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Old 03-29-2017, 03:21 PM   #301
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:21 PM   #302
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you think therapy works too tho

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:21 PM   #303
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today i did something really hard in therapy. i'm not going to tell you what it is but. believe me it was hard and it's been like 5 years coming and i feel anxious and relieved

trots i wrote this before i saw your post it wasn't in a response

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:22 PM   #304
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it does for some people, it can especially help with PTSD and trauma

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:25 PM   #305
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paying money for someone to listen to you is jacked up, they don't really do anything

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:25 PM   #306
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Therapy has helped me at least in some ways, and I know others who have had their lives changed by therapy. I resisted going back for many years because I had such bad experiences when I was younger, but obviously it does work for many people and for me it was an interpersonal issue, not an issue with THERAPY

 
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paying money for someone to listen to you is jacked up, they don't really do anything
they have training and should be using that to help you in agreed upon ways. therapy without direction can be completely pointless and it can actually be harmful if they are shitty therapists/people

for me its also been a vehicle for me to learn how to trust others because of all that happened to me, i'm still not able to trust but no person should have to deal with my bullshit insecurity, my therapist deals with it so i can work through it and eventually have a real trusting relationship with others. so yeah in a way it's paying someone to just listen to you but there's more to it than that and for some people it's not that at all, for example in CBT

no one really knows me, probably no one really knows you either trots and that's sad and shitty for us, other people don't live that way

 
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its a problem with paying someone to sit there

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:31 PM   #309
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for me its also been a vehicle for me to learn how to trust others because of all that happened to me, i'm still not able to trust but no person should have to deal with my bullshit insecurity, my therapist deals with it so i can work through it and eventually have a real trusting relationship with others. so yeah in a way it's paying someone to just listen to you but there's more to it than that and for some people it's not that at all, for example in CBT
so you're saying they take advantage of people who are vulnerable

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:33 PM   #311
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you should be able to go down to your local gaia temple and commune with the eco-priest about your struggle and then holistically cleansed with various herbal & massage therapy techniques

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:34 PM   #312
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so you're saying they take advantage of people who are vulnerable
some of them do, most of them do not. they are being paid for their time because they have to live like everyone else. that's not taking advantage of people. i know you're just being a contrarian but you know how I was before. therapy is a big reason why i've improved

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:36 PM   #313
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i mean for one example, whenever i was around girls say 5-15 i would dissociate and get flashbacks to shitty violent child porn i used to be forced to watch plus when i lived with that guy i used to try and be one step ahead of who he would try to prey on so that i could stop it, so i was hyper-aroused all the time around girls. now i mostly can deal with them and even interact. we directly addressed this shit in therapy and worked through my anxiety. this used to happen with teenage coworkers or any time i was around girls for more than a passing amount of time, for example when i was in the waiting room this happened once in a while and we were able to use it to work on my issues

exactly how else would someone work on something like that

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:37 PM   #314
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its a problem with paying someone to sit there
is intellectual labor not labor?


my dude anyway, I see him as a combo teacher/life coach/professional sounding board. He has really really helped me understand my own thoughts and behaviors in ways I previously did not have the perspective to consider.

also the government is paying him to sit there in my case, thanks Obama

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:40 PM   #315
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the government subsidizes about 75% of my therapy thanks medicare. well less really if you take into account my monthly premium it's more like 60%

 
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i really struggle to justify therapists as intellectual labor that's worth the amount of money they charge

 
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also I know it sounds very trite, but in my case the success of therapy was very largely based on me being ready (read:desperate enough) to seriously try it. I was at the point where I would have tried anything to not be in literal constant psychological agony

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:43 PM   #318
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i mean i have a problem with the 135 i pay for a psychiatrist for a half hour, and thy're a goddamn medical doctor

 
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:45 PM   #319
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shitty violent child porn i used to be forced to watch
Holy shit, I knew you were in an abusive relationship, but Jesus...

 
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i mean i have a problem with the 135 i pay for a psychiatrist for a half hour, and thy're a goddamn medical doctor
the problem is insurance though. wouldn't you be paying this much every time you go see your general physician if it weren't for insurance?


but I understand, if I lost my insurance I just wouldn't be able to go to therapy anymore

 
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the problem is insurance though. wouldn't you be paying this much every time you go see your general physician if it weren't for insurance?
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and even if i did, the rate is idiotic ridiculous. 270 an hour? are you joking? nobody needs that much

 
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even when i had insurance i paid full price for psych care because they never will file it for you even though they are working at 270 an hour, and i just figured it would never get paid because of excuses and the ACA is the only reason they're forced to cover it now

 
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i really struggle to justify therapists as intellectual labor that's worth the amount of money they charge
i can understand this, however you're discounting the time they put in outside of your billable therapy hour writing notes, plus they pay rent, a biller, income tax, etc.

if a therapist has 25 sessions a week and gets 100/hr (which is a bit optimistic), that's 2500 a week = 10,000 a month. that's 120,000 a year. minus taxes, rent, a biller, malpractice insurance, having to pay for continuing education. and Master's clinicians will never get $100/hr, this is as an established PhD

and remember they went to college for 5-8 years after undergraduate. even if you shove in 32 hours, that's 3200 = 12800 a month x 12 = 153,600. they might end up with 100k max. that's a lot of money but that's max after probably 20 years as a private practice therapist. i don't think it's unreasonable really.

 
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ok but how is that different from any other kind of doctor?

if you had to go see an md every week how much would that be costing you without insurance

 
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and even if i did, the rate is idiotic ridiculous. 270 an hour? are you joking? nobody needs that much
what the fuck therapist charges 270 an hour? someone is scamming you

 
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135 for a half hour is the rate, person who has "the government" pay for it

 
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my therapist charges 150/hr, but only because she get's reimbursed at about 70%. and she does sliding scale for those without insurance. for a while i didn't pay my copay. she's a phd psychologist with 35 years experience

 
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ok but how is that different from any other kind of doctor?

if you had to go see an md every week how much would that be costing you without insurance
its all unconscionably greedy & stupid & vile

 
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135 for a half hour is the rate, person who has "the government" pay for it
you're wrong, i see my bills

 
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