The album was already online in 1999 but wasn't released til 2000. Or was it just known that it was complete in 99 but got leaked in 2000... Anyway, it was done in 99. And Melissa was performing with them in like Dec. 99 or something, I can't remember my SP1 trivia right now. So 99 is accurate.

[Obscured & Blue]

Originally Posted by GRSuperChris

Yeah, but technically the number is still wrong. We did have Machina II.

The material on Machina II are leftovers from Machina/TMOG and were, logically, recorded in 1999.

With the exception of Lucky 13 and White Spyder, recorded in may 2000 with Billy on bass.

[davin]

more news articles:

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf...0years_1005629

http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/5899.html

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/n...celebrity_heds

[myosis]

look, every fucking online music magazine in the world is gonna write an article about the site update, who wants to read them all?

[davin]

Originally Posted by myosis

look, every fucking online music magazine in the world is gonna write an article about the site update, who wants to read them all?

maybe you don't want to, but its nice to have the choice, isn't it?
don't like 'em, don't click on 'em. freedom of choice bitch.
i mean shit, i'm not starting new threads....

personally, I find it interesting to read all the slight subjective twists and sways that different writers build into it.

[Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Sigma

Shall I take a bow?

Actually, no.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...3&postcount=79 - 07/07/06

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...0&postcount=20 - 07/27/06

[Cruiser]

But in regards to the record and the producer, at first I was like "I don't really care." But after reading through the info that people have posted I'm actually really excited. I do really enjoy and appreciate how the pumpkins shift their sound from album to album, but I really like the wandering qualities of some of the earlier music, and the dynamics of it too. After understanding a bit better how this producer works, I'm really optimistic that those qualities will be properly worked into whatever other sounds or styles SP wishes to explore this time around

[davin]

here, here cruiser.

just thinking about the previous RBT works, and then the pumpkins and how they will meld together.....................GAWD.....I can't wait.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by Cruiser

Actually, no.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...3&postcount=79 - 07/07/06

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...0&postcount=20 - 07/27/06

Ah, beaten, I guess.

[_angeltears_]

is it just me or does somebody else think that Roy Thomas Baker would have been a better choice for MSOTS?

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by _angeltears_

is it just me or does somebody else think that Roy Thomas Baker would have been a better choice for MSOTS?

How can you say that when you have not the slightest idea of what the new album will sound like?

[*theory*]

Producers are overrated...lol.

producing and production, are not.

but honestly, i ain't worried about this. im worried about the forces of eeeeehvil who don't want this to see the light of day. im not easy just looking at the stars figuring, "ok, the monthly scroll has been pretty spot on all year..." so I guess I should be more patient.

or...we're sitting on a bomb that can be detonated, but no, not just yet, appearently false idols must still be pursued, so we sit? well, not exactly like that but on one level it appears to be so... the mother fuckin paradigm has shifted since we created it and Im STILL faced with faces who cannot see...and don't have the urgency. whatever the score, we gonna lose at this rate cause I dont think we're reading the gales correctly at this most critical juncture. fuckn joke, but I guess i have no choice but to be more...patient. but If we got ours, then I figure, they got theirs now...and the parrelel of the wars may not be lost on me. tick...tock...tick...

[myosis]

anyone see some billy corgan influence in this last post?

[Kahlo]

Originally Posted by *theory*

Producers are overrated...lol.

producing and production, are not.

but honestly, i ain't worried about this. im worried about the forces of eeeeehvil who don't want this to see the light of day. im not easy just looking at the stars figuring, "ok, the monthly scroll has been pretty spot on all year..." so I guess I should be more patient.

or...we're sitting on a bomb that can be detonated, but no, not just yet, appearently false idols must still be pursued, so we sit? well, not exactly like that but on one level it appears to be so... the mother fuckin paradigm has shifted since we created it and Im STILL faced with faces who cannot see...and don't have the urgency. whatever the score, we gonna lose at this rate cause I dont think we're reading the gales correctly at this most critical juncture. fuckn joke, but I guess i have no choice but to be more...patient. but If we got ours, then I figure, they got theirs now...and the parrelel of the wars may not be lost on me. tick...tock...tick...

You have studied the ramblings of Corgan most closely.. managing to type many words but in fact say nothing really aside from "bad people no want to release album- oh and be patient"

[byoung88]

made no sense..

[teh b0lly!!1]

WHAT THE FUCK!!
this is pretty fucking exciting news to me.
queen is one of the most amazingly talented and sprawling bands ever to exist in my opinion.. if the pumpkins are taking a classic \ 80s rock direction that could turn out really interesting...
what the fuck guys!! foreigner, cars, stranglers, i fucking love some stuff by those bands
im super excited all the sudden