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09-09-2013, 07:57 PM | #301 |
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in my opinion it's actually been longer since chris cornell did something great than billy corgan. so. I don't know, I'm not seeing your point here which I think started out as being that Cornell is not terrible, or is less bad than Corgan or something.
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09-09-2013, 08:06 PM | #302 |
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I used to worship the Pumpkins and Corgan in particular but in more recent years I have grown to see them more as bandwagon jumpers even from the beginning. They started out as a new wave / post punk / goth band but quickly dropped that for something more indie sounding. Siamese Dream was somewhat calculated I think. It just seems like Soundgarden have always had more integrity. I respect Cornell more than Corgan.
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09-09-2013, 08:48 PM | #303 |
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in all fairness, Corgan has never been anything but rampantly vocal about how the goal of the band was to be hugely popular. I'm not sure it's accurate to say they jumped on the indie bandwagon though... when Gish was being written, the mainstream was still not interested in heavy guitar music, and even in the post-Nevermind paradigm, the Pumpkins were not exactly following in the footsteps of their contemporaries. Gish is much more akin to the decadent hard rock of the 70s and the psychedelia of the late 60s than to the punk sensibilities of the Seattle bands or the Pixies or whatever. The Pumpkins were rejected by the indie scene as equally as by the mainstream at first, and throughout their first run, Corgan repeatedly made an unabashed effort to go against the grain of what was popular as often as possible.
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09-10-2013, 12:05 AM | #304 | |
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Count me in for that, too.
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09-10-2013, 02:49 AM | #305 | |
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There's nothing respectable here? Seriously? |
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09-10-2013, 07:20 AM | #306 |
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it's not terrible but it's also not any better than oceania
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09-10-2013, 09:36 AM | #307 |
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I decided to do a track by track review of King Animal as I was listening to it for the first time... Here it is:
1. I've been away for too long: HEY! We're the same Soundgarden you used to love in 1994! Just don't listen to the lyrics. Pretty bad ass drums huh? 60/100 2. Non-State Actor: Wait! Don't skip this track!! ...oh, never mind, nothing to see here, move along. Hey, at least Chris did that digital scream he made famous in Audioslave! (btw, I did listen all the way through) 40/100 3. By Crooked Steps: This is the perfect example of why riff-rock is a dead end... oh, hey, remember how great 1994 was? Except age has robbed Chris of his range apparently. 35/100 4. A Thousand Days Before: Sitars are still hip right? See? We're still spiritual here... take that Billy Corgan! But, in all honesty... Kim Thayil still kicks ass. The guitar layering here is classic Soundgarden, but that seems to be the rub... nothing new here. 30/100 5. Blood on the Valley Floor: Bang them heads mofos. At least this track is picking up some heaviness! Eh... at exactly 1:48 the riff gets old. SURPRISE ME!!! 50/100 6. Bones of Birds: Meh. This album, so far makes me want to break all my other Soundgarden CDs and never listen to Soundgarden ever again. Hey, remember how awesome 1994 was? SHIT! I have 7 more tracks to go? WTF? The bass thing at the end is kinda cool though. 40/100 7. Taree: Is this about Stargate SG-1? One minute in... meh. I really don't wanna keep going. But I swore that I'd listen to every track all the way through. It's got all the right pieces... but it's not glued together correctly. It's like a Ming Dynasty vase that has been shattered by some asshole, and glued together by an eight-year old, with elmer's glue. 35/100 8. Attrition: hmmm.. Okay... yeah, I'm rockin. Well, except Chris should be screaming his head off in this song. Boring after 2 minutes. 50/100 9. Black Saturday: Okay... so far so good! Good groove. eh, not bad... not great though. By the end I was already wishing it was over. 50/100 10. Halfway There: Nice! Good melody. Nice... I like this song. It's one of the good ones. "If you've got a car and... somewhere to sleep Someone who loves you... and something to eat I would say you're doing better than most Well maybe not as well as some And how far is halfway there?" That spoke to me on a very personal level... I'll be listening to this one again. 70/100 11. Worse Dreams: This song's riff reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_DydKnpDsk It's definitely a rocker though. I wanna go back and listen to Sugarloaf though. 40/100 12. Eyelid's Mouth: Audioslave leftover? Sans Morello's inventive soloing? A borrowed bridge from "Outshined"? Meh. Over yet? Nope... over a minute of pointlessness aaaannnndddd fade out. 30/100 13. Rowing: Ah, the closer... will it be epic? Will it make the rest of the album make sense? Will history be kind? Ah, no, we get Soundgarden's version of a Johnny Cash-like spiritual, without any shred of authenticity. 30/100 Out of a possible 1300 (100 pts. per song)... this album is: 560/1300 Meh. Don't buy it. |
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09-10-2013, 12:25 PM | #308 |
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i was waiting with rapt anticipation for that
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09-10-2013, 12:25 PM | #309 |
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09-10-2013, 02:27 PM | #310 | |
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09-10-2013, 02:45 PM | #311 |
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09-10-2013, 03:10 PM | #312 |
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your face is the wrong board
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09-10-2013, 03:27 PM | #313 |
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09-10-2013, 04:07 PM | #314 |
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09-10-2013, 06:40 PM | #315 |
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98% of the bands who reunited is for the money. I dont understand what you are discussing here through this 13838678 pages.
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09-10-2013, 06:43 PM | #316 |
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King Animal is good but as far as recent comeback albums the best would have to be the Verve - Forth
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09-21-2013, 03:22 PM | #317 | |
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09-21-2013, 08:30 PM | #318 |
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Kurt Cobain and Rivers Cuomo were the songwriters for their respective bands and they put out great albums in the 90s. It's more about what type of person the bandleader is than whether or not it's mainly one person calling the shots.
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10-23-2013, 03:12 AM | #319 |
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Chris Cornell still sounds great >>>
Late Night With Jimmy Fallon (Pearl Jam Week) |
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10-23-2013, 04:40 PM | #320 | |
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as for weezer, band took a sharp downward trajectory after matt sharp left so i think that's also indicative of some creative input rather than cuomo calling all the shots |
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07-11-2015, 02:12 PM | #321 |
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07-11-2015, 02:40 PM | #322 |
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haha
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07-11-2015, 02:40 PM | #323 |
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let me out
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07-11-2015, 08:42 PM | #324 | |
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07-11-2015, 10:17 PM | #325 |
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What was this about?
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07-12-2015, 02:28 AM | #326 |
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07-12-2015, 04:55 AM | #327 |
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YES, Cornell's voice isn't what it used to be, his solo- and Audioslave work contains some very uninspired tracks (on the second solo album more than on Scream), and seeing Soundgarden live in 2013 was a disappointment. King Animal however is a pretty good album, and there is no way I'd rather listen to Oceania or Monuments.
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07-12-2015, 10:56 AM | #328 |
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or you could, you know, like just not listen to either.
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07-14-2015, 03:20 PM | #329 |
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07-14-2015, 03:36 PM | #330 |
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How rude! Please, mind your language, William. Thank you.
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