Fuck you France, Fuck you Germany, Fuck you Spain, Venezuela, you're ok

[Nimrod's Son]

So Afghanistan can pledge $100k to hurricane relief, but all France, Germany and SPain can offer are some shitty fucking cots? You know full well would a disaster have hit France, the US would be the first country to offer help and the biggest contributor. Even political rivals like Venezuela are helping.

So once again, fuck France. I hear Kohler is on his way out in Germany anyway. And Spain can eat a big fat dick.

[sleeper]

oh come on. venezuala is using its offer of help as an insult not as a serious gesture of friendship, and thats why it was turned down. spain, germany, and france did a lot more than send cots (i know you didnt mean it literally) and i think youre really selling them short or are misinformed or something. and what are you thinking mentioning afghanistan? it might be a good idea to list countries that arent still US protectorates if youre trying to designate which countries are worthy of generosity points


and what does kholer have to do with anything? hes basically a monarch and is irrelevant from what i understand. i think you meant schroeder. he kinda is on the way out, yes

[dreamsofdali]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...rldhelps_x.htm
France, "determined to show its solidarity with the United States," offered a range of aircraft and two ships, with helicopters and planes capable of airlifting tons of supplies, a disaster unit with 20 soldiers, a civil defense detachment of 35 people and an airborne emergency unit, the French Embassy said.


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...701824,00.html
Over the past weekend, Germany sent two planes loaded with 25 tons of food rations to a US Air Force base in Florida for further distribution to the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. Another flight carrying 15 tons is scheduled to be delivered on Tuesday

and finally, the only detailed list (that I could find) of aid from Spain:
http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/09/07/62447.html
Spain prepared Wednesday to ship 16 metric tons of humanitarian aid, including 6,000 rations of food, tents and blankets to the United States to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.


Maybe I'm wrong but that seems like alot more than just a few "shitty fucking cots".

[sleeper]

why not just use wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ricane_Katrina

tada

[sleeper]

but here we have the deadly duo of american chauvinism: france bashing and bellicose "you owe us" pride about the giving of "aid". i put aid in quotes because its as wild a misnomer as ever 90% of the time. the former is still the ugliest of all and is the veritable mating call of the slackjawed, violent jingoist. it beyond childish

[wally]

I'm guessing Nimmy doesn't like the facts.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by wally
I'm guessing Nimmy doesn't like the facts.

Obviously "cots" was a euphamism. Can you honestly say that if France or Spain had a national disaster of this magnitude that the US wouldn't do at minimum 10 times more for them?

Yes, I did mean Schroeder.

[sleeper]

well if france was the richest, most powerful country in the world then we could talk. these things arent entirely equal, theyre relative

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by sleeper
well if france was the richest, most powerful country in the world then we could talk. these things arent entirely equal, theyre relative

so then you're saying France is making more than a token gesture here?

[sleeper]

im cynical about the whole aid thing, so i think, yes, its a basically a token gesture -- but no more so than any other countrys token gesture though. and, really, it isnt that bad of a one either. youre really underselling it. what were you expecting exactly? some monumental outpouring? no country is really going beyond the moderate, and for good reason. the US really can handle itself (or can it) and this aid is more just petty assistance than the crucial satisfaction of some urgent necessity. this is why the US is urging donor nations to pony up "cash dollars" as opposed to equipment or whatever

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by sleeper
im cynical about the whole aid thing, so i think, yes, its a basically a token gesture -- but no more so than any other countrys token gesture though. and, really, it isnt that bad of a one either. youre really underselling it. what were you expecting exactly? some monumental outpouring? no country is really going beyond the moderate, and for good reason. the US really can handle itself (or can it) and this aid is more just petty assistance than the crucial satisfaction of some urgent necessity. this is why the US is urging donor nations to pony up "cash dollars" as opposed to equipment or whatever

Cash dollars are needed because we have enough cots and blankets and whatnot

That doesn't help to rebuild three states

[sleeper]

i would stop saying "need" altogether

[talk show host]

Maybe someone should tell George not to send all your shit overseas to war. I've heard that often helps.

Just a suggestion.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by talk show host
Maybe someone should tell George not to send all your shit overseas to war. I've heard that often helps.

Just a suggestion.

how about we don't send money to tsunami victims or tell Africa that the $15 billion dollars we promised for AIDS (a wholly preventable disease) isn't coming?

[Corganist]

Originally posted by talk show host
Maybe someone should tell George not to send all your shit overseas to war. I've heard that often helps.

Just a suggestion.

Yes. Lets punish the people of Louisiana for the sake of international politics. That'll teach 'em.

[talk show host]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
how about we don't send money to tsunami victims or tell Africa that the $15 billion dollars we promised for AIDS (a wholly preventable disease) isn't coming?

Somehow I expect more from the most powerful nation in the world then from long devastated countries with unstable governments. I hope you'll forgive me.


Edit: actually, I should probably expand on that a bit.

a) I'm not disputing that people should send aid, and if you think that you're a moron. I wholeheartedly support all the countries that are giving money to the US to help all those people. Anything that helps them at this point is fantastic, because they really fuckin need it from what I've heard.

b) The war in Iraq has diverted much needed resources for something that has now been proven for some time to be a complete load of shit.

c) I'd say what I said to any government which is wasting resources and lives at the expense of its own people, especially for such false and selfish reasons as the US's reasons for war in Iraq.

d) As far as I can tell a lot of countries have offered aid to the US, so having a crack at those European countries seems a bit rich, but I could be wrong. That's just my impression at the moment.

[disslunker]

Originally posted by Corganist

Lets punish the people of Louisiana for the sake of international politics.

I know that you tried to pull the old patented "Corganist Twist" here, but....isnt that essentially what happened?

Maybe if 60% of our national guards weren't off fighting in Iraq, the people of Louisiana would have gotten helped a lot faster?

You kind of contributed to the point here

[talk show host]

Originally posted by disslunker



I know that you tried to pull the old patented "Corganist Twist" here, but....isnt that essentially what happened?

Maybe if 60% of our national guards weren't off fighting in Iraq, the people of Louisiana would have gotten helped a lot faster?

You kind of contributed to the point here

That was my thinking.

[Corganist]

Originally posted by disslunker

I know that you tried to pull the old patented "Corganist Twist" here, but....isnt that essentially what happened?

Maybe if 60% of our national guards weren't off fighting in Iraq, the people of Louisiana would have gotten helped a lot faster?

You kind of contributed to the point here

Please. The problems surrounding the hurricane relief weren't related to the amount of National Guardsmen availiable. Suggesting otherwise makes your whole case look weak. Iraq has nothing at all to do with the hurricane.

But even assuming it does, you still haven't explained why other countries should withhold aid because of it, which is my point. What would justify such pettiness?

[talk show host]

Originally posted by Corganist

Please. The problems surrounding the hurricane relief weren't related to the amount of National Guardsmen availiable. Suggesting otherwise makes your whole case look weak. Iraq has nothing at all to do with the hurricane.

But even assuming it does, you still haven't explained why other countries should withhold aid because of it, which is my point. What would justify such pettiness?

You don't have the resources to look after people in a hurricane hit zone, yet you have the resources to fight a war on the other side of the world? mmm...I'm still willing to bet had those resources been in the US more help could have been sent to New Orleans quicker.

As for your second point, at no point, WHATSOEVER did anyone say aid should be withheld. Read the thread again and you'll see.

[Corganist]

Originally posted by talk show host

You don't have the resources to look after people in a hurricane hit zone, yet you have the resources to fight a war on the other side of the world? mmm...I'm still willing to bet had those resources been in the US more help could have been sent to New Orleans quicker.

As for your second point, at no point, WHATSOEVER did anyone say aid should be withheld. Read the thread again and you'll see.

My bad. I see what you were trying to say now. "Sending your shit overseas" can be interpreted a couple different ways. I took "shit" to mean "things that make European nations not like us" as opposed to "stuff," which I now realize is what you actually meant.

Thats not to say I agree now. I still don't think the problems in Louisiana were due to a lack of money, manpower, or resources. This country has all of those in droves. What it didn't have...well, thats what we're all wanting to know isn't it? Whatever it was, I doubt its over in Iraq.

[wally]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
how about we don't send money to tsunami victims or tell Africa that the $15 billion dollars we promised for AIDS (a wholly preventable disease) isn't coming?

agreed

[kiwi]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son

See, it's shit like this that pisses me off. "Here's $8 million!" "NOT GOOD ENOUGH!"

[ZephZero33]

Originally posted by wally
I'm guessing Nimmy doesn't like the facts.

No, he does not like facts. He doesn't listen to what anybody else says. Maybe hes a republican?

[smashingjj]

horrible thread.

"ASIA? WE DON'T OWE THEM SHIT"

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by smashingjj
horrible thread.

"ASIA? WE DON'T OWE THEM SHIT"

You have managed to once again completely miss the point.

It would be nice if the US just stopped international aid.

Also turning this into an "iraq thread" simply diverts the issue

[jared]

isn't iraq international aid?

[Future Boy]

Originally posted by kiwi

[Future Boy]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Also turning this into an "iraq thread" simply diverts the issue

I guess the only people allowed to do that are you and Corganist.

[Corganist]

Originally posted by Future Boy

I guess the only people allowed to do that are you and Corganist.

WTF? Where did I try and turn this into an Iraq thread? For that matter, where did Nimrod? The only time in this whole thread I used the word "Iraq" was a post basically saying that Iraq had nothing to do with the topic at hand.