what are the reasons that the US supports Israel?

[Luke de Spa]

1. priory of zion
2. bilderberg group

= reptilians

[Kahlo]

The ACTUAL reason is that the US sells billions in arms to Israel and it doesn't want to lose one of its most lucrative customers.

The US caused outrage in the UK last week when 2 large transport jets landed to refuel at Prestwick airport (near my home) filled with bunker bombs for Israel.

[Andrew_Pakula]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

What a ridiculous comment. Is there more to this or is it just for shock value?

It is true though.... if you took away all U.S. financial and military support then Israel would be in big trouble, their status as a sovereign nation is artificially maintained by massive support from the U.S., with out it then all of Israel's neighbors have a more realistic chance of fighting back against Israel if they chose to do so. Although, Israel still has their nuclear card they are hiding up their sleeve so if they did start to fold like a house of cards then you might see that card appear.

[Andrew_Pakula]

Originally Posted by Kahlo

The ACTUAL reason is that the US sells billions in arms to Israel and it doesn't want to lose one of its most lucrative customers.

Yea they are buying those arms with all the billions of financial aid that the U.S. gives them.

[Kahlo]

GOD BLESS THE US!!

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

1. priory of zion
2. bilderberg group

= reptilians

Shit. How did I neglect to mention the Reptilian Conspiracy?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

Yea they are buying those arms with all the billions of financial aid that the U.S. gives them.

They aren't actually buying the arms at all. They've used the money to develop weapons like the Uzi and the Desert Eagle .50. And in that lovely spirit of poltical doublespeak, "financial aid" also includes actual military hardware. We give that shit away to the Colombians. They're rolling around in Abrams tanks because of us.

Good points by everyone about the arms trade. I usually neglect to see the bigger picture. I'm still pissed off that the Zionist lobby had an ad in the NYT that said the current attack was "entirely unprovoked" but you know, whatever.

[Rawker17]

We felt sorry for the Jews being persecuted all those years, so we decided to give them the chance to persecute. The end.

But seriously, google it.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

What a ridiculous comment.

It's ridiculous because it's true. What do you think would happen to Israel if the U.S. didn't support it? Considering all the turmoil the country is already enduring, and the fact that it's surrounded by unfriendly countries that would love for nothing more to throw the Jews out of territory they believe is rightfully Islam's, if the U.S. pulled the plug on its support to Israel, the country would indeed be fucked.

[DeviousJ]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

They aren't actually buying the arms at all. They've used the money to develop weapons like the Uzi and the Desert Eagle .50. And in that lovely spirit of poltical doublespeak, "financial aid" also includes actual military hardware. We give that shit away to the Colombians. They're rolling around in Abrams tanks because of us.

Well there is defense R&D that gets shared so the US benefits that way, but they do buy arms from the US.

"FMF (Foreign Military Financing) represents about 21 percent of Israel’s defense budget and is crucial to Israel’s multi-year defense modernization plan. The FY 2007 FMF request will enable the Israeli government to meet cash flow requirements associated with the procurement of U.S.-origin systems, such as F-16I fighter aircraft, the Apache Longbow attack helicopter, field vehicles, and advanced armaments. Israel also will be eligible in FY 2007 to receive Excess Defense Articles under section 516 of the Foreign Assistance Act for defense maintenance, spare parts, support equipment and other needs."

http://www.state.gov/s/d/rm/rls/cbj/

There's no simple answer to why the US supports Israel to such an extent, but if you look at them as an ally, and a proxy, and as a potential seed for a pro-US presence in the region then you're probably hitting a lot of the pragmatic reasons (yes I did that on purpose)

[PkPhuoko]

1) Religious center for the dominant religion(s) in the US
2) Strategic location in the middle east
3) Prominance of Jews in American society regarding the media
4) hi-amount of zionist nations in our half of the world, namely carribean countries whom we are allied with who while aren't a vocal part of the world are vocally against muslims

[DeviousJ]

Originally Posted by PkPhuoko

4) hi-amount of zionist nations in our half of the world, namely carribean countries whom we are allied with who while aren't a vocal part of the world are vocally against muslims

What the hell

[Kahlo]

yep I would like some elaboration on that please!!

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by DeviousJ

What the hell

he's iron like a lion in zion

[DeviousJ]

When Saint Kitts says 'jump' you say 'how high?'

[Pretzel Logic]

The U.S. should mind their own business. We have so many problem in our own country but we have to stick our nose into every international problem. And we wonder why other nations hate us.

[ella]

Originally Posted by Pretzel Logic

The U.S. should mind their own business. We have so many problem in our own country but we have to stick our nose into every international problem. And we wonder why other nations hate us.

Exactly.

But we also sit here, and sell many ME countries massive amounts of weapons... and then we wonder why we feel threatened? .....That's something to ponder.

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

1. Jews live in America.
2. Jews have money.
3. Jews support Israel, for the most part.
4. Jews have created a lobby to support israel.
5. Lobby is extremely powerful, see #2.

I hope this clarifies things.

Moronic reply, bordering on aryan style rhetoric.

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by DeviousJ

There's no simple answer to why the US supports Israel to such an extent, but if you look at them as an ally, and a proxy, and as a potential seed for a pro-US presence in the region then you're probably hitting a lot of the pragmatic reasons (yes I did that on purpose)

I can't believe it took 2 pages for someone to finally get it right. Amazing how bigoted and knee-jerk everyone gets at the slightest mention of Israel. It's conveninent geopolitically speaking for the U.S. to support Israel. That's all. None of this Elders of Zion bullshit.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Pretzel Logic

And we wonder why other nations hate us.

It probably has more to do with which international problems we stikc our noses into.

Aside from the ones we outright cause, that is.

[Thaniel Buckner]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

1. god creates dinosaurs
2. god destroys dinosaurs
3. god creates man
4. man destroys god
5. man creates dinosaurs

I hope this clarifies things.

it does thank you very much

[ohnoitsella2222]

thaniel post a pic of you!!!

[zbeast78]

it is funny how fast people can become anti-semetic. yes, we all agree that israel is in the wrong in this current lebanon situation. but you guys are starting to sound like Mel Gibson with all of our zionist conspirasys & this "jews control the media" rhetoric. i mean seriously, there are regimes killing thousands of people right now all over the world.

[PkPhuoko]

I sympathize with the jews but still doesnt mean they arent knee deep in the american media

[DeviousJ]

Originally Posted by PkPhuoko

I sympathize with the jews but still doesnt mean they arent knee deep in the american media

ya mon

[Nimrod's Son]

clint should sign up for j-date

[PkPhuoko]

If the bitch can make Latkes i'll fuck her

[Effloresce]

My politics are ridiculously liberal, but it distrubs me to know that just because I'm not happy with Israel right now, I may be grouped in with a bunch of neo-nazi Jew haters. Not true.

I don't think Israel needs wiped off the map, and I'm certainly not one of those people that just throws up their arms and says "welllllll it should have never been there, duh" just for the sake of running away from an otherwise lengthy argument. Even if Israel shouldn't be there, it is, it has been, and will continue to be, there's nothing anyone can do about it. So that's not what I'm upset about. What pisses me off is no one can be critical of what Israel is doing.

I was listening to a liberal talk show yesterday, but the bantering didn't sound liberal at all because the host is Jewish. Granted, some idiots did call in and basically said Israel's existance is the problem, so she definitely had to defend that because such a statement is ridiculous, but she refused to find any middle ground at all. This is kind of appalling. People like her seem to assume that if you're against Israel's military actions, then it must be that it's because you hate Jews, and think Israel is a mistake. That's not true!

[DeviousJ]

Originally Posted by Effloresce

My politics are ridiculously liberal, but it distrubs me to know that just because I'm not happy with Israel right now, I may be grouped in with a bunch of neo-nazi Jew haters. Not true.

I don't think Israel needs wiped off the map, and I'm certainly not one of those people that just throws up their arms and says "welllllll it should have never been there, duh" just for the sake of running away from an otherwise lengthy argument. Even if Israel shouldn't be there, it is, it has been, and will continue to be, there's nothing anyone can do about it. So that's not what I'm upset about. What pisses me off is no one can be critical of what Israel is doing.

I was listening to a liberal talk show yesterday, but the bantering didn't sound liberal at all because the host is Jewish. Granted, some idiots did call in and basically said Israel's existance is the problem, so she definitely had to defend that because such a statement is ridiculous, but she refused to find any middle ground at all. This is kind of appalling. People like her seem to assume that if you're against Israel's military actions, then it must be that it's because you hate Jews, and think Israel is a mistake. That's not true!

This shouldn't be news to you in any way - if you speak out against any entity you'll always have people who try to claim it's out of mindless hatred, and not any kind of reason. It's the same as the whole 'why do you hate America' approach - attacking the person so you don't have to respond to their argument and potentially address some tough questions. Some people are more interested in shouting down anyone who doesn't agree with them. That's why people like Ann Coulter and that guy from Fox News are so popular - saves on thinkin'. Obviously some people find them entertaining too but there's an alarming number of people who think they're saying something worthwhile.

Basically some people are reactionary idiots, and it's worthless trying to argue with them because they have no intention of listening. Getting others to realize they're just reactionary idiots is the best thing you can do

[douglas78]

Strategic Reasons for Continuing U.S. Support

There is a broad bipartisan consensus among policymakers that Israel has advanced U.S. interest in the Middle East and beyond:

*Israel has successfully prevented victories by radical nationalist movements in Lebanon and Jordan, as well as in Palestine.

*Israel has kept Syria, for many years an ally of the Soviet Union, in check.

*Israel's air force is predominant throughout the region.
Israel's frequent wars have provided battlefield testing for American arms, often against Soviet weapons.

*It has served as a conduit for U.S. arms to regimes and movements too unpopular in the United States for openly granting direct military assistance, such as apartheid South Africa, the Islamic Republic in Iran, the military junta in Guatemala, and the Nicaraguan Contras. Israeli military advisers have assisted the Contras, the Salvadoran junta, and foreign occupation forces in Namibia and Western Sahara.

*Israel's intelligence service has assisted the U.S. in intelligence gathering and covert operations.

*Israel has missiles capable of reaching as far as the former Soviet Union, it possesses a nuclear arsenal of hundreds of weapons, and it has cooperated with the U.S. military-industrial complex with research and development for new jet fighters and anti-missile defense systems.

U.S. Aid Increases as Israel Grows Stronger