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Old 01-06-2015, 11:42 PM   #331
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i will be optimistic and say there is about a 5% chance of that happening

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 02:06 PM   #332
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I thought I'd read somewhere that flood denied involvement with the reissue. Could be wrong though. (Hopefully)

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:16 PM   #333
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Yeah, I think Reprise has it: maybe a 5% chance of that materializing. But then again, at this point, I'm weirdly over the Metro DVD. I mean, yeah - would be cool - but my last major wish was Rubin's LMGTWTY, and now that is out (and great), I'm just happy to take whatever he tosses our way with Machina. A studio 'Lover' would be about my only real wish-wish.

I agree, I think the SD reissue is the best sounding so far. Don't notice a huge difference on Gish, to be honest. Need to sit and listen to MCIS straight thru. Pisces still blows my mind, that "Whir" vocal track is still just so confusing.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:24 PM   #334
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The bonus tracks on most of the reissues are stupid and useless, .
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Basically all I got out all of them combined was like 5 or 6 bonus tracks
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:25 PM   #335
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A studio 'Lover' would be about my only real wish-wish.

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theres a demo on the machina demos bootleg, yea? couldn't really envision or want to hear a full band version.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 07:01 PM   #336
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Yeah, I think Reprise has it: maybe a 5% chance of that materializing. But then again, at this point, I'm weirdly over the Metro DVD. I mean, yeah - would be cool - but my last major wish was Rubin's LMGTWTY, and now that is out (and great), I'm just happy to take whatever he tosses our way with Machina. A studio 'Lover' would be about my only real wish-wish.

I agree, I think the SD reissue is the best sounding so far. Don't notice a huge difference on Gish, to be honest. Need to sit and listen to MCIS straight thru. Pisces still blows my mind, that "Whir" vocal track is still just so confusing.
I never even bothered to listen to the remastered albums

I love MCIS, TAFH and Adore reissues because they have tons of good bonus stuff

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 07:07 PM   #337
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i used to not bother listening to the remastered stuff until i started putting entire box sets on shuffle and its nice to have the actual album material mixed in all with the same levels etc. also i figured i've heard the other albums to death why not give the remastered ones a spin

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 07:38 PM   #338
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theres a demo on the machina demos bootleg, yea? couldn't really envision or want to hear a full band version.
Yeah, there is - but you know that there's a cleaner version of it out there somewhere.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 07:46 PM   #339
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Oh, and this as proof:


 
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Old 01-07-2015, 08:47 PM   #340
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It'll be interesting to see how master these...

Personally, I think Machina I sounds too blown-out. After I listened to it a few times, something in me "got it", but I just don't like it. Machina II is really raw, but at least it sounds like instruments played by people.
alright, for one thing, i've never understood why this is such a big deal to people. people point this out about several albums all the time as if it's some standard that you need to hear the "people playing the instruments" or whatever. it's not a live record, they did what they wanted - not liking synth sounds or whatever is one thing but this is just baffling to me, like an old man who won't leave his hometown for anything

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Considering the two albums sound so different, I don't think there's any way this thing comes out sounding cohesive.
i think it's possible
i always got the impression that M2 was hindered largely by the mixing/mastering process, surely a lot of this material was recorded at the same time as the first album, if it was all originally intended as a double? if the engineering was solid enough there's no reason this couldn't be mixed/mastered well enough to go alongside the MI songs

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Old 01-07-2015, 09:06 PM   #341
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i always got the impression that M2 was hindered largely by the mixing/mastering process, surely a lot of this material was recorded at the same time as the first album, if it was all originally intended as a double? if the engineering was solid enough there's no reason this couldn't be mixed/mastered well enough to go alongside the MI releases
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ppl that bitch about the production on machina are the same kind of fans that got the chicago songs shelved.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:10 PM   #342
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and how the heck do you listen to 2 box sets from the agreed upon best years of the band yielding well over 100 BONUS tracks and go 'oh there are maybe a handful worth my time'.

i'll admit i wasn't super-jazzed about the first three reissues (gish, sd, pi) but that was only because i wanted more bonus audio than standard audio.

mcis/tafh deluxe are bursting goldmines of golden era sp

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:31 PM   #343
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alright, for one thing, i've never understood why this is such a big deal to people. people point this out about several albums all the time as if it's some standard that you need to hear the "people playing the instruments" or whatever. it's not a live record, they did what they wanted - not liking synth sounds or whatever is one thing but this is just baffling to me, like an old man who won't leave his hometown for anything
Like I said originally, I "get it", I just don't love it. I'm not against the experience of the album, I just don't embrace it.

There's a reason it didn't catch on, its harsh and hard to get into.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:37 PM   #344
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There's a reason it didn't catch on, its harsh and hard to get into.
but we'll always be friends rite? ;_;

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:45 PM   #345
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but we'll always be friends rite? ;_;
You know thats right.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:58 PM   #346
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i used to not bother listening to the remastered stuff until i started putting entire box sets on shuffle and its nice to have the actual album material mixed in all with the same levels etc. also i figured i've heard the other albums to death why not give the remastered ones a spin
i used to like doing this with the mellon collie & aeroplane stuff, made it all seem a little more contemporary in a way, at least with the mellon collie songs being re-contextualized & all that

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There's a reason it didn't catch on, its harsh and hard to get into.
those are 2 of the reasons a lot of people love it as well, tho, so it works in the end

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:04 PM   #347
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i used to like doing this with the mellon collie & aeroplane stuff, made it all seem a little more contemporary in a way, at least with the mellon collie songs being re-contextualized & all that


yea basically that. it's wonderful.

 
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those are 2 of the reasons a lot of people love it as well, tho, so it works in the end
A lot more people don't love it. I'm not sure it really worked out in the end.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:14 PM   #349
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i don't think M2 is that crazy or unaccessable. its just a lower-fi album by a band that has traditionally been so polished in the studio. a lot of people just weren't/aren't used to that. but it's not exactly inpenetrable ffs. it sounds better than QAOS that's for danged sure.

i feel like it's actually a litmus test for if any fans have bothered enjoying demo material from the past.

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:21 PM   #350
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I got into the pumpkins through machina ii. it's still my fav pumpkins release. hearing machina i after, the difference was sort of

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:24 PM   #351
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i don't hear much difference between the two - it just sounds like M2 is a 3rd-gen cassette or something. the actual work is somewhere between instrumental demo and live sbd quality, which are two of my favorite SP things -> rough mix and live.

its like have you (not you) never heard mashed potatoes or any of the mcis demos past the home demos? hello?!

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:32 PM   #352
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yeah, i was just drawn to that almost-live, off-the-cuff quality of m2. by comparison, m1 felt like it had been tinkered with to death. i've grown to appreciate the differences between the two, though

 
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:33 PM   #353
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:34 PM   #354
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why is plus one censored? lol

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yes indeed.. "live inside the dark globe" especially... 'porcelina/rocket' live '96

also, 'chinoise' as one of many wonderful demos/b-sides.


Those live tracks are really, really deeply satisfying to listen to for so many reasons. Meladori and Pissant and God @ Double Door, that monster Silverfuck (props to Billy for including the last one with Jimmy), WBFTT, Jellybelly...

I just wish it incIuded Ruby and Muzzle

 
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i'm usually not a big fan of official live releases but the mixing on dark globe is phenomenal (much better than any other recording sbd or no) and of course all of the double door (rehearsal/live) material is incredible too.

 
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i don't think M2 is that crazy or unaccessable. its just a lower-fi album by a band that has traditionally been so polished in the studio. a lot of people just weren't/aren't used to that. but it's not exactly inpenetrable ffs. it sounds better than QAOS that's for danged sure.

i feel like it's actually a litmus test for if any fans have bothered enjoying demo material from the past.
Oh I didn't mean that machina II was inaccessible, just some of machina I.

 
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here's a thought - i wonder if sp were offered to do a live video set after mcis but instead they opted to do the b-side release of tafh. because it seems like doing a live video thing would have been the typical follow-up given the time.

 
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i hope he uses the m2 version of Try. he has said that's the one he prefers

 
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all fucky with multiple versions of the same songs like HMM etc..
Taking bets right now: how many versions of Heavy Metal Machine will we get? How many Glass and the Ghost Children? BC still loves BOTH of those beasts that hog setlists and slog up otherwise nicely paced shows.

It's a running joke between my brother and I that it's not a real SP show if he doesn't pull out at least one of those.

 
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