i just got an ounce for $70

[KrazeeStacee]

Honestly I'm intrigued by marijuana in the Netherlands. Sounds like my kind of paradise.

[KrazeeStacee]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

What happened to your correct use of capital letters and how come you suddenly so boldly show your feelings about a certain case? this is not the Mark I recall from other threads...

He got into some of that schwag...now he's gone all loopy on me.

[ChristHimself!]

Originally Posted by KrazeeStacee

So I guess it really just depends on what "cheap as fuck" means compared to $220 - but I'm guessing it's not less (including shipping, as you say) than $170. That's all.

It depends who you know, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you can get it for $120. Definitely $150 ozs going about in Haarlem anyway if you know folk at the coffeeshops.

You can buy prerolled joints (either pure or with tobacco) in coffeeshops but I've never done it myself. As I'm sure you know most euros roll with tobacco, so I prefer to know how much I'm using in my joint, and what's being used in fact, as there are always rumours about the weed used for prerolled joints having been pre-shaken for the crystals in one of those boxes that has a kief tray, like the one you guys have iirc.

[I_was_aborted]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

What happened to your correct use of capital letters and how come you suddenly so boldly show your feelings about a certain case? this is not the Mark I recall from other threads...

My trolls are always of very poor quality, sorry.


Don't get me wrong though, the weed you'll end up with in the netherlands is infinately better than whatever you can get here for $170 an ounce. Also I understand that Amsterdam is only a city in the Netherlands but it is the only place I've been there so it is all I have to go by. Regardless, noone should have to smoke schwag and they wouldn't if everyone just wouldn't buy it.

There is a lot more shitty weed in the Amsterdam shops that I thought there would be though, a lot of poorly made hash too. Then again, its always in the shops that really aren't that nice anyways.

[peabody]

So I know it is completely possible to smoke weed (heck, even do other drugs) and not become a helpless burnout/addict/smelly pothead, which one would cite as an example of it not being particularly addicting, or having major side-effects.

But I keep seeing/meeting people who are all into "SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY," and they smell bad, they can't speak correctly, they can't seem to do anything other than sit on their couch and listen to Foghat. 3 people have come and gone from my workplace who are avid weed smokers. They were fired within weeks because they never remembered when they were working and never did any work.

What's that all about, eh? Just personal differences in the biological reaction to THC? Gullibility? General stupidity?

The only time I smoked weed I was super drunk and puked for like 4 hours. This was like 2 years ago. Ho hum. That was some general stupidity.

[I_was_aborted]

I think slackers gravitate towards weed and other drugs because it is something you can do without really doing anything "active". Ya know what I mean? My guess would be that those people would be losers even if they didn't smoke herb. I've met many people who would just sit around on their couches all day sober if they didn't have anything to get fucked up on. Same goes for people that just sit around and drink beer all day. Anyone who is content with never doing anything active or excelling at something such as art, music, cooking, work or just anything really are general going to be losers regardless of if they use drugs, drink or maturebate to porn too much.

[peabody]

What about people I've seen who have gone from intelligent, quick, and responsible to fired, 2.7 G.P.A., and smelly in like 6 months, after discovering weed or "falling in the with wrong crowd"?

Were they destined for mediocrity? Or does weed have anything to do with it? Can't you admit somewhat that it does affect certain people differently, and while, perhaps, for you it might not cause your memory to fade, or judgement to cloud, but for others, it can.

It's like, when I drink I get happy and tired. Some people get angry and violent. Some people get incoherent and die of alcohol poisoning.

[I_was_aborted]

I completely agree that smoking weed all the time isn't for everyone. I think the same goes for psychedelics and all other drugs. I've known people that acted completely fucking stupid while they were high and I didn't enjoy being around them while they were high.

Really the only thing that I've been adamant about is that people should say that simply because >I< smoke weed that I'm going to be lazy, unmotivated or suffer any negative mental effects. I don't think it is for everyone. Hell, I hate getting drunk. The most I can really handle and enjoy is 2 to 4 beers and even then sometimes I feel bad. Then I have people I know who drink a fairly good amount every single day and they get along just fine. Drug use is a very personal thing and if you aren't responsible and mindful about how you're living your life it can negatively impact you. The biggest thing though is that anything can have that effect on someone. People ruin their lives in a variety of manners. All of them can be avoided by concious of how you're living your life.

[alexthestampede]

whats unbearable about them is their absolutism

"no we are NOT losers"... we live in a world of shades of grey guys, cmon now

[alexthestampede]

loser cant even handle 4 beers....

[I_was_aborted]

Hey buddy, I know myself very well. I think I'm the only here who really knows if I'm a loser or not.

What is funny is that you would probably admit that you are a loser. That is really sad.

[peabody]

Originally Posted by I_was_aborted

I completely agree that smoking weed all the time isn't for everyone. I think the same goes for psychedelics and all other drugs. I've known people that acted completely fucking stupid while they were high and I didn't enjoy being around them while they were high.

Really the only thing that I've been adamant about is that people should say that simply because >I< smoke weed that I'm going to be lazy, unmotivated or suffer any negative mental effects. I don't think it is for everyone. Hell, I hate getting drunk. The most I can really handle and enjoy is 2 to 4 beers and even then sometimes I feel bad. Then I have people I know who drink a fairly good amount every single day and they get along just fine. Drug use is a very personal thing and if you aren't responsible and mindful about how you're living your life it can negatively impact you. The biggest thing though is that anything can have that effect on someone. People ruin their lives in a variety of manners. All of them can be avoided by concious of how you're living your life.

Oh ok. Sounds perfectly reasonable.

I thought, from your previous posts, you were claiming that weed did nothing to anybody and was simply DEA or Tipper Gore hype.

[alexthestampede]

post a picture of yourself doing a somersault nude. a true winner would be able to pull this off

[KrazeeStacee]

Originally Posted by peabody

Oh ok. Sounds perfectly reasonable.

I thought, from your previous posts, you were claiming that weed did nothing to anybody and was simply DEA or Tipper Gore hype.

I think he meant more about the causing bronchitis, increased risk of cancer, etc. Those things haven't been proven and it's a debate that's still in the air but studies have proven that there are a lot of benificial affects from the THC in marijuana - in fact it can help defend your body against certain types of cancer, and it's also used as an expectorant because it actually expands your bronchial tubes instead of restricting them like cigarette smoke does (or something like that, don't quote me). Not the personality affects.

I would like to share my experience with drugs though, since you do seem to be honestly curious about how it affects certain people and their lives/personalities...

I started doing drugs when I was 15. I tried lsd for my first time, shortly after I tried ketamine, then marijuana, then ecstasy, then coke, a lot of weird prescription and tranquilizer drugs like ketamine mixed up in there too.

Basically from the time I was 15 until 17 I was a mess...not only was I in that kind of teenage rebellion/angsty/my life sucks kind of deal, but I also started falling in with the wrong crowd like you said. I ended up taking 5 hits of acid and running away from home. I was so unbearable my Mom sent me to live with my Dad in Elgin and I was days away from completely blowing off school (which I was rarely attending and failing all of my classes). I was in band and that summer I didn't go to our summer practices or anything. I just wanted to hang out with my friends and do drugs. I snuck out of my Dad's house then and lived on the streets with my other homeless friends for a few weeks before I finally hit bottom. It was resolved by a big thing between my Mom and I - I moved back home, went back to school just in time for the school year to start, and eventually what put me back on track was a speech from my band instructor, who at the time was probably the single most influencial person in my life.

Basically I realized that this isn't what I want to do with my life, etc etc - I quit drugs altogether and thought they were evil, evil things. I wouldn't even touch a joint.

A few years later I realized that was also pretty unrealistic and I just started casually smoking pot with my best friend. When I met Mark (which was something like 3 years ago), I started doing psychedelics again and I realized that there's more to these drugs than just partying and getting fucked up. Not only was smoking marijuana everyday helping me with issues like my back pain, my eating habits (I was probably borderline anorexic or something), and my sleep - but it also relaxed me a lot more and I realized that I could still be a responsible adult while doing it. Psychedelics are totally different thing - it's more of a spiritual thing for me now...not only is it something I enjoy doing with Mark because it seems that we connect so well, but I also like to do them alone as more of an introspective refreshment for my mind and soul. Sound cheesy, I know...but really it is. I get stressed out really easily and I'm pretty sure I have manic depression - we try to take either acid or mushrooms at least once a month and afterward I really feel like I'm more balanced.

All the while I still maintain a good job, I'm moving ahead with my career, I have a nice apartment and I take care of two dogs, pay my bills, etc. I have a better relationship now with my family then I ever have. Especially my Mom.

So I mean, having experienced both sides of the spectrum, I can say that it definitely depends upon the ambitions, motivations and mindset of the user. Sorry that was so long but I just felt like sharing.

[transluscent]

Originally Posted by KrazeeStacee

I think he meant more about the causing bronchitis...(snip)

Bronchitis is defined as inflammation of the bronchi.

Smoke causes this, right?

Marijuana produces smoke unless I am not mistaken.

[KrazeeStacee]

Originally Posted by transluscent

Bronchitis is defined as inflammation of the bronchi.

Smoke causes this, right?

Marijuana produces smoke unless I am not mistaken.

Right but different types of smoke have different compositions. It's a lot more complex than just saying smoke = bronchitis.

[transluscent]

so there is smoke that doesnt irritate your lungs?

(not sarcastic here, I really am not sure).

[KrazeeStacee]

No...smoke will irritate your lungs. But that's not to say that marijuana is bad for you - there are other ways to ingest marijuana. You can get pills or eat it in food (bud butter) and vaporizing...which isn't harmful to your lungs.

[transluscent]

so basically marijuana smoke can cause bronchitis then?

[I_was_aborted]

Also smoking doesn't effect everyone the same. Not everyone who smokes develops bronchitis or other afflictions. Even the same goes for tobacco. I think I read somewhere that about 25% of tobacco smokers get cancer. You won't even be able to find a document where cancer was actually attributed to marijuana smoking and if you do it'll be vague. One of the problems with dispelling the drug myths is the fact that it is so hard to get to perform real tests with these drugs. You can however find a several links to studies like this: http://www.terradaily.com/reports/No...t_Smokers.html I've read several reports of thc helping in preventing cancer as well.

[alexthestampede]

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[KrazeeStacee]

Originally Posted by transluscent

so basically marijuana smoke can cause bronchitis then?

Here, I just found this searching for some info:

http://www.acmed.org/english/faq/03-asthma.htm

# British Medical Association
Acute doses of cannabis and THC exert a definitive bronchodilator effect on the small airways of the lungs. The mechanism of this effect is not known, but it appears to be different from that of other drugs used at present as bronchodilators for asthma. (…) However, there have been very few studies on the bronchodilator effects of cannabinoids in asthmatic patients. All of these were studies carried out in the 1970s. Tashkin et al. studied 14 asthmatic volunteers and compared smoked cannabis (2%THC), oral THC (15mg) and the drug isoprenaline (0.5%). They found that smoked cannabis and oral THC produced significant bronchodilatation of at least two hours duration. The effect of smoked cannabis was nearly equivalent to the clinical dose of isoprenaline. Smoked cannabis was also capable of reversing experimentally induced bronchospasm in three asthmatic subjects. (…) Williams et al. compared a THC aerosol containing 0.2 mg THC with a salbutamol aerosol (0.1 mg) in 10 asthmatic subjects. Both drugs significantly improved respiratory function. The onset of effect was more rapid with salbutamol, but the effects of both drugs were equivalent at one hour. Tashkin et al. compared several doses of THC aerosol (5-20mg) with a standard dose of isoprenaline in 11 normal volunteers and five asthmatic subjects. In the normal subjects and three of the asthmatics, the bronchodilator effect of THC was less than that of isoprenaline after five minutes, but significantly greater after one to three hours.
(Please note: This text has been taken from a scientific article. Some sentences have been changed to improve understandability.)
British Medical Association: Therapeutic Uses of Cannabis. Amsterdam: Harwood Academic Publishers, 1997.

You should read the rest though on that page too if you're curious.


Basically marijuana smoke isn't GOOD for you, but if the THC content is high enough (like in good weed heh), then it can actually be benificial.

Apparently it is being used to treat lung problems. That was my point about the difference in the content of the smoke. No smoke is good for you because it's burning plant matter which contains carcinogens to some degree - but the fact that the THC is present actually can reverse or compensate for some of those negative affects.

[I_was_aborted]

Originally Posted by alexthestampede

i dont understand why people make such a deal about different strains... is there something in marijuana besides THC that gets you high? why not just grow a lot of reasonable yield marijuana and extract the thc. you could probably fit more in a pill than you could ever consume smoking

There is a difference between the way the thc is on an Indica plant compared to a Sativa plant. Those are the two different types of marijuana plants. Indica is described as more of a couch lock high where as Sativa is more of a heady high which doesn't make you tired. You still get "stoned" with both but the effects are quite different. The two different kinds also grow quite differently with Sativas being a lot taller and taking longer to grow and flower. The reason people care about different strains is because strains are either pure indica, pure sativa or a hybrid of the two. I believe the difference is caused by how the cannabinoids change on the plant. Even the time of harvesting herb can change the way the high feels. It is dependent upon the trichomes being clear, cloudy or amber.

As far as growing a lot of reasonable yield marijuana and extracting the thc, people have been doing that for thousands of years. That is what hash is. Most weed that is made into hash is shitty weed. In Morocco for instance, they'll grow a whole field of weed. They don't pull the male plants so they pollenate the females. The weed itself after it is harvested and dried is shitty weed, full of seeds and over-mature. They don't even seperate the male plants. They simply beat all of the thc off of the plants and filter it through screens removing all of the plant matter. They are left with a big bowl of kief which they then put in a press to put it into brick for. This way it stores better and it easier to transport. Regardless, hash is great because they filter all of the shitty plant matter and you can still get enough thc from 20 shitty plants to get you high. Still though, there are different grades of hash and the better the weed to start with the better the hash.

[KrazeeStacee]

Well. I guess we solved that then.

[ohnotisbonnie]

drugs are bad like woax

[FearFactory]

Originally Posted by CYCLE_23

No, it is shitty weed. Trust me I smoke everyday and the price I pay is anywhere from $50.00 to $65.00 for an 1/8 of a ounce. Therefore there is no way You could be smoking good weed.

those are california prices, though. you have to realize that the price is going to be different wherever you go. some people can get it cheaper because they've been going through the same dealer for such a long time.

[FearFactory]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

or what is the quantity that's needed for a decent joint? wasn't it 1 gram?

well, if you grind it, it's going to probably come out to a gram, but about half a gram is a good size for a joint. it's also a waste and I prefer to not smoke joints, but sometimes stealth is required.

[wally]

I've always wondered if drug users spend more time doing their drugs or researching reasons to convince others they aren't dipshits for doing them.

[FearFactory]

I think it's fairly important to do research, but you don't mean to tell me that you think marijuana is worse for you than say, alcohol, tobacco or soda?

[wally]

you're talking to a guy who has had enough alcohol in his life to fill a can of miller lite and never done any drugs.

you probably don't want to have this conversation with me.