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Old 06-21-2020, 08:25 PM   #1
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Default that batch of songs from around 1989 that were only played live

songs like i am my end, razor, try to try, lie i lie, salt, etc.

the last time the band went to reel time studios was apparently to record these songs, but jimmy didn't show up so they did an acoustic session instead: http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=6

but why didn't they ever record them at any of the next chances they had?

it seems strange that the band just abandoned the idea of recording those songs for some reason. they were still playing some of these songs live in 1990, 1991, and even i am my end in 1992, so they obviously didn't hate the songs or anything.
especially with billy being quite particular about putting compositions into the LOC to protect copyright, anyone know why these were neglected?

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 08:59 PM   #2
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maybe they did record them but they're not bootlegged ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 09:10 PM   #3
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Razor stinks anyway.

Also lol at D’Arcy showing up but not bothering to play. I guess she was a bit lazy in the studio even back then

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:26 PM   #4
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This is an area of the bands history that greatly interests me. I have asked Billy through various Q&A's but have never even gotten a hateful response. Maybe it's my affinity for that 80's goth /new wave sound, but I really love these songs. I hope they have a secret studio session in the vaults that has never been bootlegged.

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:52 PM   #5
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But they did record Razor.

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:55 PM   #6
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Razor stinks anyway.

Also lol at D’Arcy showing up but not bothering to play. I guess she was a bit lazy in the studio even back then
He said Jimmy was the one who didn’t show.

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:59 PM   #7
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He said Jimmy was the one who didn’t show.
If only you could click through to that SPFC link!

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:25 PM   #8
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you'd think if they recorded any of them as a studio / demo then they would have ended up on mashed potatoes instead of the live versions.

or they would have ended up on the gish / pi reissue.

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But they did record Razor.
really, do tell?

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:30 PM   #9
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I guess she was a bit lazy in the studio even back then
if the agreement was to record certain songs as a full band, and that gets cancelled, then i don't think it's bad if she doesn't want to do something different instead all of a sudden.

billy and james obviously decided to do a (pretty shit, lets be honest) acoustic session spur of the moment, so i don't think darcy is obliged to play on that.

and often having bass doesn't work that well on acoustic only tracks anyway.

i am one part 2 is probably the only decent thing they did that day.

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:33 PM   #10
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But they did record Razor.
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really, do tell?
Yeah, I'd like to know about this as well. News to me.

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:41 PM   #11
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hmmm, razor shows up on this list (yellow piece of paper) from the gish sessions:

https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-..._Smart_Studios

also interesting that siva isn't on the list, the only song from gish not on there...

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:46 PM   #12
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Without starting a new thread: I've always wondered why The Ignoffo Tape is classified as being from 1988, but the demos are the same from the 1989 Reel Time Sessions. Which is the correct year?

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:15 AM   #13
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looks like it's a mix of 88 and 89 stuff, so it just gets labelled 88 as the starting date.

more info here:

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...6&postcount=25

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:45 AM   #14
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Can’t forget “Oui Henri” too. That’s a good one

Special thanks to Jim for blowing off this session to get fucked up and robbing us of more sweet pre Gish demos.

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:56 AM   #15
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looks like it's a mix of 88 and 89 stuff, so it just gets labelled 88 as the starting date.

more info here:

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...6&postcount=25
Thanks, read that whole thread after searching for more info.

Can anyone add to this list

• 1988 non-released original songs:
1. 6234
2. Armed to the Teeth
3. Bleed
4. Cross
5. Death of a Mind/Sun
6. East (MP)
7. Heart
8. Holiday
9. I Fall
10. Jennifer Ever
11. My Dahlia
12. My Eternity
13. Nothing and Everything
14. Oui Henri
15. Screaming
16. She
17. Spiteface
18. The Vigil
19. There It Goes
20. Under Your Spell
• 1989 non-released original songs:
1. Alabaster
2. Ball and Chain
3. Bye June
4. Cinder Open
5. C'mon
6. Daughter
7. Egg
8. Fat Man Blues
9. Honeyspider
10. I Am My End
11. I Am One Part II
12. Lie I Lie
13. Love (pre-Gish demo)
14. Not Worth Asking
15. Psychodelic
16. Razor
17. Salt
18. Snap
19. Stars Fall In
20. Stray Cat Blues
21. Try to Try
22. Vanilla
23. Waiting
24. Waiting For You Now
25. With You
• 1990 non-released original songs:
1. 365
2. I’ll Never Change
3. Jesus is the Sun
4. Mourning Jam
5. Opal-Worship
6. Over You
• 1991 non-released original songs:
1. Cinder
2. Crawl
3. Jesus Loves His Babies
4. Purr Snickety
5. Smiley
6. STP
7. Wave Song
• 1992 non-released original songs:
1. Blissed
2. Bullet Train To Osaka
3. Glynis
4. Jellybelly (old demo)
5. Lookout Loretta
6. Moleasskiss
7. Offer Up
8. Siamese Dream
9. Translucent
10. Tulips/Barb Wire
11. U.S.A.
12. U.S.S.R.
13. Your Whore
• 1993 non-released original songs:
1. Apathy’s Last Kiss
2. Infinite Sadness
3. Where's Vince?

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Old 06-22-2020, 02:27 AM   #16
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i know it's not really what you are asking for, but what is your definition of non-released?

my dahlia and sun got an official release. the smashing pumpkins demo tape was an official release even though very limited and only cassette. bye june was on lull. daughter was released on the flexi. honeyspider and not worth asking were on the bonus 7" with pisces.

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 02:35 AM   #17
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but yes, you are missing 'waiting' and 'waiting for you now' from the acoustic reel time studio session mentioned at the start.

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 02:45 AM   #18
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I cut those off when pasting. It's been updated.

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i know it's not really what you are asking for, but what is your definition of non-released?
To clarify, I mean main sequence release. Be it an album like Gish, or a compilation like Pisces, Earphoria or TAFH. Singles and such don't count.

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 03:17 AM   #19
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you are missing a few from this in '88:

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=220

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 08:34 AM   #20
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Thanks, read that whole thread after searching for more info.

Can anyone add to this list
bye june was on lull
not worth asking was on i am one vinyl
purr snickety was on cherub rock vinyl
apathy's last kiss was on today vinyl
glynis was on no alternative
smiley on peel sessions

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 08:38 AM   #21
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oh i see you said singles don't count. i mean, why not?

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:19 AM   #22
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What I wouldn't give for studio Cinder or Alabaster...

 
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Old 06-22-2020, 04:58 PM   #23
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At this early point in their career Billy didn't have much power to leverage against Jimmy for not showing up to a session. Jimmy could have said fuck you and peaced out and Billy would've never found a drummer as good. But you can bet that after Gish and SD that Billy ruled with an iron fist and came down on Jim like a ton of bricks if he stepped out of line, which tbh is probably what the dude needed. So much great music wouldn't have been made if Billy just let the band fuck around.

 
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