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02-07-2016, 05:45 PM | #31 | |
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I absolutely love "Ask" though. Hearing that song for the fist time was almost worth plowing through their discography |
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02-07-2016, 05:46 PM | #32 |
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Yeah that's true for the most part. I mean a song like SP's god and country is otherwise pretty cool but the cornball preachy lyrics were just a deal breaker for me.
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02-07-2016, 06:19 PM | #33 | |
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02-07-2016, 07:53 PM | #34 |
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Theres really nothing inherently punk about Morrisey... Unless you're meaning that anything new and original classifies as "punk".
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02-07-2016, 09:55 PM | #35 |
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Punk is not a haircut
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02-08-2016, 06:33 PM | #36 |
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punks a sound foo... The Smiths ain't punk
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02-08-2016, 07:01 PM | #37 |
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02-08-2016, 07:03 PM | #38 |
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god damn they are so good. Listening to the Smiths just transports you to another world. A dreary, grey, English, Margaret Thatcher world.
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02-08-2016, 07:04 PM | #39 |
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"there's a club if you'd like to go,
you could meet somebody who really loves you" so I go and I stand on my own and I leave on my own and I go home and I cry and I want to die |
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02-08-2016, 07:10 PM | #40 |
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I hear some similarities between The Smiths and '80s post-punk bands, but I usually hear them lumped in the "alternative rock" category (of which they are considered a seminal band), rather than in the post-punk category. In the end, it doesn't really matter. Genres are just kind of whatevs
What we should be discussing, however, is the real punk of NOFX, Greenday, and Blink-182. |
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02-08-2016, 07:22 PM | #41 | |
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02-08-2016, 07:36 PM | #42 |
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Fuck, I used to like the Smiths you guys why do we have to do this to everything.....
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02-08-2016, 08:09 PM | #43 |
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analyze bands?
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02-08-2016, 08:26 PM | #44 |
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Yes in that way that's like "is it punk," was it "revolutionary," or "just influential"
I'd rather hear foolofatook's descriptions, personally |
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02-08-2016, 08:45 PM | #45 |
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Like how about actual emotions the music provokes in you. Or let's have fun trying to describe in physical terms how the sounds strike us or visual what they conjure in the mind's eye.
These rock n roll history lessons from people who clearly weren't even there...dunno man, for me it's just so fucking tiresome |
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02-08-2016, 09:29 PM | #46 |
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It shouldn't be. While I certainly wasn't there this stuff didn't happen that long ago and is very well documented and is imo super interesting stuff to read about.
The Smiths, like other bands that formed the Jangle Pop genre, were a mix of sixties girl pop and Punk/Proto Punk Morrissey and Marr were "incurable Sandie Shaw fans" to use Moz's words But also Moz, like a lot of post punkers, was at the first Sex Pistols shows and described being exposed to Johnny Rotten as one of the most influential experiences of his life. On top of that you have Moz's obsession with the NY Dolls and Mike Joyce's actual background in Punk bands |
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02-08-2016, 09:32 PM | #47 |
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Like you had skinheads singing songs about gay sex because the music in something like Handsome Devil has such rockabilly kick to it
If that isn't punk idk what is |
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02-09-2016, 10:28 AM | #49 |
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02-09-2016, 10:30 AM | #50 |
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I bet you none of these analytical fuckers knows SHIT about quaffing chalices of dextromethorphan on the Arabian shores of the red sea while listening to dopesmoker and, a one choice moment in time, throwing a lighter into the dying ember of fire to create a small, but utterly visceral, explosion.
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02-09-2016, 10:31 AM | #51 |
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it was like a fireball arising from the flames. it awoke my drowsing Russian friend into full wakefulness.
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02-09-2016, 01:09 PM | #52 |
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sonic youth was my favorite for a long time... now i'm more into swans.
though if there's one guy who can convince me to buy expensive box sets, it's gotta be bob dylan. |
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02-09-2016, 05:08 PM | #53 |
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I've only tried Swans' first album and hated it.
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02-09-2016, 06:22 PM | #54 |
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maybe try their last one instead
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02-09-2016, 10:36 PM | #55 | |
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02-10-2016, 07:46 AM | #56 |
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Sufjan for me. Michigan, Seven Swans, Illinois, The Age of Adz and Carrie & Lowell are all amazing. The All Delighted People EP has some amazingly good songs too (the title tracks are just okay, but The Owl and The Tanager + Djohariah in particular are incredible). A lot of his Christmas songs are great. A Sun Came is uneven, but still has a few gems. The rest of his stuff (Enjoy Your Rabbit, The BQE, etc) is interesting, but I don't feel quite as strongly about it.
I think a lot of people read him "wrong" (if you can even say such a thing about art). People sometimes describe him as twee or gimmicky, but that's mostly because of his sense of humor, which serves a purpose - either as plain misdirection or as an attempt to sound less self-important. It's about finding a balance between all the human drama that consumes us and the fact that none of us is the center of the universe. It's also easy to be suspicious of his music because a lot of it is just so pretty. Once upon a time I used to love pretty music. Then l I got tired of hearing beautiful-sounding songs and thinking I could LOVE them, only to be left feeling empty and disappointed after a few listens. What keeps me coming back to Sufjan's music is that he's an amazing writer, and underneath the surface his songs are sad and conflicted and joyful, full of pain with some impossible hope for redemption. The Owl and the Tanager is my favorite song of his. It's the most beautiful song I've ever heard about being abused as a child by someone you trust, with all the conflicted and unresolved emotions involved in a relationship you aren't actually running away from. All you want is to love and to be loved, and the "love" you are given feels necessary and oppressive at the same time. It consumes you and leaves you weary and violated, and yet you long for some sort of respite in it, for some sense of love and safety, because you are a child and you need it and you don't know any better. It's just heartbreaking. It's direct and poetic at the same time; it never sounds like an exercise in creative writing, even though it's incredibly well-crafted; and he never ever dials it in live. |
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02-10-2016, 09:28 AM | #57 |
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I still find something to like in pretty much all Smashing Pumpkins stuff but other favourites I've lost interest in or they've done something to upset me. I listen to more stuff than ever, there's a lot more choice now than when I was a kid but nothing really sticks.
I was heavy into Alec Empire & Atari Teenage Riot for a long time but the ATR reunion and subsequent albums have been really lame. Went to see them in Rome and they were on something like 5 hrs late with no opening acts. Really exhausting time, by the time they came out I couldn't really be bothered with it. Only listened to them since when they released their 2nd new album and it was complete garbage. New SP isn't great but new ATR... eeeesh. |
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02-10-2016, 12:52 PM | #58 |
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02-10-2016, 08:16 PM | #59 | |
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I used to consider Alec Empire a hero, but yeah, the reunion is pretty bad... |
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02-12-2016, 10:35 AM | #60 |
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I was on dxm. Hash is everywhere tho. I was just unable to find due to the brevity of my stay in that kingdom of theirs.
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