Zeitgeist - Album Chart Thread

[gossamer1234]

Originally Posted by The Trashbirds

For the lazy:



#2 in America.
So what went #1?

Also, how many album sales were fanboys and fangirls buying a second or third copy? There should be an adjusted figure.

i imagine ti remained #1.

and an adjusted figure? why are you rooting against them? and they can't adjust, there's no way to figure it out. and album sold is an album sold. don't matter to who.

[Andrew_Pakula]

I have a feeling there will be a big drop off in the second week.

I can see by the Amazon sales alone its already dying down considerably.

[jasminetea]

hmmm that's shame!

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/..._id=1003613204

[SpFission]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

I have a feeling there will be a big drop off in the second week.

I can see by the Amazon sales alone its already dying down considerably.

You may be right about the 2nd week, but it's still #4 on Amazon.

Itunes its #11 though.

[aquila]

Ah, T.I... I could have seen him for free, and I'm glad I didn't:



The funny thing about this concert is that the reaction of most Cornell students was "wtf? texas instruments?"

[Martyr]

from Billboard

The effort sold 145,000 units and ties 1998's "Adore" as the second best charting album of the group's career.

that's not bad.

[gossamer1234]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

I have a feeling there will be a big drop off in the second week.

I can see by the Amazon sales alone its already dying down considerably.

i'd guess it'll be #27 and then #46 and then...

[Martyr]

It could easily be top ten next week.

[gash]

What a load of shite that is.

[gash]

Originally Posted by aquila

Ah, T.I... I could have seen him for free, and I'm glad I didn't:



The funny thing about this concert is that the reaction of most Cornell students was "wtf? texas instruments?"

what a load of shite!!!

[paranoid]

wow.. record sales in general for everyone are doing terrible. I remember when selling 50,000 copies landed an artist at #20.. now it's a top ten number? holy shit.

[The Trashbirds]

Originally Posted by aiolia

Ugh, it's called 'album sales', not how many people bought the album.
Do you adjust movie boxoffice number for fans watching second or third time too?

Originally Posted by gossamer1234

and an adjusted figure? why are you rooting against them? and they can't adjust, there's no way to figure it out. and album sold is an album sold. don't matter to who.

It - was - a - joke.

I was merely pointing out that the album sales numbers can be a bit misleading as a statistic indicating popularity. Obviously you couldn't adjust the numbers even if you wanted to.

[Andrew_Pakula]

Originally Posted by paranoid

wow.. record sales in general for everyone are doing terrible. I remember when selling 50,000 copies landed an artist at #20.. now it's a top ten number? holy shit.

People in general just don't buy that many cds any more. Blame the internet and illegal downloading if you want but the truth is the CD is over 20 years old now, they need a better product. The movie industry moved to DVDs providing a superior quality product over VHS. If the record company had done something similar offering a new format that was vastly superior in audio quality then I think more people would be willing to buy it. Even with legal online sales the quality of format is somewhat crappy just barely on par with CDs. Give me a legal high quality product and I'd be more willing to pay, otherwise who cares.

[The Trashbirds]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

People in general just don't buy that many cds any more. Blame the internet and illegal downloading if you want but the truth is the CD is over 20 years old now, they need a better product. The movie industry moved to DVDs providing a superior quality product over VHS. If the record company had done something similar offering a new format that was vastly superior in audio quality then I think more people would be willing to buy it. Even with legal online sales the quality of format is somewhat crappy just barely on par with CDs. Give me a legal high quality product and I'd be more willing to pay, otherwise who cares.

Record stores are fucked. Even with the development of a product with improved sound quality (eg. music DVD), the future of music is digital. The internet is the future of music sales (iTunes, etc.).

[paranoid]

there are talks amongst the labels to write up digital release only contracts with artists..

[pale_princess]

ti is awesome.

[ratking17]

This is probably a question, I am not sure anyone knows. What is the profit financially from record sales these days? I mean, almost 150,000 records has got to net you something, but if this album goes Gold, I would say that is a sucess. From a musicians standpoint, where is the money made? Touring?

[Martyr]

Originally Posted by ratking17

This is probably a question, I am not sure anyone knows. What is the profit financially from record sales these days? I mean, almost 150,000 records has got to net you something, but if this album goes Gold, I would say that is a sucess. From a musicians standpoint, where is the money made? Touring?

nowadays mainly touring.

[paranoid]

the industry standard: Artists make $.84 cents per record sold.

[The Trashbirds]

$.84 x 145,000 = $121,800

Someone should've pointed these numbers out to the ass clowns who keep insisting that Billy Corgan is trying to make loads of money off of us multiple releases.

If, in your best selling week, you make $121,800 total dollars, then you aren't making all that much. I mean, if you made that every week, you'd be a fucking bazillionaire, but still.

[n-abounds]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

People in general just don't buy that many cds any more. Blame the internet and illegal downloading if you want but the truth is the CD is over 20 years old now, they need a better product. The movie industry moved to DVDs providing a superior quality product over VHS. If the record company had done something similar offering a new format that was vastly superior in audio quality then I think more people would be willing to buy it. Even with legal online sales the quality of format is somewhat crappy just barely on par with CDs. Give me a legal high quality product and I'd be more willing to pay, otherwise who cares.

Well there is more difficulty in switching because there are many times more cd players than dvd players (cars, home, discmans, etc), so it is harder to switch to a new standard.

Also, I don't know why you'd want this. Record companies are dying to make things so that there can be no piracy. They'd be so locked down, they probably wouldn't even play in every "new cd" player that you own.

[IEatMyFeces]

who cares, zeitgeist sucks anyways

[flavin]

Second place isn't bad.

[Dogfighter28]

Those are pretty bad numbers considering the 4 version ploy and the fact that it only doubled TFE's sales...

[hummer26]

Originally Posted by The Trashbirds

$.84 x 145,000 = $121,800

Someone should've pointed these numbers out to the ass clowns who keep insisting that Billy Corgan is trying to make loads of money off of us multiple releases.

If, in your best selling week, you make $121,800 total dollars, then you aren't making all that much. I mean, if you made that every week, you'd be a fucking bazillionaire, but still.

Billy is trying to make money....but who isnt....problem is the lack of quality and emotion in the new product ....or any product he has made over the last decade.

New album is necessary for buzz to promote touring...touring makes tons of money.

Billy Corgan - hahaha I cut starz off when it was just getting good HAHAH

[hummer26]

Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

Those are pretty bad numbers considering the 4 version ploy and the fact that it only doubled TFE's sales...

I second....I have NEVER seen a pumpkins album so heavily marketed before. I am online a lot these days and through myspace....pumpkins stuff is everywhere. The spin cd....all the radio buzz. Anyway....its safe to say this album will not go platinum...maybe gold.

Billy Corgan - Theres clouds in my shower

[MisterSquishyHalo]

You make your money now by touring and merchandise.

145k is a good number for this day and age.

Those that thought this album was going to sell a million or more we're just kidding themselves.

[Dogfighter28]

If Tool can sell 500k+ I would assume SP could sell at least 250k in the first week, but I'm sure the shittiness of the album coupled with horrid reviews had something to do with that

[ratking17]

so of that 121,000 the record made, how much goes into Billy/Jimmy's pockets assuming the rest of the band doesn't get record sales?

I guess my point it is kind of a question. How much money do bands make for doing tours? 121,000 is not much more than my household income, but yet you get the perception that bands make tons of money. Are even name brand musicians not able to make money in today's industry?

[daevil1]

They need to release a new radio single ASAP.