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07-03-2014, 09:46 PM | #61 |
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hey fuzzyroses, just want to congratulate your hero omega concern here. he's got a lot of wisdom, don't he?
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07-03-2014, 09:46 PM | #62 |
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It's nothing new though.
Don't remember her name, some well-known American tv lady and I got confused when TOC kept referring to her as "guy." Turned out she has short hair and/or is a lesbian, therefore a guy. Lost cause. |
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07-03-2014, 10:02 PM | #63 |
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This whole case just disgusts me.
I could give a fuck about Hobby Lobby's "rights" but listening to men crowing on in righteous indignation about birth control access and misogyny makes me sick. Men have always had more to gain from birth control than women ever have. Also if I see one more article discussing the human "need" to have non-procreative sex I stg |
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07-03-2014, 10:17 PM | #64 |
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del: nevermind not worth trying to talk to charmbag about feminism
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07-03-2014, 10:34 PM | #65 |
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Does hobby lobby provide amazing matt leave or daycare? Do they pay for tube tying?
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07-03-2014, 10:40 PM | #66 |
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a huge percentage of women on contraceptives use them for purposes other than pregnancy prevention. I know a woman whose menstrual cycle is so crippling she would literally be unemployable if not for birth control.
Hobby Lobby is not coming from a place of devout belief obviously because 1) they own investments in contraceptive and abortion-related products and 2) they had no problem with these medicines until Obamacare. this is solely about destroying Obama and just not giving two shits if the cost is access to affordable and safe healthcare for women |
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07-03-2014, 10:44 PM | #67 |
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Hobby Lobby covers birth control pills.
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07-03-2014, 10:48 PM | #68 |
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07-03-2014, 10:52 PM | #69 | |
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If they don't that should be also publicized: They don't care about working mothers or babies either. |
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07-03-2014, 10:52 PM | #70 |
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Why mention this if you are aware that your friend can be employed by Hobby Lobby and be covered for contraceptives that would solve this medical issue for her?
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07-03-2014, 10:57 PM | #71 |
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yeah it's just really not worth it engaging with you, believe me I have learned my lesson in the past
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07-03-2014, 11:09 PM | #72 |
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Like is it just me or does that make no sense? Can someone else help me out here?
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07-03-2014, 11:22 PM | #73 |
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charmbag i think it's much less philosophical and much more some other kind of issue that makes you take what should be allies and makes them enemies
i understand RBG is annoying but being upset that men are upset about the hobby lobby case is bewildering and inexplicable |
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07-03-2014, 11:22 PM | #74 |
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I'm kinda lost, too.
> rbg: menstruation etc. birth control pills > charms: they cover birth control pills > rbg: I know, not worth discussing it with you What are you two arguing about? |
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07-03-2014, 11:23 PM | #75 |
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i mean beyond the fact that ultimately the outrage should be about the incredibly dangerous precedent this sets
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07-03-2014, 11:24 PM | #76 |
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but yeah i'm not sure what they are arguing about, i just think it's really weird how charms is mad that men are *peers over glasses* "crowing on in righteous indignation about birth control access and misogyny"
because yeah, fuck em right |
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07-03-2014, 11:28 PM | #77 |
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i mean to be honest, bringing up that they do cover birth control pills as if this makes it okay is just fucking gobsmacking
i mean, i KNOW you understand the implications of this ruling. who fucking cares about the specifics of hobby lobby what about all the other corporations who can now line item veto coverage because the SCOTUS says so i mean correct me if i'm wrong. lord knows i'm dying to be wrong about this. |
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07-03-2014, 11:34 PM | #78 |
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Yeah that line is what is confusing to me.
I mean is Charmbag saying men are saying that while ultimately still treating women like shit? It's like, if you want the world to improve for women w/r/t misogyny, how is men "crowing" over issues such as this not a necessary part of that, or at least a good sign? What should men do instead, mind their own business? Quietly support the women in their lives? Own their own misogyny and hang themselves? I don't get it. |
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07-03-2014, 11:39 PM | #79 | |
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I don't agree with the terms the entire conversation is happening on. I'm not sure who these allies are supposed to be? I don't have liberal sexual politics. On the conservative front, I've been annoyed at the smug insincerity of people pretending that it's a "free country" so if an employer doesn't cover certain medical costs people can just "go buy them somewhere else". When something is not affordable it might as well be banned. I get that. There are layers here. |
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07-03-2014, 11:40 PM | #80 |
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I'll spell one thing out for you and you can have fun with that: I literally think that if people (including women) don't want to get pregnant, they shouldn't have sexual intercourse.
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07-03-2014, 11:41 PM | #81 |
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yeah there's layers i just...i know you're not a sexual liberal, and i'm not either
However, I do get the impression that men talking feminism and misogyny bothers you full stop. I think that's why I'm just kind of Gahhh and it's not just about this thing you were talking about the "terms" of it, and breaking it down you're right about that. about how it's about morning after pills and libs are throwing this fucking fit about women's rights because this precedent is horrifying and it implicates all of our rights |
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07-03-2014, 11:41 PM | #82 | |
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07-03-2014, 11:43 PM | #83 |
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No, I just don't buy the sincerity of men's concern for women's wellbeing when 99% of the time you're all talking about how it's "wrong to shame sluts" and "women should be able to fuck me consequence-free. girl power"
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07-03-2014, 11:43 PM | #84 |
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07-03-2014, 11:50 PM | #85 |
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FIRST OF ALL: who the FUCK is "you all" when you quote my post. I don't think I have EVER used the phrase "slut shaming" and please. I'm some kind of lothario Casanova. Come on, what kind of character am i in your imagination?
don't type cast every single man and think their motives are ultimately duplicitous. like i said before that falls more into the issues category than philosophy i mean i'm sure you're right about a lot of it, self-interest is a motivator. sexually liberating women is more sexy sex for all men everywhere right? (no) back to the point: now a religiously oriented company, like the one i temped at that had prayer meetings, can basically strike out anything they want. i mean, if i understand this ruling correctly, which i hope i don't. but then there's this whole aspect of the oversexualization of our culture and why modern people feel like they have a god damn right to fuck as much as they want because freedom and condoms. i'm really not disagreeing with you about how if you don't want kids you shouldn't be fucking. nah, that's fair. but this ruling is much bigger than that much much bigger |
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07-03-2014, 11:55 PM | #86 | |
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Outside of some religious groupings this is simply not what the world looks like. According to this general statement what "people" shouldn't do, you want the sex for babbies only doctrine for the entire planet, or am I misunderstanding you A couple (married or not) lives together but should stay abstinent when they don't want to populate this planet some more (or can't afford to) instead of using contraception? |
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07-03-2014, 11:56 PM | #87 | |
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And I said, though perhaps too vaguely, that I am not defending a corporation's right to dictate anything be it for monetary or dubious "ethical" concerns. But most of the taglines I've seen have been men posturing about women's rights and acting shocked that Hobby Lobby covers vasectomies when if they knew the basic facts of this case it would be clear that there is no double standard at work there. That's what I choose to comment on because it's boring to preach to the choir about how our economic system is evil at every level. |
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07-03-2014, 11:58 PM | #88 |
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The world is a pretty terrible place so maybe we shouldn't aspire to the lowest common denominator.
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07-03-2014, 11:59 PM | #89 |
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I am trying to think of a way other than abortion type stuff could see the same prob.
Someone on my FB was talking about aids drugs. Although a religious group could say they are against gays, AIDS isn't a disease that affects only gay people so how can you get around that? You can't say then no drugs for gays because that is discrimination. I think a religious company could deny medical pot. Maybe even blood transfusions. |
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07-04-2014, 12:02 AM | #90 |
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Maybe Christian Scientists could deny all medical coverage. Scientologists could deny psych drugs or vaccines or whatever. But yeah I think mostly we're gonna be tossing the ball back and forth over the same issues we always are, just in a different court.
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