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Old 08-30-2010, 09:18 PM   #181
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I agree 100%. What I'M saying is that the rap music I'm exposed to (via DJ's, radio, or TV - which is no different than the rap any casual listener would be exposed to) does not entice me in the least bit to further investigate the genre. It in fact makes me loathe it. That's all. I'm not on a crusade here.

I did enjoy me some Furious Five back in the day tho. And I tune into Michael 5000 Watts' show on 97.9 Houston from time to time.
yes exactly man, this affirms what i am saying - ignorance. it's not necessarily your fault, it's just the way the industry works.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:21 PM   #182
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I just don't like when you say the word ignorant. As if I'm unaware that there's perfectly good hip-hop music out there. Is it ignorance if I just don't care about it? I think apathetic would be a better descriptor.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:23 PM   #183
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ignorant - lack of knowledge - it applies, here.

i'm not trying to use it against you, in a derogatory fashion.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:28 PM   #184
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But I think I have the knowledge, I just choose to ignore it. Anyway no worries.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:30 PM   #185
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if you had the knowledge, you wouldn't make such blanket statements.


NO WORRIES

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:31 PM   #186
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YOUR OPINION OF MY KNOWLEDGE OF RAP WORRIES ME

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:38 PM   #187
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yes, i read your posts, but i'm sorry, these two statements are simply not true. YOU HAVENT HEARD AT LEAST 50% of the genre, so how can you make such blanket claims?




go and listen to Portrait, then come back and tell me if you think the underlying messages of that album ******* shooting people. "Get Your Gunn", for instance, a song about the killing of an abortionist, is a statement AGAINST violence.

See? more ignorance. Manson is a master of social commentary. Ignore the hog shit he puts out nowadays. To even implicate him in that tragedy is utterly irresponsible. remember this - for those TWO kids who shot some other kids up, there are TWO MILLION other Manson fans out there who choose not to shoot people.
Thanks Hardcore, I needed a laugh!

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:39 PM   #188
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*crickets*

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:45 PM   #189
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on the other hand i am a big fan of limp bizkit

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:52 PM   #190
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Attempt to be witty all you want, your post seriously made me lol.

If you think MM is a "master of social comentary," it's you who are the ignorant one.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:55 PM   #191
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Oh, Hardcore don't bother replying... you ARE ignorant:

Lunchbox

on we plow
the big bully try to stick his finger in my chest
try to tell me, tell me he's the best
but i don't really give a good goddamn cause
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i wanna grow up
i wanna be a big rock and roll star
i wanna grow up
so no one fucks with me
i got the pencils in my pocket, try to put me down
wanna go out, gotta get out
to the playground, gonna throw down at the playground
i wanna go out
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker
pow pow pow, pow pow pow, pow pow pow, pow pow pow
i wanna grow up
i wanna be a big rock and roll star
i wanna grow up
so no one fucks with me

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:56 PM   #192
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Marilyn Manson always represented what America was, through himself

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:59 PM   #193
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Oh, Hardcore don't bother replying... you ARE ignorant:

Lunchbox

on we plow
the big bully try to stick his finger in my chest
try to tell me, tell me he's the best
but i don't really give a good goddamn cause
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i wanna grow up
i wanna be a big rock and roll star
i wanna grow up
so no one fucks with me
i got the pencils in my pocket, try to put me down
wanna go out, gotta get out
to the playground, gonna throw down at the playground
i wanna go out
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker
pow pow pow, pow pow pow, pow pow pow, pow pow pow
i wanna grow up
i wanna be a big rock and roll star
i wanna grow up
so no one fucks with me
yep, so tell me what that song is about?

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:00 PM   #194
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he actually based the song Lunchbox on his childhood at that catholic school, and his lunchbox he would bring daily

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:02 PM   #195
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i'm waiting for soniclovenoize to answer, seeing as he knows all

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:02 PM   #196
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oh, sorry about that

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:04 PM   #197
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no no, you're adding weight to my argument here, don't you worry

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:04 PM   #198
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as long as youre happy

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:17 PM   #199
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Haha. Alright. I'm not gonna argue interpretation of a song, nor argue what MM--the biggest farce in showbusiness in the last 20 years--said it was written about. I don't believe a word that man says. He's like a modern-day PT Barnum. A sucker's born every minute? Well, he's got a lot of fans, if you know what I mean. He's successfully conned you into calling this "social comentary"? That's fine. To each his own, man.

I guess you're always gonna see what you want to see. I'm really sorry that you're getting all sensitive now that I've clued you in how you've been suckered all along.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:18 PM   #200
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i'm waiting for soniclovenoize to answer, seeing as he knows all
Dude, it's a burdon. You don't want this weight.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:20 PM   #201
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In Lunchbox MM totally raps the verses.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:21 PM   #202
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In Lunchbox MM totally raps the verses.
FTW

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:27 PM   #203
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Haha. Alright. I'm not gonna argue interpretation of a song, nor argue what MM--the biggest farce in showbusiness in the last 20 years--said it was written about. I don't believe a word that man says. He's like a modern-day PT Barnum. A sucker's born every minute? Well, he's got a lot of fans, if you know what I mean. He's successfully conned you into calling this "social comentary"? That's fine. To each his own, man.

I guess you're always gonna see what you want to see. I'm really sorry that you're getting all sensitive now that I've clued you in how you've been suckered all along.
ignorance really is bliss.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:30 PM   #204
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No but seriously, I got to get some sleep; I work at 4am. So lets all just agree to disagree. Or just post that youtube clip of Circulatory System that is supposed to make me feel salty or something.

But you know what? FUCK IT I'm gonna give The Suburbs another chance tonight!

 
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ignorance really is bliss.
I wouldn't know, but I am for some reason really happy.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:52 PM   #206
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why don't you blame rappers for Columbine? aren't GUNS and SHOOTING PEOPLE all that they sing about?

the problem with your/slunken/soniclovenoize's opinions about rap is, none of you know what the fuck you're talking about.

have you listened to anything from the mid-late 80's/early 90's? De La Soul, EPMD, Eric B & Rakim, Biz Markie, Boogie Down Productions, A Tribe Called Quest, Big Daddy Kane, Marley Marl, Nice & Smooth, Kool G Rap, Pete Rock & C.L.Smooth, Main Source, Arrested Development....man, i could go on forever. NONE of these guys ever sung about shooting people, or drugs.

your problem is that you think artists like TI represent the whole genre, which simply isnt true.
hi

just so you know KRS-One was all about guns.



and then there's the Criminal Minded album cover but you get the idea

Not to derail your point but saying BDP wasn't about guns is really kind of silly.

But, these guys are tools, why do you waste your words? the trio of them, i mean i don't necessarily dislike slunken he's ok as far as snobby obscurists go, samuel redman hates everything and has nothing positive to say ever because he's a basement dweller and soniclovenoise is the prototypical tiresome know-it-all. I mean there's a post on the SP board where he says you can "clearly" hear billy's guitar on the right and james's on the left or whatever. He's fucking toxic shoot him out of a fucking cannon.

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:56 PM   #207
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yeah, he's holding a gun, but "Stop The Violence", bro, Doesn't he talk about that on "My Philosophy", anyway?

 
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:59 PM   #208
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i thought my philosophy was on the album after By Any Means Necessary when he actually decided to put the guns down because *gasp* maybe that's why his DJ got shot.

we're on the same page though, dude. and i love me some gangsta shit anyway. I've knocked over 3 liquor stores this week because I was listening to Lil Wayne.

 
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bottom line is that people don't wish to look at the underlying decay of america, especially in the ghettos and would much rather blame the messenger. It's remarkable that racists still think that the music is influencing the hood rather than the fact that the ghettos in america are often brutal and uncompromising and these guys identified with the NWAs, Tupacs, and Biggies because they reflected their reality as opposed to De La Soul who grew up in suburban long island. No, the racist says "oh these nig---african americans are just emulating what they see on tv!" to a certain extent that's true but then again, it's the same MM/Columbine cypher. While the art has influence, it is not the driving force. To suggest that it is, suggests that black america is completely and totally without free will, and hence my claims of flat racism on the part of those who will just bag on rap because they don't even want to listen to it because it's "black". They can justify it all they want but that's the real reason, they don't want to assmiliate, they don't want to know, they want to just point the finger.

Not to say De La Soul is any less legitimate. They kick arse.

 
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:03 AM   #210
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just checked my copy of 'By All Means Necessary', and My Philosophy is the first track on side A.

fucking sick record. might put it on now

 
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