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01-09-2014, 01:59 PM | #31 |
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01-09-2014, 02:08 PM | #32 |
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If I know music genres right, then I should be allowed and entitled to my opinion. Mellon Collie traverses more sub-genres within rock than any other album, and that is saying a lot. Not all the songs on this album fit into the mere category of 'alternative rock' as some would argue. Alternative is a broad bridge, but Mellon Collie is broader within the aspect of only being one album.
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01-09-2014, 02:40 PM | #33 |
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i could make up a bunch of sub-genres and apply it to any record i wished to make a counterargument, hence why everyone is laughing at you
you're not entitled to people respecting your opinion just because you thought it besides every time you say that i think white album white album white album but i'm sure that doesn't have post-anti-hardcore funk rock on it |
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01-09-2014, 02:44 PM | #34 | |
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01-09-2014, 02:47 PM | #35 |
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okay guy you're a real music critic then
demonstrating your appreciation for music you are white album sucks how countercultural |
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01-09-2014, 02:48 PM | #36 |
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how controversial i mean
doesnt' have post grungecore on it so i guess you're right |
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01-09-2014, 03:10 PM | #37 |
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I'm going to have to agree with HereIsNoWhy's sentiment. Shallowed is a fucking idiot and was just trying to start a pedantic argument because he thinks that is what nethporia is.
But back to the sentiment - No, I can't personally think of another album that covers such a broad range of musical "styles" under one roof. |
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01-09-2014, 03:27 PM | #38 |
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You should hit up fuzzyrose and jam together.
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01-09-2014, 04:19 PM | #39 |
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so jimmy is not coming back and it's because of HereIsNoWhy4U?
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01-09-2014, 05:24 PM | #40 |
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01-09-2014, 05:53 PM | #41 |
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is MCIS really even a double album?
when I bought it, it came with 5 disks. and the LP is known to be 3 or 4 vinyls. there was a thread on netphoria where fans made their own 1 disk MCIS, so is it really a double album? can HereIsNoWhy4U chime in as an expert!!? |
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01-09-2014, 07:52 PM | #42 |
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01-09-2014, 08:59 PM | #43 |
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Hereisnowhy4u, surely you realize that there is no objective genre classification and that all the lines you are drawing are arbitrary, right?
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01-09-2014, 09:09 PM | #44 |
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I mean like "metal" is a classification having to do with the sonic and topical properties of music, but alternative is not a sound. Nothing can "sound" alternative, it's just a huge umbrella label for underground and then later mainstream rock music in the 80s and 90s. So you aren't even being consistent with what sorts of lenses you are applying. It sounds ridiculous.
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01-09-2014, 09:12 PM | #45 |
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01-09-2014, 09:16 PM | #46 | |
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the electric lady is all over the place and that was just released a few months ago. doing that kind of thing is daring and audacious and it doesn't happen much but it certainly does happen good call on shallowed his arguments are always the dumbest semantics |
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01-09-2014, 09:17 PM | #47 |
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i mean generally i just have a problem with defining genres too closely to the point where there's multiple subgenres of things that are already subgenres
grouping stuff is necessary but music shouldn't be cataloged like living creatures |
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01-09-2014, 09:23 PM | #48 |
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honestly mellon collie is really diverse sounding because of Corgan's master adeptness at the loud/soft dynamic but I don't think it covers an unusually wide range of genres. I guess if you are going to invent a thousand sub-genres to prove your own point?
a song like tonight tonight can't even really be classified alongside anything else IMO. orchestral rock is not really a thing (or maybe it is, we should ask the genre professor). Then there are some hard rock songs not too far removed from the style cut on SD (Jellybelly, Here is no Why, Muzzle, Ruby), and some thrashy metal type numbers (cyber punk is what corgan called it) like zero, toase, bodies, love. then you have the soft songs, which are pretty indicative of corgan's gentler offerings from all across his career, including some weird shit like cupid de locke. Certainly a lot of sonic diversity |
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01-09-2014, 10:02 PM | #49 | |
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I would prefer to use the word "styles" over the word "genres", and there's a wide range of styles happening. More so than any other album I can think of but admittedly I'm not trying very hard. |
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01-09-2014, 10:15 PM | #50 |
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I really think what you are trying to articulate has a lot more to do with the power of Corgan's songwriting and the striking individuality of each track a lot more so than covering a large number of styles or genres or anything. the soft songs are soft and the heavy ones are heavy, each one stands clearly apart from its bookends, but with much of the Pumpkins music I find it difficult to apply genre labels to a lot of it. The band had an absolutely superior approach to dissecting its influences and then putting them back together in unexpected and often not immediately recognizable ways.
buuuut it's all still very SP. The White album probably covers more styles and does so intentionally out of novelty. you have songs that are consciously bluesy, rockabilly, tin pin alley, folksy, psychedelic noise, plus a lot of totally weird shit. I don't see MCIS as trying to do this. I think its vision is more just to take the sound the Pumpkins had cultivated (fairly original sounding already) and then press all those different sides into the far corners of the room so to speak. |
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01-09-2014, 10:32 PM | #51 |
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the white album sucks man, totally overrated. beatles are boring. i'm a musician.
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01-09-2014, 11:25 PM | #52 |
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I was gonna say "You don't know what your talking about!" but you are a musician apparently, so you must be 100% right
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01-10-2014, 03:38 AM | #53 |
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musicians know music. that's how they be musicians and stuff. there's like degrees given to these people too.
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01-10-2014, 11:18 AM | #54 |
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Found this on Digg the other day:
100 Years of Rock Visualized http://www.concerthotels.com/100-years-of-rock My wife and I had a fun time playing the samples for each other and trying to guess the artist and genre. Last edited by Baffler_Meal : 01-10-2014 at 11:35 AM. |
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01-10-2014, 11:20 AM | #55 |
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I categorize all my Pumpkins stuff as Rock in iTunes because it doesn't fucking matter.
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01-10-2014, 11:36 AM | #56 |
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01-10-2014, 11:43 AM | #57 |
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I have so much SP in my catalog, I just gave then their own genre. i only bother giving appropriate genres to music I'm not familiar with.
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01-10-2014, 01:14 PM | #58 |
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I've never bothered with genre tags in iTunes
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01-10-2014, 06:20 PM | #59 |
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I was really into genre categorization when I was in high school but now I'm not
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01-10-2014, 07:09 PM | #60 |
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i live the chillwave lifestyle
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