UPDATE

[mpp]

uh, if the first 5 seconds of the record sound anything like the first 5 seconds of "i believe in a thing called love," i think we're in good shape

i don't even like that song much, but it rocks at the beginning big time

[ratking17]

Dead, how is it that they are saying machina 2 is not an album? We know corgan wanted a double disk and that is where machina 2 came from...

[harrow]

Originally Posted by ratking17

Harrow, what/where is your source?

I live in LA and we have seen Billy around here sometimes - esp in the West Hollywood area. As far as the source - one of my friends works with Kerry who is D'arcy's ex and they were working in his studio for a while. I heard that they already fired Eric Avery because of negotiations issues. If I had more info I would let you know. Also, he has moved out of Courtney's house to another rented house over in the Valley....Sierra lives out there and he will be closer to the studio and to her. He met Sierra though Linda Perry who is producing Courtney's album. She's supposed to be really nice and talented. So.....there you go.

[mpp]

machina was released on February 29, 2000

[ratking17]

Harrow, you seem to know all things Corgan right now. Can you hook us up with some pics? If you know avery is out, then who is in?

[Cherub Angel]

Interesting but not really a surprising choice when you think about it. This guy produced Cheap Trick and Queen, thos are some bands Corgan is a fan of. Hell, this producer was the guy who produced fucking "Bohemian Rhapsody", I'm happy.

[benjamin619]

good news. everything i've heard about the new records makes it seem like it's aiming for popularity.

[Kahlo]

they are in a studio somewhere. hoorah.

[davin]

most of the machina2 stuff was recorded around the same time as machina1, (see: http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=43 and http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=44) so if you agree that they are referring to the last time they were in the studio, not including the Untitled and "finishing touches" 2000 sessions for Machina2 material, then it almost makes sense.




ok, you're right...it makes no sense.

[Kahlo]

Originally Posted by harrow

I live in LA and we have seen Billy around here sometimes - esp in the West Hollywood area. As far as the source - one of my friends works with Kerry who is D'arcy's ex and they were working in his studio for a while. I heard that they already fired Eric Avery because of negotiations issues. If I had more info I would let you know. Also, he has moved out of Courtney's house to another rented house over in the Valley....Sierra lives out there and he will be closer to the studio and to her. He met Sierra though Linda Perry who is producing Courtney's album. She's supposed to be really nice and talented. So.....there you go.

wow I feel I can talk now

[ZackZ]

Originally Posted by benjamin619

good news. everything i've heard about the new records makes it seem like it's aiming for popularity.

Ya, that's really great. Oh wait, have you heard the Zwan album? I think that was the same idea. Billy can't write for shit if he's actually trying, or it just doesn't come out very cohesive. Zwan and his solo album are good examples. I personally think both endeavors offered some great music, but a lot of it seems forced.

I think he is going back to his old ways for this album. Jimmy said they had already written 40 songs and that was back in February. I think the process that works is write a shitload of songs, and put together the ones that work the best, like with MCIS. I suppose Zwan did the same thing and most of the good songs didn't end up on the album, so I guess it could go either way.

[davin]

Originally Posted by Cherub Angel

Interesting but not really a surprising choice when you think about it. This guy produced Cheap Trick and Queen, thos are some bands Corgan is a fan of. Hell, this producer was the guy who produced fucking "Bohemian Rhapsody", I'm happy.

yes, and he's fan of Bowie, Ozzy and the Cars as well. All of which RTB has apparently done stuff with.

[Kahlo]

mmmmm Bowie. I'm on a fix at the moment.

[davin]

from www.allmusic.com, everything RTB has done:


1969 Crystal Telephone Terry Durham Engineer
1970 Egg Egg Engineer
1970 Freedom Freedom Engineer
1970 Ginger Baker's Air Force Ginger Baker's Air Force Engineer
1970 T. Rex T. Rex Engineer
1971 Electric Warrior T. Rex Engineer
1971 Gasolin Gasolin Producer
1971 Nazareth Nazareth Engineer
1972 Exercises [Essential] Nazareth Producer
1972 Hellbound Train Savoy Brown Engineer
1972 Lion's Share Savoy Brown Engineer
1974 Queen II Queen Castanets, Producer
1974 Sheer Heart Attack Queen Producer
1975 Futurama Be Bop Deluxe Producer
1975 Night at the Opera [Mobile Fidelity] Queen Producer
1975 Night at the Opera Queen Producer
1975 Play Loud Hustler Producer
1975 Rhinos, Winos and Lunatics Man Producer
1976 Lone Star Lone Star Producer
1976 Morin Heights Pilot Producer
1977 Overnight Angels Ian Hunter Percussion
1978 Cars The Cars Producer
1978 Citadel Starcastle Producer
1978 Infinity Journey Producer, Mixing
1978 Jazz Queen Producer
1979 Candy-O The Cars Producer
1979 Evolution Journey Producer, Mastering
1979 Gimme Some Neck Ron Wood Producer
1979 Head Games Foreigner Producer
1980 Flush the Fashion Alice Cooper Producer
1980 Panorama The Cars Producer
1981 Shake It Up The Cars Producer
1982 Convertible Music Josie Cotton Executive Producer
1982 Oh, No! It's Devo Devo Producer
1982 One on One Cheap Trick Producer
1982 Records Foreigner Producer
1983 Espionage Espionage Producer
1984 Go Insane Lindsey Buckingham Executive Producer
1984 Tooth and Nail Dokken Associate Producer
1985 Best of Wayne Newton Now Wayne Newton Mastering
1985 Change No Change Elliot Easton Producer
1985 Greatest Hits The Cars Producer
1985 Rescue You Joe Lynn Turner Producer
1985 T. Rextasy: The Best of T. Rex, 1970-1973 T. Rex Engineer
1985 Three Ships Jon Anderson Producer
1986 American Anthem Original Soundtrack Producer, Engineer
1987 Prelude The Moody Blues Engineer
1987 T'Pau T'Pau Producer
1987 You Boyz Make Big Noize Slade Producer
1988 Greatest Hits Journey Producer
1988 Tokoloshe Man John Kongos Remixing
1989 Dangerous Toys Dangerous Toys Producer
1989 Michael Morales Michael Morales Producer
1989 No Rest for the Wicked Ozzy Osbourne Producer, Engineer
1989 Spark to a Flame: The Very Best of Chris de Burgh Chris de Burgh Producer
198 Cars/Candy-O The Cars Producer
1990 10 The Stranglers Producer
1990 Greatest Hits 1977-1990 The Stranglers Producer
1990 Greatest Hits Devo Producer
1990 Greatest Misses Devo Producer
1990 Virgin Value Collector Series 4 Various Artists Producer
1991 Greatest Hits Cheap Trick Producer
1991 Hellacious Acres Dangerous Toys Producer
1991 Night at the Opera [Bonus Tracks] Queen Producer
1991 Queen II [Bonus Tracks] Queen Castanets, Producer
1991 Sheer Heart Attack [Bonus Track] Queen Producer
1991 Show Must Go On [CD #2] Queen Producer
1991 Submerge Yourself in Sound Various Artists Producer
1992 Classic Queen Queen Producer
1992 Classic Rock Box: WNEW-FM 25th Anniversary Box Various Artists Producer
1992 Collection [Castle] Cheap Trick Producer
1992 Encino Man Original Soundtrack Producer
1992 Greatest Hits [Hollywood] Queen Producer
1992 Time 3 Journey Producer
1992 Wayne's World Original Soundtrack Producer
1993 Five Live George Michael & Queen Producer
1993 Heart and Soul: The Very Best of T'Pau [EMI] T'Pau Producer
1993 Hot Potatoes: The Best of Devo Devo Producer
1993 Living in Oblivion: The 80's Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 Various Artists Producer
1993 Mozart Mozart Mixing
1994 Oh, No! It's Devo/Freedom of Choice Devo Producer
1995 Best Rock Album in the World...Ever! 2 Various Artists Producer
1995 Just What I Needed: The Cars Anthology The Cars Producer
1995 Swirl Sprung Monkey Producer, Engineer
1996 Bug Alley Gary Hoey Producer, Engineer, Mixing
1996 Heart and Soul: The Very Best of T'Pau [Renaissance] T'Pau Producer
1996 M.O.M., Vol. 1: Music for Our Mother Ocean Various Artists Producer, Engineer, Mixing
1996 Psychedelic Surf Groove Common Sense Producer, Engineer, Mixing
1996 Sex, America, Cheap Trick Cheap Trick Producer
1996 Something Special Dusty Springfield Producer
1997 Hit Men 1977-1991 The Stranglers Producer
1997 Life in the Air Age Be Bop Deluxe Producer
1997 Ozzman Cometh: Greatest Hits Ozzy Osbourne Producer
1997 Power Chords, Vol. 2 Various Artists Producer
1997 Rocks, Vol. 1 Queen Producer
1997 Speed 2: Cruise Control Original Soundtrack Producer, Engineer, Mixing
1997 Ultimate New Wave Party 1998 Various Artists Producer
1998 Collection: Escape/Frontiers/Infinity Journey Producer, Mixing
1998 Do What You Like Ginger Baker's Air Force Engineer
1998 Hits of Cheap Trick Cheap Trick Producer
1998 Hocus Pocus Live [Hollywood] Gary Hoey Producer, Engineer, Mixing
1998 Hocus Pocus Live [Surfdog] Gary Hoey Engineer, Mixing
1998 Maximum 80's Various Artists Producer
1998 Now: 1987 [2] Various Artists Producer
1998 Pack Up the Cats Local H Producer, Mixing
1998 Spirit of America [Crimson] Various Artists Producer
1999 200 Cigarettes Original Soundtrack Producer
1999 Diamonds in the Belly of the Dog Other Star People Producer
2000 Authorized Greatest Hits Cheap Trick Producer
2000 Jukebox Heroes: The Foreigner Anthology Foreigner Producer
2000 Once Bitten Twice Shy Ian Hunter Percussion, Producer
2000 Simply Dusty Dusty Springfield Producer
2000 Songs of Yesterday Free Engineer
2001 10 [Bonus Tracks] The Stranglers Producer
2001 1999 Party Hawkwind Engineer
2001 3 for 1 Box Set The Cars Producer
2001 Definitive Alice Cooper Alice Cooper Producer, Original Recording Producer
2001 Epic Years The Stranglers Producer
2001 Greatest Hits [Japan] Queen Producer
2001 Knock Out...In the 4th Round Various Artists Vocals (bckgr)
2001 Mascara & Monsters: The Best of Alice Cooper Alice Cooper Producer
2001 Platinum Collection, Vol. 1-3 Queen Producer
2001 Platinum Collection Foreigner Producer
2001 Ultimate Collection Chris de Burgh Producer
2001 Ultimate Collection Dusty Springfield Producer
2002 Anthology 1967-1971 [Hip-O] Ten Years After Engineer
2002 Complete Greatest Hits The Cars Producer
2002 Convertible Music/From the Hip Josie Cotton Executive Producer
2002 Definitive Foreigner Original Recording Producer
2002 Electric Warrior [Japan Bonus Tracks] T. Rex Engineer
2002 Fire and Water [Japan Bonus Tracks] Free Engineer
2002 Greatest Hits [Expanded] Cheap Trick Producer
2002 Head Games [Bonus Track] Foreigner Producer, Original Album Producer
2002 Like, Omigod! The '80s Pop Culture Box (Totally) Various Artists Producer
2002 Night at the Opera [DTS] Queen Producer, Mastering, Mixing Producer
2002 Overnight Angels [Expanded] Ian Hunter Percussion, Producer
2002 Ozzman Cometh: Greatest Hits [Reissue] Ozzy Osbourne Producer
2002 Peaches: The Very Best of the Stranglers The Stranglers Producer
2002 Tons of Sobs [Japan Bonus Tracks] Free Engineer
2003 Boom Box No Doubt Mixing
2003 Electric Warrior [Expanded] T. Rex Engineer
2003 Essential Ozzy Osbourne Ozzy Osbourne Producer
2003 Fire and Water [Bonus Tracks] Free Engineer
2003 Jet [Bonus Track] Jet Producer
2004 Drama [Bonus Tracks] Yes Producer
2004 Essential Cheap Trick Cheap Trick Producer
2004 Everything in Time No Doubt Mixing
2004 Greatest Hits [We Will Rock You Edition] Queen Producer
2004 Lit [Clean] Lit Pre-Production
2004 Lit Lit Drums, Vocals, Group Member
2004 Lone Star/Firing on All Six Lone Star Producer
2004 T. Rex [Expanded Edition] T. Rex Engineer
2004 Tension Split Shift Producer, Engineer, Mixing, Electronic Editor
2004 Then: Totally Oldies '80s Again, Vol. 7 Various Artists Producer
2004 Ultimate Sacrifice: One Black Widow Engineer
2005 A's, B's and Rarities Pilot Producer
2005 Classic Rock Gold Various Artists Producer
2005 Collection: Escape/Frontiers/Infinity [2005 Reissue] Journey Producer, Mixing
2005 Egg [Bonus Tracks] Egg Engineer
2005 Just Like Heaven [Soundtrack] Original Soundtrack Producer
2005 Night at the Opera [30th Anniversary CD/DVD] Queen Producer, Mixing Producer
2005 Overdog [Bonus Tracks] Keef Hartley Mixing
2005 Power Pop Anthems Various Artists Producer
2005 Ultimate Collection [Bonus DVD] Chris DeBurgh Producer
2006 '70s: Gold Various Artists Producer
2006 Definitive Collection Foreigner Producer, Original Recording Producer
2006 Greatest Hits [Bonus Track] Journey Producer
2006 Stone Cold Classics Queen Producer
2006 Very Best of the Stranglers The Stranglers Producer
2006 Humours of Lewis Furey Lewis Furey Producer
2006 One Way Ticket [DVD Single] Darkness Producer, Engineer, Mixing
2006 Samuel Prody Samuel Prody Engineer

[Kahlo]

Originally Posted by davin

from www.allmusic.com, everything RTB has done:


1970 T. Rex T. Rex Engineer
1971 Electric Warrior T. Rex Engineer

1978 Cars The Cars Producer

1984 Go Insane Lindsey Buckingham Executive Producer

1985 T. Rextasy: The Best of T. Rex, 1970-1973 T. Rex Engineer

2002 Electric Warrior [Japan Bonus Tracks] T. Rex Engineer

2003 Electric Warrior [Expanded] T. Rex Engineer

2004 T. Rex [Expanded Edition] T. Rex Engineer

*drools"

[Banana]

Sweet. So I guess we can expect the album to release around winter/spring time?

[Hammerite]

Originally Posted by Banana03

Sweet. So I guess we can expect the album to release around winter/spring time?

that would be cool.
also, im sure billy will poke his nose into producing it

[wHATcOLOR]

i feel that paul hem would make a strong replacement for eric avery. he could really fill up any hole in their lineup

[Irridescent Fairysex]

Originally Posted by Kahlo

*drools"

It would be great if Tony Visconti was on board too. I remember he named the pumpkins as the current band he would like to work with. That was a long time ago though.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Kahlo

wow I feel I can talk now

go ahead.

[Irridescent Fairysex]

Kahlo, spill the beans and I'll mail you naked autographed Sean Bean pics.

[ZEROpumpkins]

1999? Probably some clue...unless referring to recording but I think we already stamped out that fire.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

maybe machina was never a pumpkins album and it's all part of the mystery and the album they were going to release back in 1999 is still to be released!!!

i mean, yeah, way to go, rtb.

[SmashingGage]

Originally Posted by Kahlo

wow I feel I can talk now

Not fair to tease, just talk.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

and with talk, we mean tell us something new. don't go all like "yeah, i knew this all along, it was so hard to not tell anyone omg im gonna cry now wah wah"

OK?

[harrow]

GO Kahlo say it!!!!

[Floppy Nono]

great to hear this news but still...what about mister james iha?

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by ZackZ

Ya, that's really great. Oh wait, have you heard the Zwan album? I think that was the same idea. Billy can't write for shit if he's actually trying, or it just doesn't come out very cohesive. Zwan and his solo album are good examples. I personally think both endeavors offered some great music, but a lot of it seems forced.

I think Billy (and the band) went for it on SD though, surely?

I think he is going back to his old ways for this album. Jimmy said they had already written 40 songs and that was back in February. I think the process that works is write a shitload of songs, and put together the ones that work the best, like with MCIS. I suppose Zwan did the same thing and most of the good songs didn't end up on the album, so I guess it could go either way.

40 tracks is a helluva lot to be working on for a regular length album. Does this mean we have TAFH part 2 to look forward to? Maybe even a follow up to Pastichio Medley...

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by Averageprheight

OKAY...so I have some mixed feelings about this news.

First off, Roy Thomas Baker has produced some of the greatest classic rock albums of all time including Queen's epic "A Night At The Opera" however he also produced arguably the worst Yes album in their entire discography in "Tormato".
Rick Wakeman himself has said that while Tormato indeed had potential, Yes never got the best out of some of the material, while Steve Howe admitted that Yes were unsure of themselves musically at the time.

That kind of sucks because it might just mean that Roy doesn't exactly bring out all the potential a certain song may have.


HOWEVER...
The GREAT part of this news is it seems like the Pumpkins are going for a classic rock vibe.
Which makes me 10 million times more excited for this.

I wouldn't blame him for the mess of Tormato - they had lots of problems with regards to artistic direction and personality clashes at this time. Going for the One was the last great Yes album, before they devolved into quasi pop-rock mediocrity.

OK, I'm alarmed at some of the bands he's worked with - the ghastley T'Pau being a prime example - but no producer can turn horse-shit into gold dust.

[harrow]

I don't know who is in....sorry.