New Arcade Fire

[Trotskilicious]

LOOKITDATPELICANFLY

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

just checked my copy of 'By All Means Necessary', and My Philosophy is the first track on side A.

fucking sick record. might put it on now

i'm embarrassed to admit that the production is too lean for me to get into the old stuff.

[I'm Hardcore]

the reasons for ghettos/disproportionate crime stats etc go WAY back anyway, it's not a 21st century creation

[Trotskilicious]

oh dude i know

What's Goin On?, amirite?

[Trotskilicious]

but no it's all T.I.'s fault because he's wild like the taliban.

[I'm Hardcore]

yeah, kind of.

this shit will lead us back to the politics board anyway

[Trotskilicious]

i wish it was in my hip hop thread

[I'm Hardcore]

/exit. heading there now

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

soniclovenoise is the prototypical tiresome know-it-all. I mean there's a post on the SP board where he says you can "clearly" hear billy's guitar on the right and james's on the left or whatever. He's fucking toxic shoot him out of a fucking cannon.

90% of your posts are like that too! How are you any different from me?

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

bottom line is that people don't wish to look at the underlying decay of america, especially in the ghettos and would much rather blame the messenger. It's remarkable that racists still think that the music is influencing the hood rather than the fact that the ghettos in america are often brutal and uncompromising and these guys identified with the NWAs, Tupacs, and Biggies because they reflected their reality as opposed to De La Soul who grew up in suburban long island. No, the racist says "oh these nig---african americans are just emulating what they see on tv!" to a certain extent that's true but then again, it's the same MM/Columbine cypher. While the art has influence, it is not the driving force. To suggest that it is, suggests that black america is completely and totally without free will, and hence my claims of flat racism on the part of those who will just bag on rap because they don't even want to listen to it because it's "black". They can justify it all they want but that's the real reason, they don't want to assmiliate, they don't want to know, they want to just point the finger.

Not to say De La Soul is any less legitimate. They kick arse.

Listen, I'm not gonna debate you since you A) are putting words in my mouth and B) don't bother reading my posts to begin with. I have said none of this. I've already CLEARLY said in this thread it's not rap's fault and I've also CLEARLY said it's not a race thing.

BTW Sorry about your neg rep, I wish I could take it back. You're not a fucking idiot. Just a little naive. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk about your feelings.

So have a nice day. I'm done with this debate since you're like the third person to misread me and put words in my mouth.

[cocksure]

lol this thread. has anybody pointed out yet that hiphop is music and can be liked without even listening to the lyrics at all?

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

please elaborate on this

i know you know a shitload about music, but how much "intellectual" hip hop have you really heard?

oh mostly german stuff my friends try to get me into

don't get me wrong i like a tribe called quest as much as the next guy but that's mostly because they used interesting samples etc.

that "smart" "awareness of social issues" thing many people try to pull off through hiphop to me often seems to compromise the quality of the actual music. it's not a problem just of rap by any means tho

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

90% of your posts are like that too! How are you any different from me?



Listen, I'm not gonna debate you since you A) are putting words in my mouth and B) don't bother reading my posts to begin with. I have said none of this. I've already CLEARLY said in this thread it's not rap's fault and I've also CLEARLY said it's not a race thing.

BTW Sorry about your neg rep, I wish I could take it back. You're not a fucking idiot. Just a little naive. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk about your feelings.

So have a nice day. I'm done with this debate since you're like the third person to misread me and put words in my mouth.

nah i didn't read any of your bs because most of your "points" are defending your own ignorance so you really don't have any leg to stand on whatesoever.\

and i'm different than you because i use logic and reason and i don't defend my right to be an ignorant fool.

[slunken]

I really thought Hardcore was talking to me but only now do I see that it was directed at Cocksure.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

nah i didn't read any of your bs because most of your "points" are defending your own ignorance so you really don't have any leg to stand on whatesoever.\

and i'm different than you because i use logic and reason and i don't defend my right to be an ignorant fool.

OK, cool.

[slunken]

I have heard of this logic and reason thing before. I find it stifles creativity for the most part.

[soniclovenoize]

Fucking ignorance how does it work?

[Trotskilicious]

you look like a tool dude

[soniclovenoize]

OK

[barden]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

it's entirely relevant here. you're dismissing an entire genre of music based on the fact that some people in said genre "promote shallow values." if that's your litmus test, I'm genuinely curious as to what genres are deemed acceptable by you.

this southern white boy is clearly very violent:


I'm going to hang out with him next week. I hope we get to shoot something.

[soniclovenoize]

He name-dropped Wilco?

I went to high school with a dude who's on Rhymesayers. He's doing duets with POS and I'm... posting on Netphoria.

[barden]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

A) What do you even know about inner-city violence?

Lol, what do YOU know about inner-city violence? are you some kind of gangster? Do you have a rap band?

[barden]

here's a cool song that combines Miley, ICP and white-boy rap all in one.
Cant we just get along?

[barden]

There is good music and bad music, not good genres and bad genres.
There is popular music and underground music. Generally they are split on the good / bad axes too.
If it was mainstream it would probably be pretty shit, as with the music most of us here listen to.
Rap is a current trend, adopted by a pre-existing demographic. It's not the end all to all gang violence or something. Lots of other genres went through their phases, from hair metal, dirty rock, punk and rave. Raves very essensce was tied to drug use. Whatever. People are shit. Shitty people make music. It doesn't define the person, just an aspect of their aural pleasures.
Ultimately if you're going to pull a trigger you need to work through a few steps between 'MAN THIS RAP IS SO GOOD' to 'I'MMA BUST A CAP, FOR REALS' and assigning that responsibility to music takes it out the hands of the one commiting the crimes.


PS: So, this new arcade fire eh?

[barden]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

He name-dropped Wilco?

I went to high school with a dude who's on Rhymesayers. He's doing duets with POS and I'm... posting on Netphoria.

yah, he does that.
In this song he re-interprets Modest Mouse Lyrics:

[barden]

think abortions are most violent when the fetus fights back.

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by barden

There is good music and bad music, not good genres and bad genres.

and i always thought genres "contained" music

it's perfectly fine to dismiss an entire genre. i don't listen to nazi rock or swing music for example

[smashingjj]

there are good nazi rock bands but you just choose to not listen to them because you're PREJUDICED!

[slunken]

Danke.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

there are good nazi rock bands but you just choose to not listen to them because you're PREJUDICED!

I'm PREJEWD.

[Eulogy]

Rococo fucking rules, btw. Weird because on the first listen of this album I don't think I liked it very much.

This whole thing has grown on me, actually.