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09-29-2008, 12:20 PM | #31 | |
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09-29-2008, 12:59 PM | #32 |
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ugh...i can't be bothered to care about a "true" machina tracklist at this point. this should've been billy's job in the first place.
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09-29-2008, 01:18 PM | #33 |
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"T&T" is a guy who posts on the forum. and he's all about this this stuff.
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09-29-2008, 08:14 PM | #34 |
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Why don't you have Soul Power in the tracklisting???? Seems to fit in with renaming himself/his band and Rocking for God plus it's a kickass cover. The screaming at the end gives me chills.
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09-29-2008, 09:06 PM | #35 |
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you are absolutely right. I think right after Glass Theme it would fit. (although I could also see it go before Glass Theme, with Soul Power still being a 'normal' Glass before the epiphany?)..and Blue Skies Electrique to me still represents Glass's early stages of leading his 'ghost children' to war. -""every song a new disaster...all were sung to the ghost children, the synthetic flesh flash of ideal and glitter gash...in their dreams, they saw him surreal, but he was as real as they needed him to be...discarded intil he roared back into their vision, within blood and sound, once invested there was no turning back for anyone...plastic playmates and wooden rock rot haunted their hari kari plots and glass' obvious plays for sympathy, or was it the other way around...he was a general leading them all into a war that he and they knew they could never win...but still they fought...to love and always die standing...moving in night funerals because all the others had perished""
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09-29-2008, 09:13 PM | #36 | |
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.."GLASS begins to lose his balance on both ends when he becomes over righteous and indignant in his beliefs, alienating those who already believe in him and turning off potential new converts...GLASS sees himself as some sort of cosmic preacher, and if he just shouts loud enough the message will somehow get thru the din..." What do you think? |
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09-29-2008, 09:21 PM | #37 |
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yea that makes sense. that would then be after Saturnine. There's still something about the style of the song that makes me think it's one of the 'normal rock songs'. I can't really decide.
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09-30-2008, 08:59 AM | #38 | |
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2008 is a no machina year for me. but those are the correct numbers, that is the correct order. even as the official order it's left a little ambiguous, but the facts are as direct as they could be. i'll find the "posts of T&T" from the O-board, it's been known for a long time that the machina i & ii tracks were mixed up one does not belong. too early on a tuesday, glow doesn't impress me and they're not coming to my city, so fuck em for the next month or two. sorry. seach the board and you'll probably find the last time slunken got "involved" and sorted out the digits. |
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09-30-2008, 09:38 AM | #39 |
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its in the old "machina mystery - what you liked about it" thread; perhaps those o-site posts are better to collect dust w/ dignity, no, mein freund?
Last edited by slunken : 09-30-2008 at 09:45 AM. Reason: been down this road too many times |
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09-30-2008, 10:40 AM | #40 |
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most definitely....
i know someone archived every one of them somewhere on the internet at some point. but I don't know if they're still findable... good luck. |
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09-30-2008, 01:59 PM | #41 | |
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I also have to admit that Let Me Give the World To You as the last track is somewhat different. So I know that in everyone's itunes and shit that their Machina II is 1-25, with Slow Dawn as 1, and Atom Bomb as 25...so if Billy really did give that list of numbers out 8ish years ago, who's to say he numbers his Machina II the same way?...what if he has 1-14 as Glass-Atom Bomb, and 15-25 as the "b-sides"? I know I'm thinking way into this, but it would actually make more sense this way...with only one 5, that would obviously go to Sacred and Profane, and if it was the reversed 1-25 of Machina II, then that would make "Go" the other number 5, which would then make sense in a funny way that Billy intentionally leaves out James' song that probably does not have anything to do with the story. But seriously, why would there be 2 saturnines. that doesn't make sense at all. |
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09-30-2008, 02:41 PM | #42 | |
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09-30-2008, 02:42 PM | #43 |
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CR01 starts with Slow Dawn, and CR04 ends with atom bomb.. that's 1-25, no need to mess that up.
Saturnine is the interlude to the acts.. 3 times. Stand Inside Your Love does not belong. the numbers correspond to the original track numbers... |
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09-30-2008, 03:02 PM | #44 |
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oh, ok. i figured, i just didn't know where they started - you'd think they'd start with machina 1 and go from there...
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09-30-2008, 03:21 PM | #45 | |
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I know this is your thing, but I just truly belive one of the 3's was a typo and supposed to be the other 5. Stand Inside Your Love randomly not being a part of this does not make any sense whatsoever. Billy posting the correct order on the Older official sp board is believable, but to just assume the things about the acts and the interludes.......I don't know. |
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09-30-2008, 03:31 PM | #46 |
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sure
whatever the typo theory was discussed ad nauseum as well but it was clear that "one does not belong" make what you want of it. some people are believers of the typo theory, some people are believers of the bullshit theory. most of all these people don't even own a copy of machina2. |
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09-30-2008, 03:48 PM | #47 |
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haha, yea. If that was a real quote back then, then it just makes me wish I was around duing that time. So I'm still gonna nag or whatever about the credibility of the 4 acts. And I think it was Slunken who was saying before that Act 3 is supposed to represent the final show...so maybe that was said on the old boards too?....
so act 3 as the final show is.. Lucky 13, Cash Car ( V 1), Home, I of the Mourning, Blue Skies Electrique, Atom Bomb, White Spyder, Vanity, Glass, Heavy Metal Machine, Go, With Every Light, If There Is A God, Glass and the Ghost------saturnine interlude? I guess my biggest thing is what is the point of including cash car v 1, and the glass alternate take. (meaning when Billy wrote the number list), to have virtually the same song in there more than once is pretty weird. The different Blue skies/If there is a god/heavy metal machina do have a place in there because they are actually genuinely different versions. oh, and technically, wouldn't the one that doesn't belong be soul power, with the one #5 thing? |
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09-30-2008, 04:28 PM | #48 |
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I found the number thing also on the GATMOG myspace thing...
"Machina song order? This is a list supposed to have been posted by Billy on the old SP Messageboards back when Machina/GATMOG was all the rage. It's meant to be the correct order that the songs from both Machina I & II should be arranged in to tell the story of Glass: 9-4-2-8-11-24-8-3-14-1-1-15-22-9-10-3-7-6-19-4-20- 25-21-2-12-7-16-13-23-10-3-5-18-14-6-11-12-13-15-17" any light on the 3 Bold ones? Maybe that was how it was originally posted or something, indicating something else I don't know about. |
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09-30-2008, 05:22 PM | #49 | |
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so... billy's just insane. don't worry about it. spend your time trying to decipher the nagroc ylib mystery instead... i swear i'm not talking out of my ass. |
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09-30-2008, 05:33 PM | #50 | |
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lol |
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09-30-2008, 05:48 PM | #51 | |
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okok, we'll get you started on the nagroc ylib....
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09-30-2008, 07:17 PM | #52 |
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I have no idea what any of that is.
What is it, and why did you switch it to that? Since you were actually on the boards back in 2000-01, I figured I'd keep asking stuff that I found interesting. Like Billy actually giving fans information back then is pretty much stuff I'd want to know about, considering the subject matter of his information...The acts, the bold numbers?... |
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09-30-2008, 07:24 PM | #53 |
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http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/mach...s_adamware.pdf
this is from the official site. Labeled as Exclusive Content. It's a 77 page graduate student's Thesis on Machina. Just thought I'd point it out to anyone who's interested. |
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10-01-2008, 12:36 AM | #54 | |
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10-01-2008, 11:24 PM | #55 | |
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Also Age of innocence. He talks about 'WE dismissed', and he says a few times 'WE won't make it home'. I think the WE is the band as a whole not Glass. Not to mention the negative lyrics(Desolation YES) of the song.. it hardly fits with the PEACE theme at the end of the story. Your thoughts? |
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10-01-2008, 11:36 PM | #56 |
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10-02-2008, 01:24 AM | #57 |
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this topic never seems to go away... i wish you all the best
anyone else hope billy never again produces an extremely ambiguous multialbum concept with cringe-worthy songs on it? |
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10-02-2008, 01:37 AM | #58 |
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Too late, I think. He's planning on doing that now, isn't he?
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10-02-2008, 01:54 AM | #59 | |
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"If you want love you must be loved, but if you bleed love, you will die loved"...I have Always found this line to be the like ultimate message of all his lines in Machina. It says it all, it is in fact obvious once read, but it isn't obvious to those who just live their lives. I understand desolation yes.....sure in Glass' story tragedies did happen, with June dying, or Glass just simply trying to find perfection without realizing that it's impossible, or that the whole time he thought he was alone, It's ok to acknowledge former tragedies...but wait, Hesitation no...His point in his life now is the NEXT step, the afterthought, the all out 'I went thru what I just went thru, and now I am stronger because of it'. |
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