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10-08-2016, 09:47 PM | #32 |
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I mean this is just wrong. It is entirely subjective. There are artists in history who were lauded in their time and have been forgotten because they don't speak to new cultural values. There are artists who were dismissed and then much later became culturally relevant to people. It is 100% subjective to the bone, don't delude yourself.
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10-08-2016, 09:51 PM | #35 |
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I did give a fuck about the subject though
I always have an opinion that was in response to people not even coming to say "fuck the clash" just to say nothing for three pages |
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10-08-2016, 09:51 PM | #36 | |
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anyway, rbg
this paragraph succinctly sums up a lot of why i like and appreciate good pop music. it's a shame not enough people realize this. it's ever so easy to go "what bro it's just 3 chords, i could write that in my sleep lolz!" Quote:
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10-08-2016, 09:53 PM | #37 |
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10-08-2016, 09:56 PM | #38 |
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nah man
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10-08-2016, 09:59 PM | #39 |
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nvm
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10-08-2016, 10:04 PM | #40 |
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I don't like that I'm not allowed to have the opinion that Third Eye Blind is shit even for pop music without being called an elitist it's ridiculous
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10-08-2016, 10:05 PM | #41 |
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time bomb
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10-08-2016, 10:12 PM | #42 |
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everyone with developed tastes is pretending
what they really want to do is crack open a cold one and crank up the KISS |
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10-08-2016, 10:20 PM | #43 |
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what does that even mean? you have artists who changed things in some people's perceptions and others who think those artists suck or are irrelevant. I've definitely said shit like, "Blue Oyster Cult is a seminal band who influenced a generation of guitarists," but that's basically my interpretation and you probably don't agree with it. Even if I said, "Led Zeppelin is one of the most influential rock bands," that's still an opinion. It happens to be backed up by the court of cultural consensus, but that doesn't make it a fact per se... were The Who revolutionary or did they ape Link Wray?
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10-08-2016, 10:21 PM | #44 |
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it's weird to see myself having arguments on netphoria I've already had in the past except now I'm on the other side
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10-08-2016, 10:24 PM | #45 | |
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even if I can't stand their music and the direction they took The Blues I'd be just wrong to say otherwise |
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10-08-2016, 10:25 PM | #46 |
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btw earlier I went to my mom's and we went and got coffee, Semi-Charmed Life came on the radio and she turned that shit up and we were both "doo doo dooting" with the windows down
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10-08-2016, 10:25 PM | #47 |
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like Wire were revolutionary in what they did with punk
this is something that is just a truth |
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10-08-2016, 10:26 PM | #48 |
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it's your truth
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10-08-2016, 10:28 PM | #49 |
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doot doot doot
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10-08-2016, 10:30 PM | #50 |
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whether or not Wire is good can be said to be subjective
whether or not they created a lasting impact completely altering the way a subsantial amount of punks down the line approached music aka revolutionized is just a matter of objective history |
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10-08-2016, 10:33 PM | #51 |
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no it's not, just like any sort of history it's only one lens to give relational context to pieces of information. you are forming a narrative, and a narrative can i n c l u d e categorical facts but it is not a fact in of itself no matter how self-evident it seems to any individual
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10-08-2016, 10:35 PM | #52 |
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the fact which is forming the kernel of what you are saying is (I think) the Wire are cited by later punk artists as an influence
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10-08-2016, 10:44 PM | #53 |
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if it's not the defense then you're on the attack
when you start talking I hear the prozac convinced you found your place with the pierced queer teens in cyberspace when you were yourself it tasted sweet sours into a routine deceit |
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10-08-2016, 10:55 PM | #54 | |
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10-08-2016, 10:57 PM | #55 |
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it can i n c l u d e categorical facts but it is not a fact in of itself no matter how self-evident it seems to any individual
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10-08-2016, 11:37 PM | #56 |
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I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a strawman, but that's correct. "Important" is an entirely subjective and relative term. I think you are falling back on the perceived consensus of a larger group to assert factuality (historians of Rome, or people who love punk music). Roman historians have more ethos than the average person to speak about Rome, and people who love punk have more ethos than the average person to speak about punk. So it's not that these consensuses are not meaningful, because they absolutely can be. I do think Zeppelin is a very important band and the consensus is correct in that regard... to me. However, that also doesn't mean you aren't ultimately dealing in the realm of opinion. Rhetoric is like a competition to paint the most compelling narrative to your audience, not to shed light on the Truth with a Capital T.
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10-08-2016, 11:43 PM | #57 |
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Fact: Caesar was the first Emperor of Rome
Opinion: Caesar was an important Roman if someone is of the opinion that being the first Emperor of Rome was not important, as absurd as it may seem to the context with which you are viewing the statement, they are not "wrong." You aren't more correct or objectively aligned. It is an opinion. If you can't quantify something (like the idea of "importance") that's a good indicator you aren't dealing with facts the way they are commonly understood in the post-enlightenment scientific world |
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10-08-2016, 11:49 PM | #58 |
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I feel like you're trying too hard to make this really unnecessary distinction
very definition of important as it pertains to artists is that it's significantly original and/or influential as it pertains to a historical figure: having high rank or status |
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10-08-2016, 11:53 PM | #59 |
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this is why a sane person can recognize artists they personally don't care about as still being important
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10-09-2016, 12:03 AM | #60 |
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Both of those statements are opinions though
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