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07-22-2009, 06:02 PM | #91 |
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the illegal traffic from canada has to stop!!!!
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07-22-2009, 06:09 PM | #92 | |
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It's not just nimrod. I was really referring to the grassroots arm of the anti-immigration folk, groups like the minutemen and Save our State who do not hide the racial element of their movements. Meanwhile republicans knowingly pass on denouncing these groups because its important to have them on board to galvanize their base, to let them do the mudslinging against immigrants. |
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07-22-2009, 06:13 PM | #93 |
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yup
same old crap since 1835 |
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07-22-2009, 06:49 PM | #94 |
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I don't blame the people you moron, I blame the system that is set up to reward such behavior.
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07-22-2009, 06:59 PM | #95 |
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ok so how did they bankrupt california
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07-22-2009, 07:00 PM | #96 |
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the crystal ball says nimrod will reply "I don't have time to explain things to you, idiot."
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07-23-2009, 01:06 AM | #97 |
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You're a homeless guy and you go to a supermarket. You see that the supermarket is handing out free samples of food that the store is selling. You grab a bunch of the samples, and then leave without paying the store a cent.
The point of those samples are to entice people into actually buying the product in question, i.e.: paying money for the actual product the store is providing a sample of. But this homeless man isn't doing this. He's mooching off the store and not giving the store one thin dime in return. And he's going to keep getting away with this, because the store isn't going to stop handing out these samples, because there are many people out there who are actually going to use them the way they were meant to be used...as a taste of the real thing, not the lifeblood of moochers. This is similar to what our increasingly lax attitude toward illegal immigration is doing to states with high concentrations of illegals, like California. Illegals don't pay taxes; they don't contribute anything toward these government-provided services, yet libs have no problem with heaping all these perks on them like they don't cost taxpayers and the state anything. Like Nimrod said, providing these benefits to illegals is just negative reinforcement. It's one thing to give people enough to get on their feet, and it's one thing to give would-be immigrants guest-worker programs to allow people to enter the country legally. It's another thing to continue to allow the countless amounts of illegals to leech off a system they put nothing back into. This isn't racism, it's a fact. This may not be the entire problem with the budget in California, but there's no fucking way it's not at least part of it. Just because they crossed the borders illegally shouldn't necessarily make them my responsibility by default. As an aside, a new bill (H.R. 2812) was recently introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Texas Democrat Rep. Salvador Ortiz, which if passed would essentially make it easier for pregnant Mexican women to use American/Mexican midwives and U.S. border birthing facilities inside U.S. borders to birth their children, and immediately acquire U.S. citizenship and passports on the word of midwives. Hmm...anchor babies, anyone? Last edited by Crippler : 07-23-2009 at 01:15 AM. |
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07-23-2009, 01:16 AM | #98 |
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ahahah crippler is a conservative
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07-23-2009, 01:23 AM | #99 |
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There is no Representative from Texas named Salvador Ortiz. There is a Solomon Ortiz. Quote:
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07-23-2009, 02:00 AM | #101 | |
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illegal immigration is bad. just not as bad as you think it is. there are so many worse things to worry about in this economy. illegal immigration is just an easy scapecoat for people who don't want to think too hard. |
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07-23-2009, 02:17 AM | #102 |
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They also provide cheap labor and keep the cost of goods down.
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07-23-2009, 02:40 AM | #103 | |
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and don't say jczeroman because he's a far radical liberal. |
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07-23-2009, 02:41 AM | #104 |
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07-23-2009, 02:42 AM | #105 |
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and goddamn it why can't you guys be a brutal poet like bill is
Is your mouth all glued up with cunny juice I asked you a question. |
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07-23-2009, 02:44 AM | #106 |
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also why don't we just naturalize all of them as they came in like they did in bill's time mm?
oh dear what craziness |
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07-23-2009, 02:47 AM | #107 | ||
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07-23-2009, 03:05 AM | #108 |
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i don't think that's how you use the word microcosm
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07-23-2009, 03:05 AM | #109 | |
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What reason would you have to call me a head up my ass moron other than my politics? |
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07-23-2009, 03:07 AM | #110 |
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07-23-2009, 03:24 AM | #111 | ||
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And even if you use the worst interpretation of the numbers, that amounts to what? 15 percent of the country uninsured? That's not ideal, but that's not a crisis either. It's certainly not enough of one to throw out the baby with the bathwater and start up a new system from the ground level willy-nilly. How can we gamble with the coverage of the 80ish percent of the country who is insured in such a way? Quote:
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07-23-2009, 03:26 AM | #112 | |
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It's a reasonable to assume that illegal immigration is a net drain on the economy, but you're obviously exaggerating the problems. My original point stands: there are more important things that need fixing. Even if you got your wish and we magically disappeared all illegal immigrants from California, guess what, the state would be still bankrupt. |
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07-23-2009, 03:43 AM | #113 | |
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You're assuming that many if not most illegals actually own homes and/or are paying rent and some form of taxation legitimately. And I never said that most illegals are homeless. I'm willing to wager, though, that there are far more illegals living in government-subsidized homes (again, another thing my tax dollars are paying for) than a place that they've paid for completely out of their own pocket. I'm not saying that only illegals use government-funded subsidies (such as welfare checks, subsidized housing and food stamps), or anything ridiculous like that. What I'm saying is that it's far easier than people realize for illegals to get what are essentially free rides in this country, which is, as I've stated above, a form of negative reinforcement. And it sure as hell isn't helping the economy, no matter what way you spin it. Again, I'm not trying to be a racist. But I've yet to understand why liberals insist that this is a non-issue. |
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07-23-2009, 03:53 AM | #114 |
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07-23-2009, 04:53 AM | #115 |
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crippler have you been lurking this whole time
font colors are so 2002 |
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07-23-2009, 04:53 AM | #116 |
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07-23-2009, 04:56 AM | #117 |
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i mean if it helps you sleep at night that i think you're a fuckhead simply because of your politics then go right ahead
how about the way you talk about arkansas football like you're just a coach away from a national title i don't need to make a list. your politics are just the icing on the douchebag cake. |
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07-23-2009, 08:49 AM | #118 | |
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what is more convenient then the possibility of underpaying someone, abusing them, without them having the legal right to demand anything? |
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07-23-2009, 11:35 AM | #119 |
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07-23-2009, 12:21 PM | #120 | |
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Medicare has kept its cost growth below that of the private insurers. Both Medicare and Medicaid have wildly low administration costs compared to that of the private insurance (6% vs 30%). And if anybody jumps up to accuse the govt of forcing medicare/medicaid on anybody, it's simply not true. Medical facilities are free to decide whether they will accept or refuse medicare/medicaid patients. Obviously, hospitals do not make as much profit from medicare/medicaid patients compared to privately insured patients. But if it becomes actually unprofitable, then hospitals all over the country would drop their medicare/medicaid patients and it would spurn the govt to raise their reimbursement rates. Despite this popular meme that private companies always run things more efficiently than govt, it's simply not true in the case of healthcare. And why is that? The key is probably the fact that the govt is not looking to make a profit in this business. There is just something distasteful with having a profit motive here, where it benefits a private insurance to deny somebody coverage or underinsure them. Now some may say that being nonprofit gives the govt system an unfair advantage over the private market, but again, I would say that's a feature, not a bug. The private market should do better. They're always suppose to do better than govt, right? |
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