Pennies: a formal inquiry - Page 3

smashingjj · 11-19-2018, 07:07 AM

I agree rbg, lily > penies

smashingjj · 11-19-2018, 07:08 AM

I always thought pennies was super average. I mean an average song in their heyday was still good and I like it still, but I don't feel something particularly special about this song.

eviltimeban · 11-19-2018, 07:11 AM

It was the best song on that EP anyway (besides Zero). That's what made it stand out.

Zer0 Hour · 11-19-2018, 08:13 AM

Pennies is one of my favorites.

srt4b · 11-19-2018, 08:25 AM

When you pull up one of these old random B-Sides and YouTube plays some new random SP after it, it's often jarring.

FoolofaTook · 11-19-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by smashingjj

I agree rbg, lily > penies

This is how it begins: the downfall of a mod.

smashingjj · 11-19-2018, 10:00 AM

We're all falling down.

wHATcOLOR · 11-19-2018, 01:09 PM

one of their best songs ever. catchy, compact, emotional, cheeky

would have been perfect as a single

Mals Marola · 11-19-2018, 02:20 PM

if nothing else i'd love to see what they did for a music video

Zer0 Hour · 11-19-2018, 02:39 PM

But is it as good as Anti-Hero?

Mals Marola · 11-19-2018, 02:43 PM

is it better than Jack Bates?

Zer0 Hour · 11-19-2018, 02:52 PM

Is Jack Bates better than Norman Bates?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/47e5...itemid=4999664

FoolofaTook · 11-19-2018, 02:54 PM

Who is this "Jack Bates" you speak of?

Alice · 11-19-2018, 05:29 PM

Pls stop. This is neither the time nor the place

Alice · 11-19-2018, 05:29 PM

I love Lily. Never understood why it's not more popular

FoolofaTook · 11-19-2018, 05:43 PM

i like lily too. but it's definitely one of the weakest tracks on mcis and a total waste of space when you consider all the bsides that could of replaced it.

run2pee · 11-19-2018, 05:48 PM

Re lily:

By that point in the runtime, nearing the culminating moments of disc 2, the listener NEEDS that warm, oldtimey hum of those mellotron strings vs the yawning guitar tube sounds on the lead, plus the uncharacteristically shambolic drumming....omg lily is perfect you dummies stfu

T&T · 11-19-2018, 05:57 PM

lily is great
pennies is great

my fave of those modest songs has to be Medellia of the Gray Skies.. to me that's the sweetest of the b-sides.

pennies benefits as being the mellow track after all the rockers on the zero single.

FoolofaTook · 11-19-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Run To Me

Re lily:

By that point in the runtime, nearing the culminating moments of disc 2, the listener NEEDS that warm, oldtimey hum of those mellotron strings vs the yawning guitar tube sounds on the lead, plus the uncharacteristically shambolic drumming....omg lily is perfect you dummies stfu

bullfuckingshit. imagine if TAFH blasted out right there at the end.

think about it.

smashingjj · 11-19-2018, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wHATcOLOR

one of their best songs ever. catchy, compact, emotional, cheeky

would have been perfect as a single

I agree, heartache by converge is amazing

smashingjj · 11-19-2018, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by T&T

lily is great
pennies is great

my fave of those modest songs has to be Medellia of the Gray Skies.. to me that's the sweetest of the b-sides.

pennies benefits as being the mellow track after all the rockers on the zero single.

yeah medellia is gorgeous

FoolofaTook · 11-19-2018, 06:17 PM

medellia is one of my favs no doubt

Mals Marola · 11-19-2018, 06:46 PM

When are you numbskulls gonna realize that MCIS is perfect the way it is, even if they did end up cutting some of yer personal favs for the good of the album

T&T · 11-19-2018, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mals Marola

When are you numbskulls gonna realize that MCIS is perfect the way it is, even if they did end up cutting some of yer personal favs for the good of the album

of course it's perfect.

Zer0 Hour · 11-20-2018, 08:22 AM

Yeah I have no complaints about Mellon Collie (other than maybe the inclusion of Take Me Down; I always skip that one but it almost feels like it’s not really part of the album). I wouldn’t dump Lily or any of the other tracks for Pennies; though Pennies is also one of my favorites. Medellia as well. If anything, Billy probably should have just packaged up all the TAFH material and released it as a new album; a companion piece to Mellon Collie. I mean, that’s kind of what TAFH was but packaging it the way he did (expensively) and clearly establishing that it was a B-side collection probably kept anyone but hardcore fans from picking it up. Most of the tracks were strong enough that I think he could have just released it as a real album and it would have been another big hit.

eviltimeban · 11-20-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

Yeah I have no complaints about Mellon Collie (other than maybe the inclusion of Take Me Down; I always skip that one but it almost feels like it’s not really part of the album). I wouldn’t dump Lily or any of the other tracks for Pennies; though Pennies is also one of my favorites. Medellia as well. If anything, Billy probably should have just packaged up all the TAFH material and released it as a new album; a companion piece to Mellon Collie. I mean, that’s kind of what TAFH was but packaging it the way he did (expensively) and clearly establishing that it was a B-side collection probably kept anyone but hardcore fans from picking it up. Most of the tracks were strong enough that I think he could have just released it as a real album and it would have been another big hit.

But then he'd have had no b-sides for the singles as they were released. B-sides were important in those days. See also: Oasis.

Zer0 Hour · 11-20-2018, 09:44 AM

Yeah, I know B-sides were a thing back then but he could have just used some old material leftover from the early days for that. I mean, he already had a catalogue of like 150 songs back then. Plus, most of the singles had like five B-sides. You don't really need more than one.

eviltimeban · 11-20-2018, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

Yeah, I know B-sides were a thing back then but he could have just used some old material leftover from the early days for that. I mean, he already had a catalogue of like 150 songs back then. Plus, most of the singles had like five B-sides. You don't really need more than one.

You did in the CD age. It was expected on a CD single to have the single, plus two, normally three b-sides. Sure they could've been live recordings, or acoustic versions, but most people (me included) bought them for the extra tracks.

Today was so much better because it had HKK and Obscured on it, for example. I Am One had Starla and Plume.

He couldn't have used that old stuff; like, he wasn't going to release 1979 with Spiteface or My Dahlia on the b-side. As people buying them would actually play those songs, rather than them just being there to fill space.

It's a shame the 4-song CD single is gone, as it made bands release some of their more interesting material. To wit, all of Pisces and most of TAFH.

Zer0 Hour · 11-20-2018, 10:08 AM

Yeah, true. I still think Starla should have been on Gish. That song is a fucking masterpiece and definitely album-worthy. I would have dumped Window Paine or Daydream for that one, if I had to. I like those songs of course but Starla is amazing.

eviltimeban · 11-20-2018, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

Yeah, true. I still think Starla should have been on Gish. That song is a fucking masterpiece and definitely album-worthy. I would have dumped Window Paine or Daydream for that one, if I had to. I like those songs of course but Starla is amazing.

True, but a lot of it is just that long (albeit awesome) guitar solo and it would've been criticised as such if it was on Gish. A b-side is the perfect place for something like that, and it worked in the context of what Pisces was.

View Poll Results: What do you think of Pennies?
It's great	61	73.49%
It's good	13	15.66%
It's ok	8	9.64%
It's bad	0	0%
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11-19-2018, 07:07 AM	#61
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	I agree rbg, lily > penies

11-19-2018, 07:08 AM	#62
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	I always thought pennies was super average. I mean an average song in their heyday was still good and I like it still, but I don't feel something particularly special about this song.

11-19-2018, 07:11 AM	#63
eviltimeban Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,142	It was the best song on that EP anyway (besides Zero). That's what made it stand out.

11-19-2018, 08:13 AM	#64
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	Pennies is one of my favorites.

11-19-2018, 08:25 AM	#65
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,098	When you pull up one of these old random B-Sides and YouTube plays some new random SP after it, it's often jarring.

11-19-2018, 10:00 AM	#67
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	We're all falling down.

11-19-2018, 01:09 PM	#68
wHATcOLOR THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Location: \|\| MY NAME IS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID ROCK!! Posts: 47,247	one of their best songs ever. catchy, compact, emotional, cheeky would have been perfect as a single

11-19-2018, 02:20 PM	#69
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	if nothing else i'd love to see what they did for a music video

11-19-2018, 02:39 PM	#70
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	But is it as good as Anti-Hero?

11-19-2018, 02:43 PM	#71
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	is it better than Jack Bates?

11-19-2018, 02:54 PM	#73
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	Who is this "Jack Bates" you speak of?

11-19-2018, 02:52 PM	#72
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	Is Jack Bates better than Norman Bates? https://media1.tenor.com/images/47e5...itemid=4999664

11-19-2018, 05:29 PM	#74
Alice Minion of Satan Location: i am volatile, a free spirit, a rogue agent Posts: 6,254	Pls stop. This is neither the time nor the place

11-19-2018, 05:43 PM	#76
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	i like lily too. but it's definitely one of the weakest tracks on mcis and a total waste of space when you consider all the bsides that could of replaced it.

11-19-2018, 05:48 PM	#77
run2pee Minion of Satan Location: An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom Posts: 7,747	Re lily: By that point in the runtime, nearing the culminating moments of disc 2, the listener NEEDS that warm, oldtimey hum of those mellotron strings vs the yawning guitar tube sounds on the lead, plus the uncharacteristically shambolic drumming....omg lily is perfect you dummies stfu

11-19-2018, 05:57 PM	#78
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,677	lily is great pennies is great my fave of those modest songs has to be Medellia of the Gray Skies.. to me that's the sweetest of the b-sides. pennies benefits as being the mellow track after all the rockers on the zero single.

11-19-2018, 06:17 PM	#82
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	medellia is one of my favs no doubt

11-19-2018, 06:46 PM	#83
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	When are you numbskulls gonna realize that MCIS is perfect the way it is, even if they did end up cutting some of yer personal favs for the good of the album

11-20-2018, 08:22 AM	#85
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	Yeah I have no complaints about Mellon Collie (other than maybe the inclusion of Take Me Down; I always skip that one but it almost feels like it’s not really part of the album). I wouldn’t dump Lily or any of the other tracks for Pennies; though Pennies is also one of my favorites. Medellia as well. If anything, Billy probably should have just packaged up all the TAFH material and released it as a new album; a companion piece to Mellon Collie. I mean, that’s kind of what TAFH was but packaging it the way he did (expensively) and clearly establishing that it was a B-side collection probably kept anyone but hardcore fans from picking it up. Most of the tracks were strong enough that I think he could have just released it as a real album and it would have been another big hit.

11-20-2018, 09:44 AM	#87
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	Yeah, I know B-sides were a thing back then but he could have just used some old material leftover from the early days for that. I mean, he already had a catalogue of like 150 songs back then. Plus, most of the singles had like five B-sides. You don't really need more than one.

11-20-2018, 10:08 AM	#89
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	Yeah, true. I still think Starla should have been on Gish. That song is a fucking masterpiece and definitely album-worthy. I would have dumped Window Paine or Daydream for that one, if I had to. I like those songs of course but Starla is amazing.