Why do you guys think that the next sp album will be any better than machina?

[wHATcOLOR]

is there any reason other than blind hope to lead you to believe that it will be better?

machina, which sucks, is way better than mary star of the sea, which is better than tfe.. in 5 years, the only sign of life from this guy was some acoustic songs that he thinks we're too unsophisticated to appreciate, nevermind the fact that sufjan blows his ass out of the water and we're somehow able to appreciate that..

my main point is this: bill may be able to create cool music, but that's not the music he releases.

bill's releases have gotten worse and worse, what on earth would make him suddenly put out something good? its not like jimmy, as awesome as he is, has the power to make bill not suck.

i lay this stake firmly in the ground: new sp will totally suck

i hope he makes me eat my words, but i'd be shocked if that ever happened. the last half decade has been a progression from ok but not amazing to dumb to bad to pathetic, embarassing, and shameful.




















p.s. fuck you bill!!! you totally suck you jerkoff. why don't you write another slanderous confessional trying to sell a wankoff session masquerading as an album, you lousy old goon!!

[Mablak]

When I was younger I thought the pumpkins had gone from awesome to crappy from MCIS to Machina. I realized the best music doesn't sound that incredible the first time you hear it, but it stays gold forever like Ponyboy after thorough listening.

[madraykin]

i liked machina when it came out, i liked tfe when it came out.. i guess im an anomaly.

[hereisnowhy]

I disagree with everything you said.

[ziggy gaydust]

you guys still give a shit about SP?

[avsfan7733]

Originally Posted by ziggy gaydust

you guys still give a shit about SP?

I think he just wants attention

[scorched_zero]

But on post-pumpkins releases, wasn't Billy actively trying to make music completely removed from the Smashing Pumpkin's aesthetic?

I think if he goes back to a pumpkin's mindset, we might be pleasantly surprised.

also I've always liked Machina I & II. Obviously the Machina era doesn't stand up to previous efforts, but I have never understood the ridicule they recieve.

[Esty]

Great post J. Bill only cares about selling records. Thats why he needs the pumpkin name.

[wHATcOLOR]

Originally Posted by hereisnowhy

I disagree with everything you said.

so you don't think jimmy is awesome? asshole

[Esty]

Originally Posted by scorched_zero

but I have never understood the ridicule they recieve.

I think it comes from the whole "mystery" part of the album.

[scorched_zero]

Originally Posted by Esty

I think it comes from the whole "mystery" part of the album.

You have a point. Billy can be pretty frustrating sometimes. I am a younger fan though, so I missed out on the "mystery".

I got into the Smashing Pumpkins in 7th grade, only to find out that they had broken up the previous year. It was very sad.

[Izzle]

the new SP will rule. and james and darcy will come back. and if anyone is too blind to see that, well...you're blind. it's all in the plan, it always has been. billy is a necessarily spectacular liar. he's the musical wizard of oz and you are all pawns in his mighty game.

2007.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Esty

Great post J. Bill only cares about selling records. Thats why he needs the pumpkin name.

Bingo

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

it could be 45 mins of billy farting on a snare drum and it would be better than machina

[scorched_zero]

How long has this whole "2007" thing been circulating? I remember hearing rumors about a 2007 return several years ago.

[Luke de Spa]

about 12 years

[scorched_zero]

Originally Posted by Esty

Great post J. Bill only cares about selling records. Thats why he needs the pumpkin name.

I think if Billy was 100% concerned with making money, he wouldn't consistently turn down big offers for Smashing Pumpkin's songs in commercials.

[Esty]

Originally Posted by scorched_zero

How long has this whole "2007" thing been circulating? I remember hearing rumors about a 2007 return several years ago.

When Pisces Iscariot came out in 1994, when davin first started posting on netphoria.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by scorched_zero

I think if Billy was 100% concerned with making money, he wouldn't consistently turn down big offers for Smashing Pumpkin's songs in commercials.

He's savvy enough to know that would cost him the meager fanbase he's still got left

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by Esty

When Pisces Iscariot came out in 1994, when davin first started posting on netphoria.

ah, the dawn of history. it's too bad we'll never know for sure if davin came before or after the birth of space-time, 'cause it was back in the day

[Esty]

Originally Posted by scorched_zero

I think if Billy was 100% concerned with making money, he wouldn't consistently turn down big offers for Smashing Pumpkin's songs in commercials.

Where did you hear this?

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by scorched_zero

How long has this whole "2007" thing been circulating? I remember hearing rumors about a 2007 return several years ago.

billy wrote "2007" at the end of the liner notes in pisces iscariot. he of course claims that there was no reason for it, but i think its pretty blatant that he has more or less masterplanned the entire career of the band from the start. i know conspiracy theorists always sound like idiots, but i have every confidence in this speculation. billy is not some average poet/musician who takes life one day at a time, and only thinks about his next project when his last one is completed. he is...special, more than one can easily comprehend.

[hereisnowhy]

Originally Posted by big white horse hung

so you don't think jimmy is awesome? asshole

Touche.

[scorched_zero]

I remember reading an interview with billy on billy-corgan.com a while back where he ranted about the state of the music industry and coporate bull shit. The site is almost completely shut down now, so I can't provide a link. I'll see if I can find one.

[COG]

Originally Posted by Izzle

billy wrote "2007" at the end of the liner notes in pisces iscariot. he of course claims that there was no reason for it, but i think its pretty blatant that he has more or less masterplanned the entire career of the band from the start. i know conspiracy theorists always sound like idiots, but i have every confidence in this speculation. billy is not some average poet/musician who takes life one day at a time, and only thinks about his next project when his last one is completed. he is...special, more than one can easily comprehend.

Sayin things like dat getcha locked up in da crazy house.

[scorched_zero]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

He's savvy enough to know that would cost him the meager fanbase he's still got left

I honestly don't think his fanbase is as small as most people on here claim. They are still played frequently on area radio stations and I know plently of people who consider themselves fans. They are less "hardcore" fans now, but that is to be expected. When the Pumpkins return I completely expect people to interested and supportive. Unless, worst case scenario, the album is going to be as bad as all the naysayers on this board claim it will be.

[scorched_zero]

Originally Posted by Esty

Where did you hear this?

Hardly the ideal dance partner, Hummer has been turned down or stood up by everybody from long-defunct post-punkers LiLiPUT (offered 50 grand for "Heidi's Head", according to the AP), to big names Talking Heads and Smashing Pumpkins, to recent indie bands like Four Tet, Caribou, and the Soledad Brothers. Bummer for Hummer, big bonus for your karma payment plan, kiddies.

Hummer wants Music

[Jonny5]

i think something to consider is that the pumpkins seriously needed a break. sometimes a guy's gotta get away from the usual routine in order to keep the quality coming. i trust that billy wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't something special. i can see why people would think this is lame, but i'm actually very excited to see what comes next. if the album isn't A+ material, than i won't be too perturbed because i know they have the absolute potential to kick ass live.

[Jonny5]

Originally Posted by scorched_zero

I remember reading an interview with billy on billy-corgan.com a while back where he ranted about the state of the music industry and coporate bull shit. The site is almost completely shut down now, so I can't provide a link. I'll see if I can find one.

the one with the talk of mrs. osbourne and her precious ozzy juice? if so, i still really want to see this.
YSI anyone???

[McMurderson]

I believe in you Billy.