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10-10-2017, 11:38 PM | #1 |
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Reminder that Zwan was the best thing Billy's done since 2000
miss me with that 'ogilalala is better' shit
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10-11-2017, 02:04 AM | #2 |
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Personally, did not like Zwan. Thought it was pretty much more of the bleh Billy on Prozac sounding affair we've been getting since post-original SP line up. I much prefer Zeitgeist over Zwan. But hey, what the hell do I know?
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10-11-2017, 02:13 AM | #3 |
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the greatness of Zwan begins and ends with "Chrysanthemum," one of the most meaningful & powerful songs Bill's ever written
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10-11-2017, 02:23 AM | #4 |
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zwan was great
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10-11-2017, 05:20 AM | #5 |
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10-11-2017, 05:57 AM | #6 |
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2013:
"Billy Corgan revealed in a new interview with GaterRocks.com that he hopes to release 65 unreleased Zwan songs as part of a Zwan box set in the near future." http://archive.alternativenation.net...-of-a-box-set/ |
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10-11-2017, 06:06 AM | #7 |
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Fairy tales and time in whales Substitutes for sin It takes some life to find the light within Whistle past the lane, lover Whistle past the lane 'Cause love's forever strange Nestle on the moon, sunshine Nestle on the moon Should you hear that faint murmur Of what love might do Seven stars that shine In my mind, oh my mind I'll take you with me where I climb In my mind, oh my mind And if I'm wrong I'm right I'm never gonna lose you If I'm wrong I'm right Take me to your life Summertime's the only child Summertime's the only child this night You want to brace the golden fool Let's make this right Nightingales and nursery crimes Twins that spark the charts It takes some trust to find a trust apart Whistle past the lane, lover Whistle past the lane 'Cause love's forever strange Nestle on the sun, starlight Nestle on the sun Should you hear that faint murmur Of what love has done Seven stars that weep In my sleep, oh in my sleep I'll take you with me where I keep In my sleep, oh in my sleep And if I'm wrong I'm right I'm never gonna loose you If I'm wrong I'm right Take me to your life All you need is you, lover All you need is you All you need is you, lover So please need me too What you need is love, stranger What you need is love When your love needs it's danger Please let me through when I've got you |
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10-11-2017, 06:14 AM | #8 |
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that sounds like ZWAN but i feel its p good
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10-11-2017, 06:15 AM | #9 |
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or like pisces iscariot
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10-11-2017, 06:31 AM | #10 |
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10-11-2017, 09:01 AM | #11 |
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The unreleased Zwan stuff was great. The album sucked ass.
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10-11-2017, 01:01 PM | #12 |
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For me the acoustic/semi-acoustic Zwan shows are what I consider his best work since 2000. The electric stuff less so but still mostly great ( but I've never understood the love for Chrysanthenum, even if Jimmy does kick ass on it). The studio production kinda sucked the life out of some otherwise good songs.
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10-11-2017, 02:00 PM | #13 |
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The problem was that Billy attempted to use the band as a way of recapturing his lost fame.
Here's why Billy was a fucking idiot re: Zwan... The original 4 members built a solid fanbase from their early club shows. The band actually had an element of 'indie cred', drawing fans of both Chavez and Slint. At this point, you'd assume all the band would need to do is go into the studio and capture some of that live energy and showcase the best songs from their live sets. But no... Billy had to assert his idiotic "commercial album then art album" master plan and recorded an artificial, commercial sounding album that both alienated existing fans and was ignored by mainstream audiences. It was the musical equivalent of a cold call from a telemarketer. Even Dave Grohl restarted his post-Nirvana career with a modest album that had no intention of being a hit. I'm sure Zwan could have easily been a critical and commercial success if it was allowed to grow organically over the course of a few albums. To add insult to artistic injury, Billy attempted the "commercial album then art album" trick again with Monuments and Day For Night -and again destroyed a band and failed miserably. It's almost as if your plan was always a bad idea, Billy. |
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10-11-2017, 02:29 PM | #14 |
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the power of "Chrysanthemum" is as much contextual as it is the song itself. there are a few recordings of it, but that one from Pomona that we have video of is the first song Billy played on stage after the breakup of the Pumpkins less than a year earlier. They waste no time with this immense power pop rocker, & the simplicity & positivity of the lyrics is really unique in his body of work... "yesterday / we were going somewhere" ... it's an uncharacteristically reflective song where he's dealing with the death of his life's work, BUT rather than wallowing in it, it's a wistful remembrance, AND most importantly, the song is about moving forward. Musically, it's a major key & uplifting rewrite of Jellybelly. "Living makes me sick / so sick I wish I'd die" versus "A flower's still a flower crushed to dust inside my hand." it just stands out as remarkably mature in sentiment, and I think that comes thru in the music & lyrics. and it's all the more tragic that we know that positive attitude wouldn't last long at all.
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10-11-2017, 03:05 PM | #15 |
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chrysanthemum is amazing
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10-11-2017, 04:05 PM | #16 |
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I like that acoustic "Hideout Compilation" stuff that's up on ThePumpkins.net, but I've listened to their actual proper release, like, once, and it was pretty boring.
I liked "Of a Broken Heart," tho. The rest sounded like Christian rock. |
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10-11-2017, 04:18 PM | #17 |
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the christian vibe is kinda nice i think. the songs aren't terrible (esp compared to the recent shit) but they're so lacking compared to the 2001 stuff
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10-11-2017, 10:22 PM | #18 |
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Djali zwan is good. the song msots is good. and electric a new poetry pwns.
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10-11-2017, 10:23 PM | #19 |
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Live msots was fucking incredible. Must have been around 15 minutes long and had this amazing riff near the end that wasn't on the album.
the rest of thr songs blew. honestly settledown.. bleurgh! |
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10-12-2017, 09:24 AM | #20 |
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"Mary Star of the Sea" is an astonishingly underrated album. Musically diverse, expertly played by the best line-up Corgan has ever played with - and does not contain a single track that doesn't fit. It has always reminded me of "Revolver" by The Beatles, in both intent and excellence of execution. A breakup record that choses to make the case for why the lady in question should reconsider and stay, rather than wallowing in despair. I wish there were many more Zwan records. FoolOfaTook - are you seriously saying you don't like that driving bass-riff that is the basis for "Settle Down"?
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10-12-2017, 09:28 AM | #21 |
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my only complaint is this is when he started to write stupid fucking song names
Baby Let's Rock! Yeah! |
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10-12-2017, 09:40 AM | #22 |
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I remember lining up in Wellington in 2001, outside the hole in the wall, to see Shihad play, and the only other tr00 Pumpkins fan in Wellington was telling me about how Billy was starting up a new band. "Yeah?" I said. "Yeah. He's called it.... Zwan." And we both looked at each other and rolled our eyes.
I wanted to like it, I wanted it to be better than that stupid name. But it was too late. There were too many other interesting albums coming out that year and Zwan just made me cringe. |
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10-12-2017, 10:10 AM | #23 |
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It's the singing on settledown that makes me want to gouge my own eyes out
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10-12-2017, 10:38 AM | #24 |
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I'm placing all bets on some unreleased Zwan stuff making the rounds if /when the reunion happens. Ever since Bill said he didn't want to do the box and that he and Jimmy might rework it into Pumpkins tracks....yeah.
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10-12-2017, 05:03 PM | #25 |
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Find a download of the MSotS pre-master tracks if you can. The tracks sound way better without the terrible mastering that makes everything sound artificial and shit.
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10-12-2017, 05:49 PM | #26 | |
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Only 8 pre-master tracks have surfaced though as far as I know: --------- DR Peak RMS Filename ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR11 -0.00 dB -11.99 dB 01 - Lyric.aiff DR12 -0.00 dB -14.73 dB 02 - Yeah.aiff DR11 -0.00 dB -12.60 dB 03 - Endless Summer.aiff DR11 -0.30 dB -13.66 dB 04 - Honestly.aiff DR12 -1.38 dB -15.60 dB 05 - Settle Down.aiff DR11 -1.47 dB -15.16 dB 06 - Ride a Black Swan.aiff DR11 -1.02 dB -16.05 dB 07 - Desire.aiff DR11 -0.00 dB -12.84 dB 08 - Baby Lets Rock.aiff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of files: 8 Official DR value: DR11 |
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10-12-2017, 10:18 PM | #27 |
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Those 8 pre-master tracks and rough mixes for 6 of those 8 - Yeah, Lyric, Ride a Black Swan, Baby let's Rock, Endless Summer.
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10-12-2017, 10:44 PM | #28 |
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Where can one listen to these pre-masters?
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10-12-2017, 10:47 PM | #29 |
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10-13-2017, 12:10 AM | #30 |
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REMINDER that OGILALA is coming out Friday 13th
http://ogilala.com/app/uploads/2017/...-1100x1100.jpg |
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