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Old 04-15-2009, 04:14 PM   #1
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Default Too bad JC Zeroman isn't in the US now...

he is missing out on all those Tea Parties...

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Pajamas TV, a conservative Web site that says it gets about 1 million viewers a week, ran streaming video from several protests. PJTV hired McCain campaign poster boy Samuel Joseph "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher to act as a reporter at one of the protests. At least one video shows a protester asking Wurzelbacher if he would like to waterboard Obama.

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p.s. don't move this to the shitty political board please

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:25 PM   #2
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:26 PM   #4
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Maybe these idiots will be surprised
Report Comment by think??? @ 10:36am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
And maybe the party goers will protest the new flat tax in Utah that makes 90% of the state pay more taxes, not less.
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Report Comment by Will Mcfee @ 10:37am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
hea tea hea! itenomesane!
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LOL
Report Comment by Knows It All @ 10:57am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Haista vittu
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Good luck
Report Comment by Alta Dude @ 11:37am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
with that whole "tea party" thing. Nothing will ever change. It never does.
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ANARCHISTS UNITED
Report Comment by B L. @ 11:55am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The conservative underground is promoting anarchy and lawlessness.

I hope conservatives don't burn any buildings or overturn any cars.
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Report Comment by Legal Eagle @ 1:26pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
No, we'll leave that to the lefties.
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HISTORY LESSON FOR THE ANARCHISTS
Report Comment by B L. @ 1:34pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The Boston tea party protested "Taxation WITHOUT Reprsesentation"

The conservative anarchists at these tea parties are protesting taxation in spite of their represtentation.

REPUBLICANS ARE ANARCHISTS. No wonder that conservative Republicans have become such a small minority in America.
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We ARE protesting taxation without representation!
Report Comment by darlin85 @ 1:47pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
When you spend so much that you are taxing our future generation, they don't have representation because they haven't even been born yet!
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LAZY WHINING ANARCHISTS
Report Comment by B L. @ 2:03pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Lazy whining anarchists make me sick.

Conservative Anarchists should go to Walter Reed, and tell our wounded vetrans how they don't want to sacrifice anything for our nation.

Conservative Anarchists should tell the wounded vetrans who lost a limb that they won't sacrifice anything for America.

Conservative Republican Anarchists are a DISGRACE!!!
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What are you
Report Comment by budwa @ 2:17pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
talking about. You find a true conservative, you will find someone willing to bend over backwards for a wounded veteran.
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Report Comment by ICS4S @ 2:05pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Sounds like a [no swearing please] bunch of dirty hippies, maybe they should stop protesting and get a job
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I find that amusing as well.
Report Comment by budwa @ 2:21pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
It will only take so long before those that laud those that protest all things conservative to come out and start bashing those for protesting all things liberal. Looks like the validity of a protest is rooted in whether one agrees or not.

How weird is that?

And the typical liberal protester is now the ones that have a problem with this protest? They are all about community action, and backing a cause....unless they disagree. Weird I tell ya.
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Whining conservatives
Report Comment by thereisnogod @ 2:16pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The people that are getting thier taxes raised are the richest people in america. They are just mad because they are the minority these days and they can't take as much money as they used to. BOO HOO
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Speaking of "lawlessness (B.L.)
Report Comment by DAbel @ 1:48pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Isn't it about time Obama stop skirting the law that states "Only a natural born citizen of the united States may become president"?! Why is he SO intent on hiding this?
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Probably not...
Report Comment by Hueydriver @ 2:06pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
That sort of foolish behavior is usually practiced by weak-minded liberal cry babies. Liberals tend to react (emotionally); conservatives are more prone to think and then act.
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Ha!
Report Comment by ChristianMom @ 11:55am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
These teabaggers are idiots!

Stand out of the way, idiots, and let Obama repair much of what you and W created!
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Bush did plenty of Damage
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 12:12pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
If only he would repair what Bush had done:
Rescind the billions for Perscription Drugs
Discourage the Laissez-Faire border attitude
Give the remaining TARP money back to the tax payers
Allow the banks to pay back their debts the the tax payers
*Let* the big three automakers go to bankruptcy court like everyone else.
And while he's letting them fail, he can let the insolvent banks fail too.

Yes, Bush left quite a legacy of betrayal to conservative values. Oh, that Obama would return to values of honesty, integrity, accountability and the rule of law.

I wish that was what the tea party was reported being about, returning to governing by such principles rather than grumping about a flatter tax.
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Kudos, my friend.
Report Comment by James K. @ 12:20pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I don't get how people don't understand that George Bush, aside from abortion, was basically a liberal. We've had 16.3 consecutive years of liberal 'leadership', and like those cities that have languished under liberal rule for decades, it's showing.
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Two good moves from Bush
Report Comment by Kevin J. @ 12:59pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I can give credit to GW for two things.

The appointment of Chief Justice John Glover Roberts, Jr.
The appointment of Justice Samuel Anthony Alito, Jr.
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Touchez
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 1:13pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Yes, but it took some doing and some poor choices to sift through to get there.
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Strong work, AT
Report Comment by MatchGrade @ 12:53pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Why do these people think this started with Obama? TARP started under BUSH. AIG bailout started under BUSH. All the regulations that were in place to prevent this economic meltdown were removed by the Republican congress and BUSH. Ninety days in to his presidency and they think that Obama is responsible for this? How fair is that? He inherited a sinking ship and it seems to me that it's only fair that he's given a chance and a decent amount of time to try and turn things around. Don't forget that all these banks getting bailed out were ALL giant Republican party contributors, not Democrats.
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Passed the Baton
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 1:10pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
So far as I can tell, Obama has accepted that batton and kept running- only faster.

I must admit to some doubt in your claim that the bailed out banks never donated a cent to any democrat, so I looked up googled Barney Frank and conributions from AIG. The second link:
Light shed on AIG as a political cash cow : World & Nation : The Buffalo News

Here are a few juicy quotes:
"Dodd has accepted $280,238 in campaign cash from AIG’s political committee and employees in the last 20 years."

"Schumer has accepted $111,875 from AIG donors over two decades."

"Baucus collected $90,000 from those connected to the insurance giant that has received more than $170 billion in federal bailout funds."

"Obama was one of four people who ran for the presidency who ranked in the top five of recipients of AIG employee and political committee donations over the last two decades. He pulled in $107,332, mostly for his presidential race. "

Oddly, Franks take wasn't listed, but Obama? Who would of thought?
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huh?
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 1:19pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
For the one who voted me 'huh?', it might be helpful to read the post prior to mine to gather some context for my comment.
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Bush? Obama? just puppets
Report Comment by Nate S. @ 12:55pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Bush? Obama? just puppets.....
I think Obama is about 10000000000000% Worse then Bush was
wait and see we will be Socialist/Communist America by the time he is out of office just wait and see we are already down that Road
listen to him talk about Giving Mine and your wealth to other LAZY PEOPLE!!!!!!

If I work my butt off why should I pay more taxes?

hmm Income Taxes= Against the Constitution
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Just wasting time pointing fingers
Report Comment by SMB @ 1:07pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Each President is the representative of the GOVERNMENT and it doesn't matter which party D or R (and someday maybe I or C) is in charge - the government has been growing too large and too oppressive for far too long. This started clear back with the first President Roosevelt and if you don't believe me - read a couple of older history books, don't get the current ones, they might not be totally unobjective.

The government is growing into what our Founding Fathers were trying to avoid - a Rulers government with power coming from the top, rights being granted at the will of the ruler and the people depending on the largesse of the government in order to live their lives.

That was the reason behind the first tea parties, they were really protests against the oppressive gov't of King George. The tea tax was just an example of the oppression and was the burr under the saddle to get the people riled up enough to act.

If you object to the policies of any of the recent Presidents, and or of Congress - I don't care what initial you have on your voter registration card - join with the other AMERICANS that feel the same way and let yourself be counted as caring enough to join the protest.
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Re: Taxes againt constitution?
Report Comment by PurpleReign @ 1:09pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Where do you think they get the money to pay for the municipal building where one of these stupid tea-bagging orgies is being held? So do you not want cops or teachers or fire trucks, etc, etc?

Oh, and, THE TROOPS! Why don't you support the troops? Your taxes pay their wages?
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income tax
Report Comment by gemstone @ 1:12pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Nate, you say income tax is against the Constitution. Well then, the government has been going against the Constitution for over 100 years. Maybe we need to attack the people who started taxing income in the first place.
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Which one was it?
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 1:17pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
There was an amendment, I want to say between 14th and 16th, to the Constitution that introduced the Federal Income Tax. Oddly enough, Utah never actually ratified that amendment. At least we have a leg to stand on.
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Nice job! The press is spinning it again!
Report Comment by Darren H. @ 2:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
This wasn't about income tax. It is about government spending what they don't have. It is about forcing it down our childrens throats despite promises of allowing time to read the bill. Its about the rush to do something without thinking of the consequences, although I think they have. It is about irresponsibility and laying it on our shoulders. The tax party was not about the tax system
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If you want less Government...
Report Comment by Katherine J. @ 1:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Salt Lake City: Noon, Federal Building Plaza, 125 S. State St.
Ogden: Noon, Municipal Building at 2549 Washington Blvd.
Logan: 4:00 p.m., 241 N. Main St., south of City Hall
Provo: 5:00 p.m., Old Utah County Courthouse, corner of University and Center.
St. George: 5:00 p.m., Vernon Worthen Park.
Richfield: 5:30 p.m., City Park, 3rd N. Main St.
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Great Post
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 1:20pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Thanks
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Video
Report Comment by PurpleReign @ 1:27pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Here is the first YouTube video of the Utah events. I don't think these people are idiots at all! They are patriots!

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!

Here is the video from the SLC tea party:

YouTube - RickRoll'D
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Iced tea party
Report Comment by steve151237 @ 12:26pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
It's cold out there.
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steve
Report Comment by gemstone @ 1:18pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Exactly, cold tea. I'm not getting my fannie out in the cold today for a tea party.
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Oh, Really..
Report Comment by Hueydriver @ 2:01pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Then how come we are not still paying taxes to the king of England?
Things do change. The current direction this country is taking had better change - or we will no longer belong to a free Republic, but a communist state run by tyrannical fools.
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Report Comment by Pagan_Peta @ 1:06pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
painu vittu maisemista!

Sä istut ja tuijotat, lakkaamatta louskutat
Niin sekavaa tarinaa, se kiviäkin kiinostaa

Hei vitun urpo, katoa!! katoa!!
en kestä yhtään enempää
muiden hermoja repimään

Katoa vitun urpo!
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lol
Report Comment by Phil D Snuts @ 2:11pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
chinga tu madre [removed]
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Will Mcfee
Report Comment by badfeet @ 11:00am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I was wondering who the "idiots" were in think??'s comment above. Obviously, you are who he is referring to. What a comment !
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Probably not many.
Report Comment by budwa @ 10:40am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Those that are paying the taxes can't show up because they are WORKING!!!
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Report Comment by slllc @ 10:54am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
yeah, but they can send their 6+ children instead
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As long
Report Comment by badfeet @ 11:01am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
as they are legal. The illegal's don't have to worry about paying taxes, or social security, or any of the other taxes I have paid ofr over 50 years so they can suck off the money.
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Illegals don't pay social security?
Report Comment by wilco64256 @ 11:04am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Only if they're paid under the table. If they have an ITIN or are using someone else's SSN and are paid as a regular employee with a W-2 then they are paying Social Security and Medicare just like everybody else.
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of course many new-in US- illegals are paid "under the table" from the democrats nannys to farm workers
Report Comment by zara @ 11:41am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
they are not getting paid minimum wage either.
But they are getting a college education and having kids to be US citizens and their kids like to join gangs...etc etc.
OB will make them all citizens, Maybe we should just take over Mexico, dump the money the Illegals are costing us into Mexico and they could all go home!
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HANNITY GETTING TEABAGGED BY LIMBAUGH (EWW!)
Report Comment by B L. @ 12:01pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
These teabagging parties are crude & gay.
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HANNITY GETTING TEABAGGED BY LIMBAUGH (EWW!)
Report Comment by IBOLD @ 12:29pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The question is, will Hannity then toss Limbaugh's salad?
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Are you saying
Report Comment by budwa @ 2:24pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
that every conservative has 6+ children. That's just stupid.
Even if it were true, at least they would be feeding their own
6+ children instead of looking for someone else to do it for them. I am a fiscal conservative, and I don't have anywhere near 6+ children, but you can be da*n sure my taxes go to pay for others that do through the endless social programs!
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Precious Vacation Time
Report Comment by William S. @ 10:59am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I, a working individual, will be making the sacrifice of some vacation time to make a statement about my strong feelings about excess government. Please join me. As I said elsewhere here, can't we all just agree that DC is messed up and all the slime bags need to go?
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Good for you
Report Comment by badfeet @ 11:03am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I will be doing the same as it is worth it. may the protests continue to grow and be reflected at the voting booths. Please, please don't just elect someone because he is the incumbant. Research voting records and their platform. Then HOLD THEM TO IT.
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Rob Bishop
Report Comment by William S. @ 11:05am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Should go. Just read yesterdays newspaper.
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As long as you're researching
Report Comment by Greenly @ 11:14am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
you might want to know who is behind these "grass roots" tea parties. (Hint - it's not grass roots folks.....)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/op...13krugman.html
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While I agree
Report Comment by winter1 @ 11:17am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I can't believe you are citing the NY Times as your proof. Not exactly an unbiased source.
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No, of course not, Winter.
Report Comment by Greenly @ 11:27am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I read all sorts of different news sources. But this column does source the "tea party" push accurately and makes me wonder why so many people just blindly follow along.

The odd thing, as the article points out, is that taxes have only been raised on the very richest among us and even then still at 10% LESS than when Reagan was president. It's obvious to me that the millionaires and billionaires out there would like the middle class to continue to support them. AND THEN they try to get us "underlings" to protest for them.

I find that to be "grinding the faces of the poor" at its worst.
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I agree somewhat
Report Comment by winter1 @ 11:33am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
but I think there is more to it than that.
California is a great example of the problem. When the govenernment expands and creates more debt, eventually it falls to the people to pay for it. Californians are being taxed out of their minds because of their State's debt.
Our government continues to spend at an alarming rate and there is no way that the middle class won't be saddled with paying for this. Both parties are to blame. Both have had their shot at controlling the purse strings in the congress. Neither has changed the course we are on and it is getting worse at a much more rapid pace. I think our nation as a whole is following the same pattern as California.
If the middle class doesn't stand up now and make our voices heard, the time will come when we no longer have one.
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I understand your point
Report Comment by Greenly @ 11:43am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
(and thank you so much for an intelligent discussion!) but I think it's also important for people to understand who the voices are behind these things before just blindly going along.

So many of our issues today were created by the very people who are now "pulling the strings" of us common folk, trying to get US to take responsibility for what were their mistakes. Our taxes have not been raised - only the taxes of the very rich have been raised. That's the purpose of these tea parties- to get their taxes lowered and, by default, ours then raised back up - and the rich are behind their inception.

That many are also protesting the growth of government in these times, in addition to a perceived (and unreal for the average taxpayer) tax raise, is an offshoot of the original purpose, but still valuable, at least to those who protest. (But note, it will still be called a "tea party" in the media, indicating a tax issue.)

You are so right that "both parties are to blame" for the current mess. Most fail to even discuss the issue rationally, hotly blaming the opposition (whichever) instead. So thanks again for a reasoned discussion!
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Ditto to you.
Report Comment by winter1 @ 12:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I appreciate it
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Thank you
Report Comment by turtlehitman @ 12:51pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Thank you both for not reducing yourselves to name calling. I am going to the one in St. George and I just want to say it is not the place we are at that I am protesting but the direction that we are headed. That is the huge spending that is happening.
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The problem is...
Report Comment by Fishman @ 1:39pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
that we haven't even begun to pay back the money they are spending now. If something isn't done the future tax burden will be crushing.
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I think the hope is
Report Comment by Greenly @ 1:49pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
that the economy will recover sufficiently to pay itself back, in essence. Some of that money that went out in October is now being repaid. A good sign.
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taxes are going up for the "average taxpayer"
Report Comment by darlin85 @ 2:08pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
If you think that taxes have not increased and are not going to increase for the average taxpayer then perhaps you should do some research beyond the NY times for so-called "news sources". Taxes have been raised in every conceivable way, except income taxes because the administration and congress said they wouldn't and they don't want to anger the middle class "main street" folks that elected them.

If you smoke, your taxes have gone up. If you drive a car, your taxes have gone up. If you ride the bus, your taxes have gone up. If you do any of the major middle class activities, like owning a phone, purchasing a home, giving to charity, etc etc you have or will soon see your taxes go up significantly. You seem to be keen on looking into who is supposedly behind the tea parties, but not too keen on really looking at the hidden tax increases and those that MUST come down at some point to pay for doubling the budget of the nation this year. Who is going to pay for that? You think the rich will? Even if they do, you think that's okay? I don't. I hope that one day I can be in the above a quarter million income range. I am working hard to acheive the American dream. But when you tax individuals who are working hard, creating jobs, and giving to our nation's charities at a more than 50% overall rate - what's the point in working so hard??

I do foresee that I will at least reach that goal sooner than expected. The unavoidable inflation will mean that my current $40K per year income will be the $250K equivalent in just a few short years.
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I think most people
Report Comment by Greenly @ 2:25pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
are protesting taxes they assume are coming from the Obama administration, which, as you state, have actually been lowered, as promised, for the middle class.

I totally agree with your anger concerning the "hidden taxes" and I share that anger. If these tea parties were aimed at the right target, that would be just fine. I am quite angry that the Utah State legislature budgeted for so much junk this year, and raised our car registration fees, etc.

I'm glad you will reach your goal. We are nearing retirement and have lost most of our 401k. So do not mistake that I am a happy camper about all this - I am extremely angry at those who brought it about, through greed and stupidity.

But I contend that the reason we are hearing about this issue (in the form of tea parties) is also because the very rich want their tax break back - even though they retain more now than they did under Reagan. I find that to be obscene, since their tax break lasted eight years and the middle class paid for it.

And I don't for a minute think that the far-right has nothing to gain in all this, politically. I'll say it yet again - if you want to know the truth in the news, you must go to ALL sources, not just the ones that seemingly match your ideology. I have worked for newspapers - ALL news sources have bias. If you do not understand that, then you are not getting the truth. To get the truth, you put it together as you read ALL the different sources.
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For a different take on how the Tea Parties started ...
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 12:03pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Read Michelle Malkin's explanation. There may be "millionaires and billionaires" (and opportunistic politicians) trying to jump the bandwagon, but these parties were not organized by them.

Michelle Malkin A Tax Day Tea Party cheat sheet: How it all started
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PooBear...
Report Comment by Greenly @ 12:16pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Thanks for joining the discussion in such a reasoned manner. I really enjoy a good discussion that does not devolve into name calling and obscene one-liners!

Your source, Michelle Malkin (a conservative blogger) talks about Keli Carender, who is organizing Seattle's April 15 protest. It is probably true that Keli is herself "innocent" of the big names behind the idea, but she did not start the idea itself. There are probably many, many innocent people who will both start their own local protests and attend those same events. But it is vitally important to see the men behind the machinations, just like in Oz.

If we see them and still don't care, that's one thing. But if we think that this is a "grass roots" movement, and that those behind this whole thing have nothing to gain (and, in fact, they have A LOT to gain, financially and politically), then we need to be educated before we simply "join up."

That's my thinking, anyway.
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and yet another version
Report Comment by Greenly @ 1:45pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
of how these things got started.

Nationwide 'tea party' protests blast bailouts - CNN.com

More important than how they got started (which truth will probably never be discovered...) is to ask who will benefit. I still say that the middle class will never benefit - this is something the wealthy want returned to them.
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Never heard of Freedom Works
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 12:42pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The portion you are referencing from your article:

"Last but not least: it turns out that the tea parties don’t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They’re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News."

This paragraph was the only one that didn't seem condescending or riduculing, but that's what you can expect with opinion columns.

As I don't actually watch Fox News, I do listen to Glenn Beck and saw his episode where he introduced THE912PROJECT.COM. I am in total agreement that they are being promoted heavily by Fox news. I guess if you have a talk show host urging you to do it doesn't mean it's any less grass roots. Glenn's web site is giving people tips on how to organize such events and encouraging people to meet and discuss the country with their neighbors. Sounds pretty grass roots to me.

One other thing Glenn has spoken of, with regard to getting neighbors together, is that as part of teh media, he subscribed to recieve the high tech text announcement of Obama's VP choice. No on a list as a supposed supporter he recieves e-mail from the administration telling people to do the same thing. Organize yourselves. Talk to neighbors about my policies.

I don't blame him for doing it, and I'm certainly not ridiculing, marginalizing, or painting them as right wing extremists that need to be watched over.
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Agreed, Another
Report Comment by Greenly @ 12:52pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I'm not saying that these protests are a bad thing (if one were near, I might even attend one), but I am saying that we need to be very careful about who actually benefits from these things. I'm saying, those who benefit will not be the middle class. I'm saying, those who benefit will be the wealthy, who want their taxes back where Bush had them. I'm saying that a "tax reduction" will happen only at the expense of the middle class.

Maybe it would be better to say, "be careful what you ask for" when protesting taxes, power being where it is, that is, the wealthy.

(And, of course, as you noted, the left-wing media/columnists can be just as offensive as its right-wing counterparts... We just have to find the truth somewhere in the middle and not assume that either side portrays the truth accurately...!)
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Pocket Book
Report Comment by Another Thinker @ 1:37pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Perhaps would should be more focused on what is right than how policies are going to affect our pocket book or another's pocket book.

That's why the tea parties should be able governing from principles rather than taxes. If we all voted our pocket book, we would vote for whoever would tax others and give us entitlements, when what is right is let us be accountable for our actions- let us succeed or fail.

If only we knew how detrimental to our psyche and our society voting our pocket book is and acted/voted accordingly.
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It's a real issue, isn't it?
Report Comment by Greenly @ 1:58pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
While many on both sides simply want to reduce these issues to slogans, there are in fact people's lives at stake in this country and all over the world.

It's difficult for us to understand just how intertwined our economy is now with the whole world. If our markets had been "allowed" to crash, millions in poorer countries would have died of starvation, as a result. And, if we think it's bad now, many, many, many more here in this country would have been out of work, homeless, and potentially starving as well, had we just let things fall apart. Vulnerable populations (the elderly, the disabled, the very young) would have also been at terrible risk.

So asking what is "right" is a very penetrating question.
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I would have looked
Report Comment by SMB @ 1:12pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
but then I saw that the source was NYTImes and thought, Nah - nope, would only be a waste of my precious time to read their tripe. They are one of the papers that the current administration will be bailing out if they can get that past the noses of the public. That would be the reward that paper gets for helping them with the Anti-American agenda our government has been slowly developing.

Nope , not going to go there.
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Well, if you get past that and just
Report Comment by Greenly @ 1:24pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
use your own mind, you can find truth there as well. It's really, really, really important that people don't get their news from one source only.

I used to work for a newspaper. I understand bias. And every single news outlet has a bias (contrary to Fox's claim of being otherwise). That doesn't mean you don't read (or watch) "other" news outlets - actually, it should mean that you DO.

The more varied news outlets you read/watch, the closer to the truth you will come.
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Report Comment by Jeff P. @ 12:02pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
they say mark shurtleff will be there and i wonder what side of his face he will be talking out of tonight?
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Report Comment by playingreprise @ 11:17am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I love it how people wait till now that they protest excessive government. Where were you about 5 years ago when the Patriot Act was put into law. That expanded governments reach further into your lives than anything that has happened in the last 4 months.

remember those good reps of yours that you elected and see that Bishop requested 6 billion dollars in earmarks for his friends.

Hypocrisy at it's best...
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Bishop
Report Comment by William S. @ 11:24am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I agree. He's got to go.
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Where were we 5 yrs ago?
Report Comment by Snowgrl @ 11:33am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Angry but not angry enough. Obama ran on change and nothing has changed. We are still spending more than we have, there is government corruption, tax fraud from higher ups while the IRS looks the other way, there is growing govt and lies. It is coming at us from both sides.
5 yrs ago we were frustrated.
4 yrs ago we were annoyed.
3 yrs ago we were mad.
2 yrs ago we were mad enough to complain.
1 yr ago we were getting angrier but hoping that a new president and a new administration might make things better regardless of who it was.
6 months ago we started calling our congressmen telling them to vote against bailing out Wall Street, against passing the stimulus bills. There were so many calls and emails that the system was overloaded and failed in Washington. And they voted for it anyway.
Today, we are done with both sides. Bush (R) betrayed our trust, the Republican congress betrayed our trust, The Democratic congress betrayed our trust and now the Dem president is betraying our trust. We can't trust any of them.

To make this about Rs and Ds or even about taxes is simplistic and wrong. It is about so much more. It has been brewing for years.
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Report Comment by winter1 @ 11:38am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Absolutely right on
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Ditto to the nth degree
Report Comment by Wrong-righter @ 12:25pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I also like that you tied "brewing" in to the tea parties.
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budwa
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 11:00am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Maybe they can show up on their lunch break
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Um...
Report Comment by Ben D. @ 10:55am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Utahns don't drink tea. You might want to have a Kool-Aid or a 7-Up party instead.
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Please don't forget about the Mormon Tea
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 10:57am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Although it does sound like a rather disgusting drink to me.

Taxed Enough Already-TEA party
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Mormon Tea
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 11:06am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
"Mormon tea is prepared from the fresh or dried stems of Ephedra nevadensis Wats., family Ephedraceae, a small erect shrub native to the desert regions of the southwestern United States and adjacent parts of Mexico."

Mormon Tea
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Also called "Brigham Tea"
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 12:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
My grandma used to make this. Really nasty stuff with a bitter aftertaste.
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Ah yes, PookyBear
Report Comment by Ben D. @ 12:06pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
My mum used to make "Brigham Tea" when I was a youngster. It basically was her "iced tea" during the summer. Yeah, I agree, it was/is yucky!!!
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....
Report Comment by WL @ 11:04am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
think,

The flatter the tax the fairer it is. The tea parties are not protesting all taxes, just unfair increases in taxes to pay for unnecessary Government spending.

It is much fairer to spread a 5 percent tax to everyone than to have some pay nothing and others pay triple.
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With the way things are going
Report Comment by wilco64256 @ 11:12am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
We would be heading for a "flat" 20% tax. So flatter taxes are only fairer if they are still at a reasonable rate.
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Report Comment by WL @ 11:23am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
And there will be more public outcry if they raise taxes for everyone instead of just raising taxes on a small group.

Before Reagan lowered taxes the upper tax bracket was at %70. The American people would not stand for a %70 percent tax bracket, but it happened for some.
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Report Comment by Agoraphobic Kleptomaniac @ 11:37am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Even the most conservative estimates say that a flat tax would be 31% to be sustainable to the country(which, through some creative maths, they turn into 23%)
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Report Comment by WL @ 11:54am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The State tax rate is 5% which is as high as I think a fair flat tax rate should be. Any Higher than 5% would be too much.

The Federal Government has far too many social programs that require far to many tax dollars. This is why it is important for everyone to understand the proper role of Government.

The Proper Role of Government by Ezra Taft Benson
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Utah Tax
Report Comment by Wrong-righter @ 12:29pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
You really ought to do the math. The 5% rate is a flat rate, but not a flat tax. The rate is NOT applied to the same base for everyone, and the base rate that it is applied to changed to cause an INCREASE in taxes to many. There are so many credits for so many pet projects that the rate is really meaningless. It is pathetic that it is even being called anything close to "flat". Don't be deceived. There are more forms to fill out and send in now, and most are paying more.
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Report Comment by WL @ 12:51pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The state tax system is in no way perfect, but it is better than many states.

With a flat tax some will pay more. Those that pay more are those that before paid little or nothing. I have no problem with the tax burden being spread to all. This will in the end result in a lower tax rate for all and more public outcry anytime tax money is wasted.

If in society we have a large percentage of the population that does not pay taxes, they will not be outraged when that money is wasted. In the United states around 40% do not pay Federal Income Tax.

Today in the United States a family with $50,000 annual income, a house payment, and 4 kids will not pay any Federal Income Tax.
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That's to support current spending
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 12:06pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The tax rate could be lowered if spending were lowered.
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Happy Bagging
Report Comment by diezzo @ 2:15pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I hope all you Tea Baggers feel a sense of accomplishment after today. It is good to steep your bag in hot water and drink the wholesome necter for a good cause. Happy protesting Baggers.
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Report Comment by anxiethanos @ 10:36am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Somewhere, Obama yawns.
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Yes...
Report Comment by William S. @ 11:06am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
and isn't it a shame?
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The dog is more important right now anyway.
Report Comment by alleycat123 @ 11:40am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
(sarcasm) Portugese Waterdog??? A great distraction from real issues.
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This needs to be a message
Report Comment by winter1 @ 10:38am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
for both parties. Neither the Republicans or the Democrats have done anything to restrict the size of government or reduce spending. The TEA parties are a great idea, but it is offensive to me that one party is laying claim on these efforts and pretending that they are the champions of the nation trying to support the cause of the people.
These tea parties should send a message to ALL politicians that they need to get back in line and represent the people.
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winter1
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 10:50am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
These Tea Parties should not be attended by people who are trying to promote one political party over another. It is for all Americans who are protesting the burdens being placed on tax payers now and in the future who are being asked to pay for the overarching spending bills that have been passed by both parties recently.

If the Republican Party had leaders who were more effective at promoting the conservative idea of less government spending, these grass-roots tea parties would be unnecessary. Politicians are trying to hijack the people's protest and pretend they are leaders of the movement.
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Exactly
Report Comment by David J. @ 11:08am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
These protests should not be about any party, IMO. Both parties have plenty of baggage and share the blame for how screwed up the federal government has become. I am somewhat disappointed that any political leaders from either party are going to speak. This should be about the people taking back the rights not attributed to the federal government.
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I agree...
Report Comment by Snowgrl @ 11:38am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
As much as i like Chaffetz, none of them should be given the podium today.
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We need just one constitutional amendment
Report Comment by Jack Bauer's Pinky @ 10:54am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
A cap on federal spending growth equal to no more than the previous year's actual inflation rate. No growing it based on "projections" or theories or running averages. If inflation in 2008 was 2.5%, then no federal department, division, section, office, or anything else should be allowed to increase spending by more than that. Period. Shuffle things around, get rid of useless departments, whatever.
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Another Amendment...
Report Comment by William S. @ 11:03am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Once again I push for the "Vote of Confidence of Congress" amendment. Every off year, we hold a nation wide vote of confidence for all of congress. If they don't get a collective vote of approval from all states (simple majority) then every one of them is tossed out and cannot run again for at least 2 terms. What do you all think about that?
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I completely agree!
Report Comment by bentley4me @ 11:14am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I have made the decision (with VERY FEW exceptions) to NOT vote for a single INCUMBENT in the next election! We can't keep voting for these people who are obviously ignoring us, and who got us into this debacle!

We need fresh blood that is not corrupt.
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Meanwhile Utah lawmakers pull the old bait and switch
Report Comment by Mr_Roboto @ 10:46am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
And most are paying higher taxes even though they deny it.
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The Tea Party is a joke
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 10:50am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
It is a scam set up by the right wing neocons, where were they when GW increased the natioal debt and gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy. Or, when Ronald Reagan slashed taxes for the rich, raised taxes on the working class, increased the national debt, and turned this country into a debtor nation.

Here is an example of what they are pushing.

run up trillions of dollars of debt and then sell that debt to countries such as China?

want to take away the right to vote with a secret ballot in union elections?

refuse to stop the flow of millions of illegal immigrants into our country?

appoint a defender of child pornography to the Number 2 position in the Justice Department?

want to force doctors and other medical workers to perform abortions against their will?

Official Tax Day TEA Party, April 15th, 2009

This is the garbage that neocons feed you.
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So where is the rest of the quote?
Report Comment by Andrew G. @ 10:54am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I'm glad you put up the website, but leaving part of the info out is very misleading.
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It's a neocon tactic
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 10:59am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
at least I posted their web site, I am gald you verified it.
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It's all about perspective...
Report Comment by V for Vendetta @ 11:26am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Sneaky Pete is under no obligation to be "Fair and Balanced" as one of our stations would have you believe.

Screw any party, except the working class, who claims to be heading these protests. This feels like a grassroots campaign. I am excited to see the American public protest anything. We've become likes pigs at the slaughter as of late.

I do love what Obama's doing. First and foremost he stormed into office and got right to work. Unlike his predecessor who took more vacation than any other president in history. I like what he did with Pirate situation. He did run and hide and he didn't over-react. I like that he has finally ended the ridiculous sanctions against Cuba. And I like that he is trying to limit executives pay. All changes I, as a working stiff, think needed to be made years ago.

In short, I have a President I can be proud of.
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Obama did get right to work.
Report Comment by Andrew G. @ 12:12pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Spending money like there will be no tomorrow. In fact if he keeps spending money at this rate THERE WILL BE NO TOMORROW!

As for the pirate situation Obama got involved for PR. The military (which liberals bash at any opportunity) did what they would have always done. Kill the bad guys. Just because Obama got on the phone doesn't mean he made it happen.
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Selective Logic...
Report Comment by William S. @ 10:55am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Sneaky... Here we go again. The Tax Day Tea Parties are not just about high taxes. They are about ridiculous over growth of government and what that costs everyone. Strangely, I agree with you, as I mentioned earlier on the vanishing Obama tax strategy story, that there are some double standards for conservatives. But can't we just agree that the current political climate in DC is just plain messed up?
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Yes
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 10:58am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I agree, what concerns me is the mask the neocons are hiding behind.
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Mask?
Report Comment by William S. @ 11:00am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Help me on that one Pete? I don't know what mask you're referring to?

I'm glad we agree that DC is messed up.
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The Neocon Mask
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 11:10am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Neocons don't tell the truth, yet they claim too.
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Truth...
Report Comment by William S. @ 11:22am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
is apparently subjective and depends on your point of view. Pete, once again, since we have agreed on one point, let's also agree that we can have overall differing opinions, but have common concerns. Major concerns. And at the top of my list right now is the legacy of pain we are leaving for our kids and grand kids.

So while I will not give up my fundamental centralist conservative view, I think we all need to focus on the major issues that are making our country sick. Let's stop the neocon labels and the liberal labels and get on with being Americans.
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Agree
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 11:25am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Thanks, I enjoy the debate.
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More Truth
Report Comment by Cheapseats @ 11:32am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I DON'T CARE IF IT IS A REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, CONSERVATIVE, LIBERAL, RIGHT-WINGER, LEFT-WINGER...STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING! STOP POINTING FINGERS AT EACH OTHER! I DON'T WANT ANOTHER TAX REBATE OR STIMULUS CHECK! STOP SPENDING MY COUNTRY INTO OBLIVION! IT ISN'T ABOUT MY TAXES! IT IS ABOUT PUTTING ME AND EVERY OTHER TAXPAYER IN THIS COUNTRY FURTHER INTO DEBT THAT WE DON'T WANT. YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF CROOKS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT YOUR OWN POLITICAL POWER AND YOU WOULD RUN MY COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND TO KEEP IT! NO MORE!!!


...AND YES, KSL, THIS IS IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I AM SHOUTING...

[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
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PLEASE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT MY ALL CAPS POST
Report Comment by lowonoil @ 12:37pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I HAVE AN ORIGINAL APPLE II AND IT ONLY DOES UPPERCASE.
MAN, SURFING THE NET WITH A 40 COLUMN TEXT DISPLAY IS HARD.

[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
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Every time someone says "neocon" it can usually be dismissed as tired gibberish.
Report Comment by Jack Bauer's Pinky @ 11:06am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Same goes for every time someone says "left-winger" or "radical" or "lib".

So let's see, you're mad supposedly because Reagan (and I doubt you were a tax payer, let alone a rich one during his presidency) cut the top rate from 70% to 28% and yet grew federal revenues by double in 10 years. And because Bush increased the national debt and gave a "massive" 6% tax cut on top earners, while Obama has now single-handedly projected more national debt in his term than all the previous presidents combined and you're not mad about that?

You want trillions of dollars of debt sold to countries such as China? You want to take away the right to vote with a secret ballot in union elections? You want to not stop the flow of millions of illegal immigrants into our country? You think it's OK that a defender of child pornography has been appointed to the Number 2 position in the Justice Department? You want to force doctors and other medical workers to perform abortions against their will?
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LOL
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 11:23am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I was a tax payer, I remember the worst recession in history, I remember people getting fired for striking, and I remember the increase in homelessness, thanks Ron.

When people use the argument that Reagan cut tax rates from 70 percent, they fail to ******* that he also eliminated the deductions, which shifted the burden to the lower income levels. The wealthy lost the same and more deductions, but the actual tax paid per dollar earned was increased on the working class and reduced for the wealthy. He increased the national debt,and sold it, thus turning the United States into a debtor nation, the first time in history.

It took nearly 6 years for the economy to recover during the Reagan years, but I guess you don't rememebr.

I just hope you don't believe the rest of the Taa Party information.
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sneaky pete...
Report Comment by Katherine J. @ 12:54pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
don't you mean the INCREASE in MEDIA COVERAGE of the homeless?
the same homeless, who, and it has been proven time and time again, CHOOSE to be homeless because they WANT that lifestyle?
kinda like the starving, yet FAT, poor that live here in America. The ones that buy oreos and mountain dew with their horizon food card.
the same poor that own a flat screen with cable access, and a cell phone that is newer and nicer than my cell phone. the same poor that drive a newer and nicer vehicle than i do.

to all the REAL people on this board, I'll see you at one of the great grassroots tea parties this afternoon!!! no party lines - just show up if you want less government spending.

to the rest of you - get a hold of your rage and jealousy - it makes you look bad.
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Report Comment by playingreprise @ 11:23am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
you might want to recheck your figures. The national revenues did not go up and taxes did not go down. He did reduce taxes in his first year of presidency, but then got all sneaky and introduced a tax hike 3 yrs later. The only time federal revenues grew, and the economy for that matter, was under Clinton. He raised taxes on the top 1% and lowered them for those below that. It grew national revenues while he also shrank the size of government. Reagan just grew the size of the government and also grew the size of deficits year over year. As Dick Cheney said, "Deficits don't matter."

You really should back your hazy facts with some citations...

Bush did some serious hazy accounting to justify the growth in deficits. Instead of including costs in the overall budget, he would ask for supplemental funding later on. This made him look politically good...but in the end did the same. Reagan also did this kind of fuzzy accounting to look like a cost slasher when actually raising the cost of doing business.
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Carefull
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 11:27am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
you might make a conservative face the truth.
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I doubt they would face it...
Report Comment by ||ell @ 12:30pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
They like to make up their own truths. They also love to blame someone else for the issues their policies create. I can still remember when these guys were blaming Clinton for the deficits Bush had created.
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My facts are hazy?
Report Comment by Jack Bauer's Pinky @ 11:58am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
1981 Federal revenue: $599 billion. 1988 Federal revenue: $909 billion. So Federal revenue didn't go up at all? Of course it did, you are being deliberately misleading in your definition of "revenue" and only calling it "revenue" when it is a surplus over spending. I don't deny at all that the deficits went up as well during the Reagan and Bush years, never have done so. And I don't deny that furthering the Clinton era policies into Bush's term would have been been better for the economy than what ended up happening. But then it's easy and convenient to ignore everything or play hindsight quarterback with that happened from Sept. 2001 onwards that led to arguably wasteful spending. What I don't hear now is any opposition from the left to Obama's intent to spend us into even more debt now. It all suddenly is reduced to "blame Bush for it" even though you all screeched like cats dropped in a washing machine any time someone tried to blame the 2000-2001 slowdown on Clinton.

And for your little pal Pete who says Reagan made America a debtor nation for the first time, maybe he can explain how we already had a $930 billion dollar national debt in 1980.
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He sold it
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 12:25pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
to foriegn nations, we were a creditor nation to the rest of the world, until Reagan sold this country down the river.

The fiscal shift in the Reagan years was staggering. In January 1981, when Reagan declared the federal budget to be "out of control," the deficit had reached almost $74 billion, the federal debt $930 billion. Within two years, the deficit was $208 billion. The debt by 1988 totaled $2.6 trillion. In those eight years, the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the largest debtor nation.

washingtonpost.com: Reagan Policies Gave Green Light to Red Ink


When Ronald Reagan took office in January 1981, the budget deficit was $74 billion and the national debt was $930 billion. By 1988, the budget deficit was $208 billion and the national debt had swelled to an incredible $2.6 trillion.

American Chronicle | Even Reagan Was No Ronald Reagan

Read this,

The United States as a debtor nation.

Cline, William R.

Ronald Reagan - Presidents Timeline
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It sounds to me
Report Comment by winter1 @ 2:10pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Like we all agree that we, as a Nation, have been "sold down the river." Do you really want to argue about who is to blame, or are you actually going to do something? If the goal is to blame, then at least show some intellectual honesty and acknowledge that most of the politicians that have been in Washington DC over the past 30+ years have had some influence in our current state of affairs. And our current congress and administration isn't doing anything to change it. Perhaps we can argue if the enormous expenditures will actually stimulate the economy or not, but I don't see how anyone can argue that the Bush administration and the Obama administration have both increased the size and scope of our government. Big government requires big money and the bill for that will come back to us and our children.
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Sneaky Pete
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 10:56am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Your examples:

I don't want to run up trillions of dollars of debt and sell it to China

I don't want union elections to abolish the secret ballot they have now

I want the illegal immigrants to stop flowing into our country

No one defending child pornography should hold any position in the Justice Department

No doctor should be forced to perform any procedure against their conscience

After I've said all that, I'm not sure what you were trying to say in your post. Are you for or against these principles? I usually understand what you are trying to say and I typically disagree with most of it, so I'm a bit baffled here.
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OK
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 11:08am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Who sold our national debt to foriegn countries?
Ronald Reagan, the poster boy for the neocon movement.

I don't get the union election thing at all, that is the unions business, who want to take there right away?

The illegal immigration issue has been a problem for along time and the republicans have done nothing about it, I am amazed they didn't use NAFTA, perhaps they researched it and found out it was the republicans who pushed it through.

What is with the child porn statement? Why don't they cite their source.

Who is forcing a doctor to perform abortions?

The Tea Party movement fails to provide any information on their sources.

What I am saying n my post is this Tea Party movement is a scam, it is full of lies and it is typical of the neocon movement.

It sure sounds good at first, but look behind the mask.
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So...
Report Comment by David J. @ 11:12am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Rather than throwing out labels, could you define "neocon"?
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I think sneaky pete
Report Comment by bentley4me @ 11:17am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
has used "neocon" in every single post today! I keep thinking Vietnam... but I really have no idea!
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Don't you know?
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 12:13pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Neocon is code for conservative Jew. This is how the left can get away with being anti-Semetic without APPEARING to be anti-Semetic.
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Neocon is short for neoconservative
Report Comment by John A. @ 1:20pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that more or less characterized the Bush administration. Take some time to read about the Project for the New American Century and you'll be enlightened. And probabaly disturbed.
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Sneaky Pete
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 11:20am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The Union Election Thing: Right now the ballot for whether or not a union can represent workers at a company is private. No one can know how a worker will vote. Certain democrat leaders want to change that. The threat is that if the vote is known to all, the union representatives will be able to target those employees who do not vote for the union and harass them.

Child Porn: A lawyer who has been representing the interests of porn watching advocates is nominated for the Justice Department.

A "pornography advocate" for the Justice Department? - Steven Waldman

Doctors and Abortions: President Bush increased protections for doctors who don't want to perform procedures based on their conscience. The Senate refused an amendment to a bill on April 3, 2009 related to this issue:

Senate Rejects Amendment Protecting Abortion-Conscience Rights for Doctors
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Report Comment by Agoraphobic Kleptomaniac @ 11:53am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
"Right now, there are two ways to form a union: majority sign-up or a secret ballot election. And management gets to decide which is used. The Employee Free Choice Act would protect the same two ways of joining a union (majority sign-up or a secret ballot election), but leave it up to workers to decide which is used."

TheHill.com - True democracy in the workplace

"Many of the tactics used to intimidate employees are legal. However, because federal labor law contains no possibility of punitive fines, prison or any other type of sanction, employers break the law at will. Last year, approximately 15,000 Americans were illegally fired, suspended or otherwise financially punished for trying to form a union in their workplace."
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Check out the bill yourself
Report Comment by Andrew G. @ 12:18pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The union secret ballot would be abolished and your voting would be witnessed by two union representatives. Right to work laws would be abolished and everyone would have to pay union dues whether you want to or not.

Sorry dude, I will not support that kind of freedom loss.
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Good lord
Report Comment by Sneaky Pete @ 12:40pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
You cite a blog,LOL, even your cite can't provide a citation, LOL. And talk about twisting the facts, LOL, this is hilarious. The second citation is even better.
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Here you go Sneaky, card check will eliminate the secret ballot for union organization
Report Comment by WEM @ 1:37pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Card check - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, does card check kill the secret ballot or not? - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine

FOXNews.com - Secret Ballots May End in Union Elections If Obama Becomes President - Opinion
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Here's more Sneaky
Report Comment by WEM @ 1:41pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Looks like doctors are contemplating quitting their profession and a lawsuit has been filed if they're forced to perform abortions. Check it out here:

ADF Alliance Alert No Choice: Doctors forced to perform abortions or else?

»The Catholic Review Online | Catholic newspaper, Archdiocese of Baltimore, world and national Archdiocese news, CNS
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Sneaky, what if any of your statements are conservative lies?
Report Comment by WEM @ 1:23pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Come on Sneaky, there is proof for everything you posted as a "lie". In fact, it is YOU who is stretching by saying none of the items are being pushed by Obama.

Everything on the tea party web site is the TRUTH even if you don't see it in your coice of media.
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Teabag the government
Report Comment by slllc @ 10:53am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
let's teabag Huntsman, Obama, and everyone else.

PS Can I teabag your wife too?

(I love that I can say teabag in public now)
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slllc
Report Comment by Jeff P. @ 12:28pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
if only you had a "teabag"
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I would feel
Report Comment by The Other Side @ 11:05am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
much better about it if they did not allow any elected officials to speak at all.
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Can't disagree with you there
Report Comment by Jack Bauer's Pinky @ 11:21am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
They should be bound and made to sit right in front of whatever loudspeakers are set up so they hear every person's frustrations at their blatant disregard of the general public sentiment, no matter who that person is, Republican or Democrat.
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I hope
Report Comment by winter1 @ 11:27am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
That people are able to refrain from cheering as the politicians put on their show and give the "elect me for congress speech."
I agree that it would be better that they weren't speaking at the event, but this is an opportunity for people to let them know how displeased we are with their performance.
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Report Comment by Jeff P. @ 12:30pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
ill give 5 bucks to the first person to hit shurtleff with a rock.
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Report Comment by Motley Crew @ 1:32pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
No a pair of shoes would be better!! LOL
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Conservatives
Report Comment by Bignose @ 11:14am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Try something new, can't you realize that no one in the country is listening to you, they are tired of the same old stuff you provide, you will make a come back when you think of a new united idea. We live in the most conservative state in the county, and the conservatives here do not realize that the base of their party thinks the mormons in Utah are a cult.
The republican party needs a new leader and a new progressive idea.
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Here is my question:
Report Comment by PurpleReign @ 1:20pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
What do these teabaggers want to cut? Medicare, medicaid, Social Security? Noone is telling us that part. It's all "Stop taxing us" "Stop spending money!" But they never say what they want to cut.

And by the way, these teabagging orgies are NOT going to be about "increased government spending over the years" they will be about how much they hate Obama. These teabaggers lost all credibility by not holding these things while Bush was still in office.
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Among unkept promises of transparency
Report Comment by Darren H. @ 2:07pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Obama pushed through many times more in less that 3 months. There is the outrage!
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Report Comment by Drakien @ 11:18am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Join the "Tea Baggers"! Protest our taxes!

or

Go to the rallies and speak your side!
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Watch your language
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 12:17pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
That is an offensive sexual slang term.
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Report Comment by Drakien @ 12:54pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I am sorry I was not aware of that. I have been reading a lot of news stories that were referring to everyone that is part of the "New American Tea Party" were considered "Tea Baggers."
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Linking to unrepresented Taxation?
Report Comment by Arthur H. @ 11:22am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
So are they trying to say that all taxation is without representation?

No, this is just rhetoric to inflame people because money is a hot-button issue. No one (and I mean no one at all) has a 'good' solution that would make everyone happy.

We need a short term plan to get out of the whole our economy is in and a long term plan to get out of debt like Bill Clinton led us out of.
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Hey Arthur
Report Comment by anon2 @ 12:13pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Bill Clinton's the one who started this whole fiasco by deregulating the mortgage industry. Yes, there's other contributors, but he's at least as much to blame as anyone else is.
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The morgage companies...
Report Comment by ||ell @ 12:56pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The morgage companies have been a crisis in the making from Carter years to G.W.Bush years. ALL our elected officials since then should share that blame.

But then I must say, pointing fingers isn't helping anything.
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Disgusting
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 12:15pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Why do you have to use sexual slang here? You should be ejected.
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I would prefer
Report Comment by bentley4me @ 11:29am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
less taxation, and less public services. I would rather that the government do LESS for me than do more for me. With more government action it takes away my choice to pay for those services or not. With private sector we can choose what we pay for and what we get, with higher taxes and more public services we are forced to pay for something and yet have no guarantee that we will receive sufficient for our needs, or anything at all.

I guess I would rather manage my own money than let the government do it for me!
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Cabinet
Report Comment by hinkle2 @ 11:31am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
We could just do what a majority of Obama's cabinet has done and simply not pay taxes!
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Was that a MASSIVE OVERGENERALIZATION?
Report Comment by PurpleReign @ 1:22pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Then you must be......A REPUBLICAN!!!! Congratulations.
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Politicians Serve Their Paymasters
Report Comment by Wik @ 11:32am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Politicians aren't afraid of Joe Q. Public. Joe doesn't pay them under the table. Joe doesn't help them get elected. Joe is the dupe who doesn't hold the politicians accountable for any of their lies, bad decisions, and cover-ups. Joe is not as scary as the men pulling Joe's strings.
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Report Comment by Rem @ 11:36am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The tea parties are actually bigger than I thought:

Google Maps - 2009 Tea Parties

Correction. In Utah it's Barley Party.
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Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 11:51am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
They are even bigger than that website. The KSL story includes far more TEA parties being held in Utah than that website shows. I have to suspect that this is the case throughout the country.

Stand up America!
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Republicans and dem's
Report Comment by mshepherd @ 11:48am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Everybody needs to wake up and quite the uncontrollable spending. Its finance 101, dont spend more than you make! our debt is spinning out of control.

We are headed for a disaster just like people with massive amounts of credit card debt. But or nation just cant claim bankruptcy like everybody else can. So what will happen?... dont know. Its too bad we dont understand the priciple of intrest as a country. We WILL have to pay it back, WITH interest. Hello!

"Just say no" (to big government)
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You've gotten to the...
Report Comment by James K. @ 1:14pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
heart of the issue. Uncontrolled spending, and the financing thereof, by both political parties is at the root of this problem. So what's the solution?

Stop spending money we don't have.
End the fiat currency.
Abolish the Federal Reserve.
Allow sick companies to restructure or die.

Problem solved.
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I'm not going
Report Comment by anon2 @ 11:52am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I didn't RSVP, tea parties are SOO last milenium!
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I protest today as an American
Report Comment by Cornhead @ 11:53am - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Today I am neither Republican or Democrat--I'm an American protesting the slow erosion of the protections of the Constitution by an ever-growing and corrupt government. I'm protesting lawmakers more concerned about party affiliation and bosses than the wishes of their constituents and the rules of the Constitution. I'm protesting the new "Nanny State" where WE answer to the government rather than the government answering to US. I am protesting the government mentality of indentured servitude for all taxpayers. We are no longer free! We are wards of the state. Republican or Democrat is doesn't matter. Let's be on this day Americans returning to our values of fierce independence, self-reliance, self-determination, and self-government. We don't need the creeping tyrannical benevolence of socialism to solve our problems. Get the government out of our lives and our pocketbooks!
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Shirtlif is such a hypocrite
Report Comment by Liberty Park Hippy @ 12:08pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
His salary comes from taxes. He's just out looking for votes. He'd sell his soul to the devil for a vote.
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Satan
Report Comment by gardenofwrath @ 12:29pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
haggling with satan
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Report Comment by jjayzzone @ 12:36pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
It's Tea Party Day in all 50 states, and 300 to 500 protests against out-of-control government spending are planned worldwide. Today's Wall Street Journal explains that these protests are not the result of organizers at the Republican National Committee, or any political action committee, or even some think tank: it's all been done by regular folks using Internet, E-mail, text messages, Facebook, and chat rooms. The Tea Party movement has completely organized itself without any outside help.

Tea Party Day Is Good News for the Future of Conservatives, Republicans - Mary Kate Cary (usnews.com)
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I am responsible for $36,525.71 ini debt, and so are you.....
Report Comment by jjayzzone @ 12:40pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
U.S. National Debt Clock
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Report Comment by WJ84088 @ 12:53pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Yep... each and every one of us including our kids.
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Do you think 36k is alot of money?
Report Comment by Think4yourself @ 1:30pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I know people in third world countries that don't have any debt. Oh ya, they don't have food, public roads, schools, a military, and NO TAXES.
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Report Comment by WJ84088 @ 12:55pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Wish I could be there... but sadly I have to go to work. Kudos to all who get out there to voice their frustration and disgust with how our government is borrowing, taxing, and spending out of control!

They should plan more of these, maybe July 4?
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Definitely July 4
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 1:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Then maybe it won't snow!
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IF you want less government
Report Comment by Katherine J. @ 12:59pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Salt Lake City: Noon, Federal Building Plaza, 125 S. State St.
Ogden: Noon, Municipal Building at 2549 Washington Blvd.
Logan: 4:00 p.m., 241 N. Main St., south of City Hall
Provo: 5:00 p.m., Old Utah County Courthouse, corner of University and Center.
St. George: 5:00 p.m., Vernon Worthen Park.
Richfield: 5:30 p.m., City Park, 3rd N. Main St.
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If you have a day job ...
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 1:02pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
There's a second protest in Salt Lake at US Post Office Salt Lake City, 1795 W 2100 S from 5 to 7 p.m.

For more info, go here: Tax Day Tea Party Utah
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Tea party rallies held across state to protest tax system
Report Comment by Acer @ 1:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Hey pay your taxes you cry babies, rich people and shut up, TEA PARTY COFFEE PARTY,SH....IT PARTY, THE RESULTS ARE THE SAME PAY YOUR TAXES YOU WHINERS!
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Oh please ...
Report Comment by PookyBear @ 1:11pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
So people who protest other things have the right to dissent, but we're all a bunch of whiners, eh? I'll give you the same advice I get when I don't like what's on TV or radio--you have the freedom to not listen to us. Quit whining and change the channel.
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typical misinformed Utahns
Report Comment by Lostin84084 @ 1:08pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
stop blaming Obama and the federal government . its the Utah state government thats also increasing taxes. protest the state tax first. in a time when people are making less money the Utah gov is raising taxes.
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We blame them too.
Report Comment by James K. @ 1:19pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Whatever your feelings are about them, taxes/taxation is almost secondary to the real issues that we want to voice:

Massive, out of control spending.
Erosion of our Constitutionally affirmed rights.
The unresponsive, bloated bureaucracy.

That's why I'm pissed.
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Sean's on
Report Comment by D G. @ 1:10pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Hey everybody, Sean Hannity is on!!! Better get off your computer and listen so that you can rehash everything he says. CLONES!
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Typical Democrap.....
Report Comment by Can't We Just Get Along??? @ 1:34pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Afraid of freedom of speech. Not only do they want to control your money, your guns, your family size, your medical treatment, your retirement, your religion, your voting rights, your job, your education ...... now they want to take away your right to listen to the program of your choice and your freedom of speech. They follow their fearless leader Michael Moore (who prefers Cuban healthcare to the US Healthcare system)....
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Preferred?
Report Comment by Think4yourself @ 1:52pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
He went to Cuba to get Heathcare for 9/11 volunteers that were denied Health Care here.

Have you do anything for them?
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T-bags for D-bags
Report Comment by Liberty Park Hippy @ 1:20pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Get a life losers and support your country!
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Utah taxes are terrible!!
Report Comment by FedUPResident @ 1:22pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I have lived and worked in several states and Utah is the only one I have ever owed more in State taxes than are taken out each paycheck. I almost always get a small refund from the Feds, but ALWAYS owe the state of Utah.

We have overcrowded schools, teachers making lousy wages, roads that only seem to get fixed when the Feds chip in and yet our taxes are high, we pay additional taxes on alcohol and the state had a surplus until the economy tanked.

Obviously our elected officials don't have the slightest clue what they are doing.
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Another tes party
Report Comment by Emily S. @ 1:23pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I believe there is one at 2100 South and 1795 West from 5pm to 7pm
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Umm...
Report Comment by Evoker @ 1:26pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
"It's just like the Boston Tea Party" Other than the fact that this cute little protest won't go down in history books.
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Tea party rallies held across state to protest tax system
Report Comment by Acer @ 1:27pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Like I said these rich republicans don't want to pay their share, in fact I bet these people are part of the GOP (GOOD OLD PIGS) and you can count on this the GOP (GOOD OLD PIGS) are first to the pork barrel and first to complain
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The really sad thing about Federal Taxes....
Report Comment by FedUPResident @ 1:28pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Is that Federal Taxes were never ratified by the states, and are Unconstitutional. But then so is the Federal Reserve bank, so I guess the whole "We the People" thing went out the window a long time ago.
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Where are all the rich people??
Report Comment by CarDoc @ 1:30pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
So if you believe the President, people making over $250k will get a tax increase. Most of the people on the Fox Ads don't look like their trailer cost that much. On CNN today a report said States are raising taxes 350 Billon dollars because no state can have a deficit budget. So other than the media [removed] like our AG and the organizers of this. Where are the rich people demonstrating at?? You guessed it?? Behind closed doors most likely.
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Report Comment by Motley Crew @ 1:36pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The rich people are protesting in winter get away homes in Arizona and soon to be on their houseboats on Lake Powell!!! They could care less about taxes because they have millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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a great quote...
Report Comment by biff smitty @ 1:30pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
from the article "republicans are tweeting on twitter" you go, girl!
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Let The Free Market Work?
Report Comment by Fred charles rayovac @ 1:34pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Hmmm...some guy is holding a sign that says, "Let The Free Market Work." Does he mean let the market operate like it did that led to this economic disaster? If so, doesn't he realize it didn't work, obviously.
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If you think
Report Comment by Lock and Load @ 2:07pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
the over regulated, government manipulated, politician screwed up economic system we have had in this country is a free market system you sir are nuts.

A free market system is not one in which the Blarney Franks and Cris Dodos can pass laws that create the housing mess that started the economic downturn. In a free market system we would not have a freddie or fannie craphole that steals tax money to give to friends of Obama.
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Let The Free Market Work
Report Comment by Conservative Mom @ 2:14pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
means let the companies go bankrupt. No Bailouts. Another company will rise to fill the void vacated by a failed company. Taxpayer money should not be used to artificially prop up a corporation.
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Report Comment by Motley Crew @ 1:37pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Every taxpayer in the State Of Utah should file a day late, we all can't be jailed!!
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Report Comment by Paul G. @ 1:39pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
"People making more than a quarter of a million dollars will be seeing a tax increase, and that is leading to a number of protests across the country, including several here in Utah."

Way to totally miss the point of these tax rallies KSL . . . Yeah, that large group I just witnessed at the rally was the Ferrari Club.
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Check this out
Report Comment by Wayne R. @ 1:44pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
If you copy and paste this link I think it might answer a few questions for those who truly don't know what is happening out there!!!


Tax Shell Game: The Taxpayer Cost of Offshore Corporate Havens - U.S. PIRG
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off the topic question
Report Comment by Lance T. @ 1:44pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
can a cop park perpendicular to a road at night and shine his headlights into traffic so he can see into the cars as they pass buy him? I have my thought but I am wondering what others think. My brother, who is a cop, had a conversation about this because I saw a cop doing this a couple of nights ago. So any thoughts on this would be appreciated. sorry I know this is off topic
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Report Comment by WEM @ 1:46pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Even the French President is able to see through the media's BS when it comes to Obama. British and French journalists are at least able to call Obama what he is; an inexperienced nobody who's got nothing to offer the rest of the world except rhetoric.

World Agenda: Nicolas Sarkozy puts Barack Obama in the doghouse - Times Online

Here's an excerpt from the article: "The American President's call to free the world of the menace of a nuclear nightmare" was hot air, Mr Sarkozy's diplomatic staff told him in a report. "It was rhetoric – not a speech on American security policy but an export model aimed at improving the image of the United States," they said. Most of Mr Obama's proposals had already been made by the Bush administration and Washington was dragging its feet on disarmament and treaties against nuclear proliferation, the leaked report said.

Personal pique and French politics are also behind the souring of Mr Sarkozy's self-promoted honeymoon with the United States. On the personal side, the French President is needled by the adulation for an unproven US leader whose stardom has eclipsed what he sees as his established record as a world troubleshooter. "The President is annoyed by what he sees as the naivety and the herd mentality of the media," said a journalist who is privy to Elysée thinking.
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NIce Spin
Report Comment by Darren H. @ 1:54pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
The tax party was not about protesting the tax system, it was about runaway government spending, nationalizing public companies and downright fiscal irresponsibility. Lets get back to a Republic, away from a dictatorship!
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Report Comment by MichaelPlatt @ 1:54pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
NoBama
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IT'S TIME ....
Report Comment by deuce2ii @ 1:54pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
FOR THE REVOLUTION!
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I'm Glad Orin Hatch
Report Comment by Synic1 @ 1:57pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
shares my outrage. I'm outraged that we don't have term limits on congress like we do on presidents.
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NUMBER ONE!!!
Report Comment by Mark S. @ 1:57pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
And for the Number One Osama err I mean Obama accomplishment - More Porkulus for everyone!!!
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I just came from the protest, and it's not just about TAXES
Report Comment by A.B.P. @ 1:58pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
It's about our elected leaders passing legislation to reward big campaign contributors. It's about huge increases in the Federal Debt.
It's about the ruling elite thinking they know better than us, what is good for us. So we should give them all our money and they can decide what to spend it on.

Listen to the voice of the people, Washington and SLC.

I don't want a bailout. I don't need the government to wipe my nose or my b..
I don't need a politician to keep me safe from global warming, etc.
I have a job and I can pay my mortgage payment, but I am not inclined to pay someone else's. Especially if they shouldn't have bought a house that they couldn't afford in the first place.

Stop spending my children's and my grandchildren's future on community action programs, on bailouts to companies whose executives drove them into the ground, or on subsidizing mortgages for people who still can't afford to buy a house and still don't have the financial stability to keep up the payments.

Stop devaluing our money. If you understand Inflation then you understand that this is a hidden tax that affects everyone.

there's change coming but not the kind that we have been hearing about from out politicians.

Can you hear us now?
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So what have we learned?
Report Comment by John A. @ 1:58pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Ron Paul was right all along.
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I just came from the protest, and it's not just about TAXES
Report Comment by A.B.P. @ 2:00pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
It's about our elected leaders passing legislation to reward big campaign contributors. It's about huge increases in the Federal Debt.
It's about the ruling elite thinking they know better than us, what is good for us. So we should give them all our money and they can decide what to spend it on.

Listen to the voice of the people, Washington and SLC.

I don't want a bailout. I don't need the government to wipe my nose or my b..
I don't need a politician to keep me safe from global warming, etc.
I have a job and I can pay my mortgage payment, but I am not inclined to pay someone else's. Especially if they shouldn't have bought a house that they couldn't afford in the first place.

Stop spending my children's and my grandchildren's future on community action programs, on bailouts to companies whose executives drove them into the ground, or on subsidizing mortgages for people who still can't afford to buy a house and still don't have the financial stability to keep up the payments.

Stop devaluing our money. If you understand Inflation then you understand that this is a hidden tax that affects everyone.

there's change coming but not the kind that we have been hearing about from out politicians.

Can you hear us now?
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sooo
Report Comment by LeDoc @ 2:02pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
where were all these protestors hiding for s the 8 years G W Bush was raping us? Ir, during the Reagan years when taxes were 10 % points higher than what we'll see under Obama? LOL ye poor misguided sheep
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I was there!
Report Comment by jasnmag @ 2:13pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
I was there and had to leave to go to work! But I am glad my husband and I participated in the rally/protest! He was one of the speakers at the protest and I hope everyone heard his message!!! CAN YOU HEAR US NOW WASHINGTON????? And Obama I am going to keep my money, my job and my guns...but you can keep your CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!! Enough is enough!!!!!!!
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Report Comment by Acer @ 2:22pm - Wed Apr 15th, 2009
Geez! I feel so sorry for these rich people(they have to pay higher taxes) poor cry babies. I can just imanage they had to show at the rally, thay all came in there BMW's Hummers, Limo's etc.,bet that was hard for them high brows, they stand and sit there with their catering of food, coffee etc or maybe they all hired aleins to show up for them poor babies, and I say....PAY YOUR TAXES RICH PEOPLE LIKE THE REST OF US DO

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:49 PM   #7
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i wish we had a dictatorship

the first thing to be outlawed would be free speech and FINALLY THE FIRST TO BE EXECUTED WOULD BE SOME LOUDMOUTHED, ANNOYING MOTHERFUCKERS

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:02 PM   #8
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i saw these people downtown today

they are real

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:27 PM   #9
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took a pic of nimrod there today

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3602/...952500.jpg?v=0

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:28 PM   #10
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/...ec3721.jpg?v=0

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:45 PM   #11
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http://sfcmac.files.wordpress.com/20...ty-picture.jpg

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:46 PM   #12
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:47 PM   #13
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http://wichitaliberty.org/files/stim...2009-02-27.jpg

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:50 PM   #14
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:51 PM   #15
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amazing how in a few short months its no longer unpatriotic to protest the government

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:56 PM   #16
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count the items of camouflaged clothing

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:56 PM   #17
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now if only they can catch him getting a blowjob from an intern

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:58 PM   #18
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its a pretty good bet that 99% of these people got a tax cut under obama.

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:02 PM   #19
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all hilarious.

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:03 PM   #20
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these people don't even have thought processes to criticize. TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION doesn't really have the same ring to it, does it?

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:32 PM   #21
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The "Honk if you're paying my mortgage" sign is pretty good

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:39 PM   #22
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i really kind of wanted to go to one of these with my newly done dreadlocks. to see if anybody'd believe me if i were to tell them i was a republican.

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:40 PM   #23
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i mean i did register libertarian but that was when i was a retarded high schooler.

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:41 PM   #24
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lol

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:42 PM   #25
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Thanks a lot ******

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:43 PM   #26
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what was so lol inspiring about what i said.

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:54 PM   #27
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http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4637/20090415tea4.jpg

Surprise!

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:55 PM   #28
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who knows what goes on inside ever's head

 
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:56 PM   #29
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:58 PM   #30
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now if only they can catch him getting a blowjob from an intern
i bet the dude is an assman. he's got all he needs.

 
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