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Old 07-15-2018, 11:29 PM   #61
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Quiet really was the best possible choice for a second track, I think. The ascending guitars into the first verse really give it a "now let's get this shit into gear" feelafter Cherub Rock opens.

You could have taken out Quiet and gone from Cherub Rock straight into Today. A one-two punch (god, I hate that expression) of hit singles frontloading the album, then you're already in the more substantial middle part.

Quiet does the second track thing so well that it wouldn't sound right anywhere else. If you replaced it with HKK, it doesn't have to go in the same spot. I think between Geek and Mayonaise could have worked well.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:34 AM   #62
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Cherub Rock into Today would feel rushed.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:57 AM   #63
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aw fuck it

from best to worst:

hummer
mayonaise
rocket
soma
geek usa
disarm
cherub rock
silverfuck
quiet
luna
today
sweet, sweet
spaceboy
hummer at the top?? that's bold. I mean that outro...but still. don't know about this

seems kinda whack

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:22 AM   #64
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Easier if you do it in tears.

Tear One:

Soma/Mayo/Rocket/Hummer

Tear Two:

Silverfuck/Geek/Cherub Rock/Quiet/Luna

Tear Three

Disarm/Today/Spaceboy/Sweet Sweet

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:37 AM   #65
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Easier if you do it in tears.
It sure is.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:03 AM   #66
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what kind of sick fuckin game are you fuckin playin here
lol, i definitely thought i wrote today, sweet sweet, spaceboy in that order. that's what i meant anyway

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:08 AM   #67
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hummer at the top?? that's bold. I mean that outro...but still. don't know about this

seems kinda whack
mayonaise is probably a better song but hummer is still my choice. always been my fav, since i was 11 or whatever

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:33 AM   #68
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Easier if you do it in tears.
I would have thought tiers would be easier, myself.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:39 AM   #69
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Just got tooked.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:39 AM   #70
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:40 AM   #71
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You'd think misspelling it four times in one post would of clued him onto it but no.

Probably an anglo-saxon.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:15 AM   #72
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Easier if you do it in tears.

Tear One:

Soma/Mayo/Rocket/Hummer

Tear Two:

Silverfuck/Geek/Cherub Rock/Quiet/Luna

Tear Three

Disarm/Today/Spaceboy/Sweet Sweet
You know what, I accept this.

"Tears" aside.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:25 AM   #73
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You'd think misspelling it four times in one post would of clued him onto it but no.

Probably an anglo-saxon.
I would have thought mis-spelling it four times would imply you don't know how to spell it, but never mind.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:04 AM   #74
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took is a poet

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:44 PM   #75
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and he doesn't even know it.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:49 PM   #76
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Um, actually no one is more aware of my senescence of self then myself.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:56 PM   #77
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disarm is actually an amazing song but it's been overplayed. if it hadn't been a single it'd be a fan favorite. imo. as far as strength as a pure emotional songwriting exercise (for lack of a better term), it's up there with tonight tonight. it gets across complex emotions way out of the ability of most songwriters.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:11 PM   #78
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I used to be a little boy; so old in my shoes always gets me

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:12 PM   #79
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Agreed. Plus I'm not a big fan of the production on the album. If it was more like the live 94 versions, with clean electric, Iha's leads, and live drums, it'd be great. (Like I'm all for lush, dreamy songs, but the live version is just so much better to me)

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:15 PM   #80
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best three song sp moment is soma --> geek --> mayo

no doubt

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:17 PM   #81
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disarm is actually an amazing song but it's been overplayed. if it hadn't been a single it'd be a fan favorite. imo. as far as strength as a pure emotional songwriting exercise (for lack of a better term), it's up there with tonight tonight. it gets across complex emotions way out of the ability of most songwriters.
it's a phenomenal song

Geek
Disarm
Mayo
Rocket
Hummer
Soma
Cherub Rock
Quiet
Silvercrank
Today
Spaceboy
Luna
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:24 PM   #82
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disarm is actually an amazing song but it's been overplayed. if it hadn't been a single it'd be a fan favorite.
That's an interesting thought. Mayonaise could have been a hit single,at least as popular as Cherub Rock. Now I'm glad it's not, otherwise I might have that same feeling of overexposure like I have with most of their singles.

 
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best three song sp moment is soma --> geek --> mayo

no doubt
I think that's tied with MCIS->Tonite->Jelly

both are fucking incredible triplets that show off the band's musical range

I would also like to say that a set of (Hummer, Rocket) would show up in that but Today and Disarm are such sleepers (/singles) at this point

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:28 PM   #84
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That's an interesting thought. Mayonaise could have been a hit single,at least as popular as Cherub Rock. Now I'm glad it's not, otherwise I might have that same feeling of overexposure like I have with most of their singles.
Isn't Mayonaise a bit too...avant-garde to be a single? It's 6 minutes and has too many dynamic interludes for radio rawk

I remember a Corgan interview where he was incredibly pissed when he was listening to Mayo on the radio and they cut the solo out

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:56 PM   #85
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I don't think you know what avante-garde means man

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:21 PM   #86
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During the Pinfield interview in 2011, Corgan mentioned he always considered it the weakest song on the album, and really only put it on after D'arcy and Jimmy convinced him it was worth keeping. He also said they were the ones who pushed to play it live. He said the same thing about "Geek U.S.A." as well, but admitted he grew to love that song, but never felt entirely comfortable with "Quiet."

And we wonder why this man makes such track list choices post-2000.
I remember him saying that the song wasn't very good in the Siamese reissue liner notes.

I think it's great. It kind of foreshadows the harder, more angsty tracks that would be on MCIS, while still having that Siamese density and gloss. Simple but pulse-pounding riff. The lyrics have some strong imagery ("silent metal mercies castrate boys to the bone," and the solo is melodic yet urgent.

I think that Corgan just has shitty taste in SP music. He's probably right about needing additional pairs of ears (like Wretzky's) to keep him on track, because he can't properly assess the value of his own work. Being surrounded by yes-people is likely a large part of the reason why post-reunion SP music has gone downhill.

 
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:52 PM   #87
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:52 PM   #88
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Corgan just has shitty taste in SP music
Could we edit the netphoria title image to have this as the tagline?

 
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Behind me, the grace of falling snow // covers up everything you know is one of his prettiest lyrics, sung over one of his heaviest riffs

 
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