Album Sales?

Poet of Zwan · 06-09-2006, 04:49 AM

Is there any website that has measured album sales for all Smashing Pumpkins albums? I know they dont mean everything, but it would still be fairly interesting info.

In particular, I'm curious as to how well Adore sold.

yoursevendreams · 06-09-2006, 05:12 AM

last I heard they were like this
gish 1 million
sd 4 million
pisces 1 million
mcis 8 million
adore 1 million
machina 500,000
tafh 1 million

correct me if i'm wrong.

Saih · 06-09-2006, 05:22 AM

Gish US Sales 1.1 million
Siamese Dream US Sales 4.6 million
Pisces Iscariot US Sales 1.3 million
MCIS US 9.4 million
TAFH 300,000
Adore US Sales 1.1 million
Machina US Sales 582,000
Greatest Hits US Sales 729,000

Obviously world figures would be substantially greater, what I want to know is how much money they would have made from album sales against concert ticket sales.

Rider · 06-09-2006, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Saih

Gish US Sales 1.1 million
Siamese Dream US Sales 4.6 million
Pisces Iscariot US Sales 1.3 million
MCIS US 9.4 million
TAFH 300,000
Adore US Sales 1.1 million
Machina US Sales 582,000
Greatest Hits US Sales 729,000

Obviously world figures would be substantially greater, what I want to know is how much money they would have made from album sales against concert ticket sales.

Wow never realized that Machina barely even went gold.

Phoenix Down · 06-09-2006, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Saih

Obviously world figures would be substantially greater, what I want to know is how much money they would have made from album sales against concert ticket sales.

who do you mean by "they"? the label or the band? i assume you mean the band...and the band gets $ 1 for every sold album if they made a really good deal. probably less. concert ticket sales are practically always higher than album sales. the money cake in the music industry gets divided into so many little pieces, it's ridiculous. the only way to get rich is to earn at as many stages in the process as possible. at least billy earns for composing, writing lyrics and performance.

Phoenix Down · 06-09-2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider

Wow never realized that Machina barely even went gold.

i think the GH sales are pretty disappointing

Saih · 06-09-2006, 06:38 AM

Yeah I was talking about what the band got for it, and less than a dollar you've got to be kiding? Is that $1 for each member or to be divided into quarters, fuck thats terrible. I bought MCIS for $40AU when it came out, take away the stores earnings thats still a lot going to the record company.

dean moriaty · 06-09-2006, 06:51 AM

the mcis figures need dividing by two because all the RIAA sales figures count a double album as two sales

Phoenix Down · 06-09-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Saih

Yeah I was talking about what the band got for it, and less than a dollar you've got to be kiding? Is that $1 for each member or to be divided into quarters, fuck thats terrible. I bought MCIS for $40AU when it came out, take away the stores earnings thats still a lot going to the record company.

i don't quite remember how the deals usually are, but take a look at this:
Cost centre / Percentage
Labels 26 %
Distribution 23 %
Retail 20 %
Taxes (Germany) 14 %
Artist 7 %
GEMA (association
for artists and copyrights) 6 %
Production 4 %

This is for the german market, which is very similar to the american . So 7 % isn't really a lot, but a little more than $ 1. as i said it all depends on how much you are involved in composing and stuff. Billy Corgan as composer & singer gets more than, say, britney spears, who only earns for performance

Punkishlyevil · 06-09-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

i don't quite remember how the deals usually are, but take a look at this:
Cost centre / Percentage
Labels 26 %
Distribution 23 %
Retail 20 %
Taxes (Germany) 14 %
Artist 7 %
GEMA (association
for artists and copyrights) 6 %
Production 4 %

This is for the german market, which is very similar to the american . So 7 % isn't really a lot, but a little more than $ 1. as i said it all depends on how much you are involved in composing and stuff. Billy Corgan as composer & singer gets more than, say, britney spears, who only earns for performance

7% on a 14 dollar album is only 98 cents. Most albums in new stores cost about 14 dollars so if its under that they will get a little over a dollar, but at places that cost a ton for the CD, like 18 dollars, they will get quite a bit less than a dollar.

Jackbox · 06-09-2006, 07:53 AM

So they'll get less money when the CD costs more, but more money when the CD costs less?

davin · 06-09-2006, 09:17 AM

SAIH has it right as shown here.

You frequently see the blurb "sold over 40 million albums worldwide" which means they sold more than double the US sales throughout the rest of the world.

Pheeew · 06-09-2006, 09:29 AM

it probably doesn't matter how much you bought the CD for at retail price. Retailers mark the price up, likely 20% or more. I would assume that the band and label and production, etc. get their cut from the cost charged to the stores and warehouses.

Ramdust · 06-09-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by yoursevendreams

last I heard they were like this
gish 1 million
sd 4 million
pisces 1 million
mcis 8 million
adore 1 million
machina 500,000
tafh 1 million

correct me if i'm wrong.

You forgot one...

The Future Embrace - 87

davin · 06-09-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramdust

You forgot one...

The Future Embrace - 87

your joke made me look it up.....69,000

pretty bad.

you can argue that the poor marketing was at fault, or the poor reaction to the walking shade single, or perhaps everyone downloaded it and hated it, so they never bought it. i'm sure its all of the above, since the general population appears to be as disappointed as netphoria, despite mixed album reviews.

too be honest, i knew it would the be the lowest, but I thought more people would buy it based on the promising 4-track promo and a100 being leaked....and then become disappointed after hearing the whole thing....as opposed to not even buying it in the first place.

Punkishlyevil · 06-09-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackbox

So they'll get less money when the CD costs more, but more money when the CD costs less?

Quite obviously, it was morning and I wasn't thinking straight, therefore writing my post backwards.

Jackbox · 06-09-2006, 10:10 AM

How much did MSOTS sell?

myosis · 06-09-2006, 10:45 AM

can i know where you find the numbers ? i'd like to be able to check a couple things.

davin · 06-09-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by myosis

can i know where you find the numbers ? i'd like to be able to check a couple things.

my post above has the link for SP sales info. for the rest, use

davin · 06-09-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackbox

How much did MSOTS sell?

all i could find was this, which says 250,000 as of april 2003. http://www.zwanmusic.org/newsarchive/197.html

myosis · 06-09-2006, 10:54 AM

ok, i thought there was some secret site. searching for "album sales" sure doesn't get me anywhere.

Ramdust · 06-09-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by myosis

ok, i thought there was some secret site. searching for "album sales" sure doesn't get me anywhere.

RIAA.com will tell you, but only gold and platinum, and zwan doesn't come up so they must have sold less than 500,000.

Dunker · 06-10-2006, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramdust

You forgot one...

The Future Embrace - 87

RenewRevive · 06-10-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

as i said it all depends on how much you are involved in composing and stuff. Billy Corgan as composer & singer gets more than, say, britney spears, who only earns for performance

Yeah, Billy definitely got (probably considerably) more than the others from record sales as the songwriter - the fact that he was the singer doesn't come into it. He mentioned in his blog that he got a $1m advance from Virgin for SD; pretty sure the others got a lot less than this!

I would assume revenue generated from touring would be divided more equitably.

DeviousJ · 06-10-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RenewRevive

Yeah, Billy definitely got (probably considerably) more than the others from record sales as the songwriter - the fact that he was the singer doesn't come into it. He mentioned in his blog that he got a $1m advance from Virgin for SD; pretty sure the others got a lot less than this!

An advance is a loan the band uses to record the album and to support themselves during recording. They have to pay it back, and it comes out of their royalty cut. They don't earn any royalties until the advance and other costs are recouped by the label

e10sc · 06-10-2006, 08:59 PM

I'm curious as to how well D'arcy's living right now that she's doing absolutely nothing (not counting drugs).

DeviousJ · 06-10-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by e10sc

I'm curious as to how well D'arcy's living right now that she's doing absolutely nothing (not counting drugs).

So because she's not in the band she's 'doing absolutely nothing'?

e10sc · 06-10-2006, 09:45 PM

I'm assuming she's doing nothing because I don't see what she needs to be doing. I'm sure she's well enough off and has investments and stuff not to need to work at the local ihop.

KAT · 06-10-2006, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramdust

You forgot one...

The Future Embrace - 87

Your avatar is awesome

RenewRevive · 06-11-2006, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeviousJ

An advance is a loan the band uses to record the album and to support themselves during recording. They have to pay it back, and it comes out of their royalty cut. They don't earn any royalties until the advance and other costs are recouped by the label

Makes sense. So the $1m that Billy mentioned as getting from Virgin in 92 - in anticipation of SD selling 1 million units - would be due to him being primary songwriter, yes? The advance given to the other band members would be much less.

06-09-2006, 04:49 AM	#1
Poet of Zwan Amish Rake Fighter Location: Scotland Posts: 12	Album Sales? Is there any website that has measured album sales for all Smashing Pumpkins albums? I know they dont mean everything, but it would still be fairly interesting info. In particular, I'm curious as to how well Adore sold.

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06-09-2006, 05:12 AM	#2
yoursevendreams Pledge Location: USA Posts: 99	last I heard they were like this gish 1 million sd 4 million pisces 1 million mcis 8 million adore 1 million machina 500,000 tafh 1 million correct me if i'm wrong.

06-09-2006, 05:22 AM	#3
Saih Pledge Posts: 69	Gish US Sales 1.1 million Siamese Dream US Sales 4.6 million Pisces Iscariot US Sales 1.3 million MCIS US 9.4 million TAFH 300,000 Adore US Sales 1.1 million Machina US Sales 582,000 Greatest Hits US Sales 729,000 Obviously world figures would be substantially greater, what I want to know is how much money they would have made from album sales against concert ticket sales.

06-09-2006, 06:38 AM	#7
Saih Pledge Posts: 69	Yeah I was talking about what the band got for it, and less than a dollar you've got to be kiding? Is that $1 for each member or to be divided into quarters, fuck thats terrible. I bought MCIS for $40AU when it came out, take away the stores earnings thats still a lot going to the record company.

06-09-2006, 06:51 AM	#8
dean moriaty lion of saloons Location: ^ Posts: 7,373	the mcis figures need dividing by two because all the RIAA sales figures count a double album as two sales

06-09-2006, 07:53 AM	#11
Jackbox Ownz Location: :noitacoL Posts: 828	So they'll get less money when the CD costs more, but more money when the CD costs less?

06-09-2006, 09:17 AM	#12
davin Fall In Hate With Me Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 10,618	SAIH has it right as shown here. You frequently see the blurb "sold over 40 million albums worldwide" which means they sold more than double the US sales throughout the rest of the world.

06-09-2006, 09:29 AM	#13
Pheeew Demi-God Posts: 497	it probably doesn't matter how much you bought the CD for at retail price. Retailers mark the price up, likely 20% or more. I would assume that the band and label and production, etc. get their cut from the cost charged to the stores and warehouses.

06-09-2006, 10:10 AM	#17
Jackbox Ownz Location: :noitacoL Posts: 828	How much did MSOTS sell?

06-09-2006, 10:45 AM	#18
myosis Apocalyptic Poster Location: the institute Posts: 3,198	can i know where you find the numbers ? i'd like to be able to check a couple things.

06-09-2006, 10:54 AM	#21
myosis Apocalyptic Poster Location: the institute Posts: 3,198	ok, i thought there was some secret site. searching for "album sales" sure doesn't get me anywhere.

06-10-2006, 08:59 PM	#26
e10sc Demi-God Posts: 496	I'm curious as to how well D'arcy's living right now that she's doing absolutely nothing (not counting drugs).

06-10-2006, 09:45 PM	#28
e10sc Demi-God Posts: 496	I'm assuming she's doing nothing because I don't see what she needs to be doing. I'm sure she's well enough off and has investments and stuff not to need to work at the local ihop.