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Old 02-14-2018, 08:58 AM   #331
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Loving the fact that this got picked up by bigger news sites.

I'm hoping Billy goes off the deep end and ruins any remaining "momentum" for the tour.

Surprising number of Billy apologists in this thread.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:58 AM   #332
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WHERE'S D'ARCY

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:13 AM   #333
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Unless he commits some serious, socially unacceptable criminal offence I will always stick around as I know what he is capable of.
I agree, I’m still down for the reunion tour and circus surrounding the band. It’s fun, honestly.

I’m love/hate with Billy. He seems thoroughly unlikeable person, but at the same time I sometimes feel for the guy in a tortured artist sort of way... that being said, I think a day of reckoning may come for him. Look at all these celebs being outed - are you telling me the way Billy acts towards people, notoriously manipulative and abusive, throwing round NDA’s... would it be surprising at all if there was some real career-ending dirt came to light.

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Old 02-14-2018, 09:18 AM   #334
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As shitty as he is, he doesn't seem like the type to molest or rape or anything

but who the hell knows anymore

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:18 AM   #335
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He's a trump supporter he is exactly the type.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:22 AM   #336
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I can imagine him being this manipulative with ex girlfriends

He had a kid with a 22 yr old, that alone speaks volumes about power imbalances

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:26 AM   #337
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I know, the sickening thoughts that slither around your head
I know, the gluttonous guilt that buried me in your bed
Manipulate me if you can, go on and fool me like your biggest fan

I know, the arrogant pride that poisons the truth you hear
I know, the bigoted tongue that tears apart all your fears
Pontificate, you faded star, go on and show them who you really are

You can lie to the papers
You can hide from the press
You can fake it on stage
Crawl from your cage
Search and destroy
You can kill and depend on it
I know your tainted flesh
I know your filthy soul
I know each trick you played
Whore you laid
Dream you stole
I know the bed in the room in the wall
In the house where you got what you wanted and ruined it all
I know the secrets that you keep
I know where you sleep

I know, the illness behind the image that you create
I know, the tedious need to turn all your love into hate
You poor pathetic paranoid, is it just me or do you secretly enjoy it?

You can lie to the papers
(You can lie)
You can hide from the press
(You can hide)
You can fake it on stage
(Fake)
Crawl from your cage
(Crawl)
Search and destroy
(Search)
You can kill and depend on it
(Kill)
I know your tainted flesh
(You can hide)
I know your filthy soul
(You can hide)
I know each trick you played
(You can fake it if you try)
Whore you laid
Dream you stole
I know the bed in the room in the wall
In the house where you got what you wanted and ruined it all
I know the secrets that you keep
I know where you sleep

Sleep, Sleep, Sleep

You play the victim very well
You build yourself indulgent hell
You wanted someone to understand you
Well be careful what you wish for because I do
You've got a fancy turn of phrase
You set your trap
You made your plays
You're so fond of games
You must never lose
Funny how the only one in your bed is you

You can lie to the papers
You can hide from the press
You can lie to the papers
You can hide from the press
(Fake, crawl, search, kill)
You can lie to the papers
You can hide from the press
Fake, crawl, search, kill

Oh my god, Oh my god
I touched you
I can never live it down
I can never live it down
God save the queen
I loved you
I can never live it down
I can never live it down
Oh, oh, I fucked you
I can never live it down
I can never live it down
I can never live it down

I know the sickening thoughts that slither around your head
I know the gluttonous guilt that buried me in your - shh! - bed

You can lie to the papers
You can hide from the press
You can fake it on stage
Crawl from your cage
Search and destroy
You can kill and depend on it
I know your tainted flesh
I know your filthy soul
I know each trick you played
Whore you laid
Dream you stole
I know the bed in the room in the wall
In the house where you got what you wanted and ruined it
I know the bed in the room in the wall
In the house where you got what you wanted and ruined it
I know the bed in the room in the wall
In the house where you got what you wanted and ruined it all
I know the secrets that you keep
I know where you sleep

I'm wishing you the best of luck and by the way
(Your poetry sucks)
I'm wishing you the best of luck and by the way
(Your poetry sucks)
I'm wishing you the best of luck and by the way
(Your poetry sucks)
I'm wishing you the best of luck and by the way

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:26 AM   #338
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:28 AM   #339
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I can imagine him being this manipulative with ex girlfriends

He had a kid with a 22 yr old, that alone speaks volumes about power imbalances
dingdingding.

remember that one actor from Lost who married a 17 year old? the outrage!
somehow splandia has been very quiet about the fact that a then 45 year old scored an 18 year old. less than half his age. who served as assistant for whatever he wanted, nice like clay to mold. and started talking about chemtrails before she was even allowed to enter a bar. rock and roll, am I rite. boys gonna be boys. and power trips are gonna be power trips.

besides the point for any of this SP stuff but - please. why does anyone need dirt on Belly Corgan. He served you dirt on a silver plate for 30 years.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:30 AM   #340
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Cannot wait for Pumpkins camp to say something.

Knowing a bit, he'll get his revenge soon.

Who knows, maybe a bit of rage will make the songs better.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:31 AM   #341
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Corgan is probably fuming and going "I will end her" in true egomaniacal fashion.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:34 AM   #342
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Cannot wait for Pumpkins camp to say something.

Knowing a bit, he'll get his revenge soon.

Who knows, maybe a bit of rage will make the songs better.
Yep. When he's standing on stage this summer, looking out at a half filled venue, knowing that most of the attendees are grouponers, he'll know he won. When he plays anything outside of his hits, and he watches the masses go for a bathroom break, he'll know he finally beat d'arcy. When he looks over to his right and sees jack bates, the son of legendary peter hook standing there, he'll finally have his sweet revenge.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:35 AM   #343
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:36 AM   #344
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are you really expecting they cannot fill these venues?

I know they didn't on the manson tour - but they did not have the promo nor live nation back up then either.
(and with the darcy um promo, at least people who read music sites are aware of some Smashing Pumpkins being around at all long before tickets go on sale.)

if they get 8k into 12k venues - that is not really a ruined tour, is it. financially.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:37 AM   #345
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All he had to do was hop on the bus, get an acoustic, pop out for 3-5 minutes and play a bit of 1979, and it would be a legendary moment and endear him to his fans.

Instead he just goes down as a legendary douche.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:38 AM   #346
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Fucking hell. Add me to the PM list. I'm reading this interview now with my eyes between the fingers of my fucking hands. Might as well go the whole nine yards.

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Old 02-14-2018, 09:39 AM   #347
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are you really expecting they cannot fill these venues?

I know they didn't on the manson tour - but they did not have the promo nor live nation back up then either.

if they get 8k into 12k venues - that is not really a ruined tour, is it. financially.
There's no possible way they can fill those venues. At the Manson tour, it was at least 50% Manson fans who left in droves after SP started. And btw they needed groupon for that too.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:39 AM   #348
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I assume it's gonna do as much as Oceana or better. Because of James/Jimmy

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:39 AM   #349
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No its not as good as the stuff from the nineties but for me a guy who is going to write albums as emotionally intense and grandiose as Gish, Siamese Dream and MCIS is not going to be a calm, inoffensive Mr nice guy. The trend is that people who write music of such powerful intensity are usually emotional wrecks and very intense. We can thank his music on the fact that he is emotionally intense and egotistical.
lol. that may be a 'trend' within the music you listen to but there are plenty examples of much more emotionally intense music than SP at its peak, made by people who at least try to be somewhat decent.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:40 AM   #350
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There's no possible way they can fill those venues. At the Manson tour, it was at least 50% Manson fans who left in droves after SP started. And btw they needed groupon for that too.
true. but people didn't even realize (the general ticket buyer, I mean) that JC was around.

this is a 2000 line up after all. this time, with headlines. in true 90ies dysfunctional manner, no less. it's like you can tune in and forget that you hadn't heard of them or paid attention in 18 dang years - as casual who bought SD back then.

do you get a ticket to hear rat in a cage as target audience?

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:41 AM   #351
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Unless he commits some serious, socially unacceptable criminal offence I will always stick around as I know what he is capable of. I don't really care if he is a dick if he produces good music and I have enjoyed many of the post 2007 releases.
but hey, it's cool that you still enjoy the music, even the post '98 stuff (you must have mistakenly mentioned the wrong year)

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Old 02-14-2018, 09:44 AM   #352
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true. but people didn't even realize (the general ticket buyer, I mean) that JC was around.

this is a 2000 line up after all. this time, with headlines. in true 90ies dysfunctional manner, no less. it's like you can tune in and forget that you hadn't heard of them or paid attention in 18 dang years - as casual who bought SD back then.

do you get a ticket to hear rat in a cage as target audience?
i get where you are coming from, i really do. i just think that the general public's interest level in SP is very, very low. and he's planning on an arena tour. it just doesn't make any sense...there's no way they will have that level of ticket demand.

 
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I wonder why Melissa has never been considered for 2008/2012/2018

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:45 AM   #354
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I honestly would smirk if these arenas aren't even half full and Bolly "Soundgarden, Pavement and all these 90s bands just reunite as sell-out cash grab, I am not doing that" Corgan finds out he miscalculated.
I just don't want to get my hopes up to watch this trainwreck until August and then see - sold out, sold out, sold out.

 
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I wonder why Melissa has never been considered for 2008/2012/2018
she quit the business long ago if i'm not mistaken

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:46 AM   #356
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The best part about the venues being half full, is that it's only a matter of time before Billy turns on the audience and starts blaming them. And that's when we get YouTube gold.

 
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she quit the business long ago if i'm not mistaken
She's still in the music business with Basilica soundscape it seems.

http://thealt.com/2017/09/12/redisco...-auf-der-maur/

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:50 AM   #358
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Is he talking about the D'Arcy situation in this new Instagram post? Is he trying to supress his anger with spiritual references ('A Course in Miracles') ?

"It occurs to me that my music has been (and still is) a road map out of Hell, and not back to it, and I'm graced by the support of so many wonderful people in this moment."



 
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If his reaction is calm and collected, I'll be surprised as fuck.

 
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:55 AM   #360
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Kinda sick how he's clearly using his son as a photo prop to seem like he's normal. Because we know behind the scenes he's losing his shit and yelling at his lawyers "DO SOMETHING! SHE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS!"

 
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