TFE is my favourite album since machina.

Izzle · 07-29-2006, 03:16 PM

should i seek professional help?

mccririck · 07-29-2006, 03:33 PM

Izzle · 07-29-2006, 03:35 PM

thanks john.

pete · 07-29-2006, 05:10 PM

TFE is cool man stop dicking on it

mccririck · 07-29-2006, 05:14 PM

But I'm not clicking on it.

Pretzel Logic · 07-29-2006, 05:23 PM

Well the choices were either MSOTS or TFE. You had to pick the lesser of two evils.

Rawker17 · 07-29-2006, 06:49 PM

TFE is good. Just because some people can't deal with change doesn't mean that something's not good.

The Melty Man · 07-29-2006, 09:36 PM

When TFE was released, it made me realise how rubbish all the music I'd started to listen to in the absence of Corgan was. Just a pity there weren't more songs, b-sides, anything, to go with it. But then I suppose that's what the reunion is about.

brendo_91 · 07-29-2006, 09:42 PM

Favourite billy album - or favourite album album?

soluko · 07-29-2006, 09:49 PM

MSOTS was so better than TFE. Zwan was a good band, but they saved their best songs for oblivion.

tcm · 07-29-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brendo_91

Favourite billy album - or favourite album album?

GREAT ALBUM - OR THE GREATEST ALBUM?

The Melty Man · 07-30-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tcm

GREAT ALBUM - OR THE GREATEST ALBUM?

I don't think TFE will ever try to take that title.

Kahlo · 07-30-2006, 02:50 AM

Yep I always wished he would release TFE - Acoustic as a counterpoint.. more singles perhaps even some vinyl or b sides... but noooo

Sometimes I wish he would release all the material he sits on... just for me.

And I really like TFE... listening to it reminds me of wandering around London before the forum shows..

Izzle · 07-30-2006, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahlo

Yep I always wished he would release TFE - Acoustic as a counterpoint.. more singles perhaps even some vinyl or b sides... but noooo

Sometimes I wish he would release all the material he sits on... just for me.

And I really like TFE... listening to it reminds me of wandering around London before the forum shows..

yeah, shame we didn't meet up, i was there the 2nd night and met christhimself and radiofred

Izzle · 07-30-2006, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brendo_91

Favourite billy album - or favourite album album?

album album. i love other bands, but billy has that musical midas touch. anything he does just completely overrides my love for anything else. and i think TFE is honestly just as good, or possibly better, than anything he's ever done. it is a work of formidable vision and talent.

Kahlo · 07-30-2006, 05:32 AM

they met me as well apparently, I do remember it briefly. Think i met marrsguitar or spguitar one of them anyway.

Rockin' Cherub · 07-30-2006, 09:20 AM

fine, it isn't mine. what's the point of this

Izzle · 07-30-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

fine, it isn't mine. what's the point of this

what the heck is that flower icon under your rep bar?

RenewRevive · 07-30-2006, 10:03 AM

There's nothing wrong with liking tfe.

My not liking it proved to me that I'd not lost my musical objectivity, at least.

soluko · 07-30-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Izzle

what the heck is that flower icon under your rep bar?

I didn't think people still used ICQ.

I did back in the day.

Memories.

tcm · 07-30-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Melty Man

I don't think TFE will ever try to take that title.

i'll just put you down for great then.

Luke de Spa · 07-30-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzle

album album. i love other bands, but billy has that musical midas touch. anything he does just completely overrides my love for anything else. and i think TFE is honestly just as good, or possibly better, than anything he's ever done. it is a work of formidable vision and talent.

how is it better than, say, kid a

Izzle · 07-30-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

how is it better than, say, kid a

well, i love kid a, but i guess i can give a few reasons.

-i find kid a rather patchy and not as cohesive as tfe.
-kid a is mostly a very cold, calculated, computronic record. i think radiohead's more abstract works often go over people's heads, mine inkluded. tfe, whilst sonically far-fetched, is still rooted firmly in place by billy's emotional songwriting. as i've said before, radiohead nowadays tend to write with their minds, whilst billy writes with his heart. and i think emotional rather than supposedly intelligent music will always be more profound.
-tfe is a more satisfying album on repeated listens. buried in the wash of distortion and synth are innovative, driving melodies and some very effective soundscaping, moulded into shape with excellent production. kid a feels very flat and icy to me, and its so musically self-interested that it shuts me out, i don't feel like there is much to identify with or explore in it.
-you've got to look at the wider vision: tfe has the bizarre but awesome punktorian futuristic visual backdrop to set the music against and give it some kind of context- as an allegory for what "thefutureembrace" actually is, he revisits a previous era in modern revolution and revamps it. kid a may evoke similarly dystopian visions, but in an altogether stranger, more displaced way. it just doesn't work on as many levels as tfe.

corganzero · 07-30-2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzle

well, i love kid a, but i guess i can give a few reasons.

-i find kid a rather patchy and not as cohesive as tfe.
-kid a is mostly a very cold, calculated, computronic record. i think radiohead's more abstract works often go over people's heads, mine inkluded. tfe, whilst sonically far-fetched, is still rooted firmly in place by billy's emotional songwriting. as i've said before, radiohead nowadays tend to write with their minds, whilst billy writes with his heart. and i think emotional rather than supposedly intelligent music will always be more profound.
-tfe is a more satisfying album on repeated listens. buried in the wash of distortion and synth are innovative, driving melodies and some very effective soundscaping, moulded into shape with excellent production. kid a feels very flat and icy to me, and its so musically self-interested that it shuts me out, i don't feel like there is much to identify with or explore in it.
-you've got to look at the wider vision: tfe has the bizarre but awesome punktorian futuristic visual backdrop to set the music against and give it some kind of context- as an allegory for what "thefutureembrace" actually is, he revisits a previous era in modern revolution and revamps it. kid a may evoke similarly dystopian visions, but in an altogether stranger, more displaced way. it just doesn't work on as many levels as tfe.

you fucking win.

and like Kahlo says, listening to TFE reminds me of hanging out in Chicago before the show, or at the adler release party.

redbreegull · 07-30-2006, 08:51 PM

Woaw, nice post Izzle. I agree whole heartedly. I have found there to be some very sincere emotions routed throughout TFE that give it the same human touch the rest of Corgan's work thrives off of. First and foremost TFE is an album about Corgan, a lot of the songs seem to be connected with who he is and how he feels (All Things Change, Mina Loy, Camera Eye, Strayz, I'm Ready) and that in itself makes it fascinating in a way that very few albums are. Listening to TFE is like seeing the world from Corgan's perspective.

davin · 07-30-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izzle

well, i love kid a, but i guess i can give a few reasons.

-i find kid a rather patchy and not as cohesive as tfe.
-kid a is mostly a very cold, calculated, computronic record. i think radiohead's more abstract works often go over people's heads, mine inkluded. tfe, whilst sonically far-fetched, is still rooted firmly in place by billy's emotional songwriting. as i've said before, radiohead nowadays tend to write with their minds, whilst billy writes with his heart. and i think emotional rather than supposedly intelligent music will always be more profound.
-tfe is a more satisfying album on repeated listens. buried in the wash of distortion and synth are innovative, driving melodies and some very effective soundscaping, moulded into shape with excellent production. kid a feels very flat and icy to me, and its so musically self-interested that it shuts me out, i don't feel like there is much to identify with or explore in it.
-you've got to look at the wider vision: tfe has the bizarre but awesome punktorian futuristic visual backdrop to set the music against and give it some kind of context- as an allegory for what "thefutureembrace" actually is, he revisits a previous era in modern revolution and revamps it. kid a may evoke similarly dystopian visions, but in an altogether stranger, more displaced way. it just doesn't work on as many levels as tfe.

i generally find myself in agreement with this post.

i also think if Luke De Spa would have mentioned Hail to the Thief, the defense of TFE would have been SUBSTANTIALLY more difficult, if not impossible.

I personally put TFE on a similar level as Kid A and Amnesiac (i.e. somewhat disappointing intially, with some tracks that are severely lacking, but still overall a good listen from time to time as long as its not too often).

Corgan Rules · 07-30-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawker17

TFE is good. Just because some people can't deal with change doesn't mean that something's not good.

Exactly! I have been saying this for a long time. Screw all these losers that are stuck in the past, just like about 90% of these fake fans here.

Pretzel Logic · 07-30-2006, 09:19 PM

In the words of Billy himself, all things change and so does his musical styles.

Izzle · 07-31-2006, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by davin

i also think if Luke De Spa would have mentioned Hail to the Thief, the defense of TFE would have been SUBSTANTIALLY more difficult, if not impossible.

but HTTT is a very very different album from TFE. i think kid a and tfe are about as close a comparison as one could get. unless you want to start talking about the eraser again

Izzle · 07-31-2006, 02:21 AM

i don't remember hearing about any others. too bad really, i was up for a punktorian breakdance video

07-29-2006, 03:16 PM	#1
Izzle Banned Posts: 6,224	TFE is my favourite album since machina. should i seek professional help?

07-29-2006, 03:33 PM	#2
mccririck Apocalyptic Poster Location: Spa Posts: 3,884	Yes.

07-31-2006, 02:21 AM	#30
Izzle Banned Posts: 6,224	so was walking shade the only single off tfe? i don't remember hearing about any others. too bad really, i was up for a punktorian breakdance video

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07-29-2006, 03:35 PM	#3
Izzle Banned Posts: 6,224	thanks john.

07-29-2006, 05:10 PM	#4
pete Apocalyptic Poster Location: London Posts: 1,597	TFE is cool man stop dicking on it

07-29-2006, 05:14 PM	#5
mccririck Apocalyptic Poster Location: Spa Posts: 3,884	But I'm not clicking on it.

07-29-2006, 05:23 PM	#6
Pretzel Logic Apocalyptic Poster Location: someone more...punk rock? Posts: 3,563	Well the choices were either MSOTS or TFE. You had to pick the lesser of two evils.

07-29-2006, 06:49 PM	#7
Rawker17 Oblivious Virgin Location: Ponca City, OK USA Posts: 30	TFE is good. Just because some people can't deal with change doesn't mean that something's not good.

07-29-2006, 09:36 PM	#8
The Melty Man Ownz Location: I wanted my band back, and my songs, and my dreams. Now that I've got them, it just doesn't feel right... Posts: 828	When TFE was released, it made me realise how rubbish all the music I'd started to listen to in the absence of Corgan was. Just a pity there weren't more songs, b-sides, anything, to go with it. But then I suppose that's what the reunion is about.

07-29-2006, 09:42 PM	#9
brendo_91 Minion of Satan Location: ██████████ Posts: 6,474	Favourite billy album - or favourite album album?

07-29-2006, 09:49 PM	#10
soluko Pledge Posts: 142	MSOTS was so better than TFE. Zwan was a good band, but they saved their best songs for oblivion.

07-30-2006, 02:50 AM	#13
Kahlo Beffen separatist. Location: Lovephoria Posts: 16,319	Yep I always wished he would release TFE - Acoustic as a counterpoint.. more singles perhaps even some vinyl or b sides... but noooo Sometimes I wish he would release all the material he sits on... just for me. And I really like TFE... listening to it reminds me of wandering around London before the forum shows..

07-30-2006, 05:32 AM	#16
Kahlo Beffen separatist. Location: Lovephoria Posts: 16,319	they met me as well apparently, I do remember it briefly. Think i met marrsguitar or spguitar one of them anyway.

07-30-2006, 09:20 AM	#17
Rockin' Cherub Braindead Location: the amazing year 400 million Posts: 18,207	fine, it isn't mine. what's the point of this

07-30-2006, 10:03 AM	#19
RenewRevive Apocalyptic Poster Location: Ex-Netphoria Legends Football champion Posts: 4,499	There's nothing wrong with liking tfe. My not liking it proved to me that I'd not lost my musical objectivity, at least.

07-30-2006, 08:51 PM	#25
redbreegull Socialphobic Location: listen you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth Posts: 11,454	Woaw, nice post Izzle. I agree whole heartedly. I have found there to be some very sincere emotions routed throughout TFE that give it the same human touch the rest of Corgan's work thrives off of. First and foremost TFE is an album about Corgan, a lot of the songs seem to be connected with who he is and how he feels (All Things Change, Mina Loy, Camera Eye, Strayz, I'm Ready) and that in itself makes it fascinating in a way that very few albums are. Listening to TFE is like seeing the world from Corgan's perspective.

07-30-2006, 09:19 PM	#28
Pretzel Logic Apocalyptic Poster Location: someone more...punk rock? Posts: 3,563	In the words of Billy himself, all things change and so does his musical styles.