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11-09-2019, 06:10 PM | #1 |
Braindead
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Teargarden isn't even an original project name
It was already a Goth/Industrial project featuring Edward Ka-Spel of Legendary Pink Dots (a much much more clever artist)
I just needed to say this somewhere thanks |
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11-09-2019, 06:33 PM | #2 |
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ok
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11-09-2019, 07:32 PM | #3 |
Immortal
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but was it BY KALEIDYSCOPE!?!?!?!
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11-09-2019, 07:47 PM | #4 |
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11-11-2019, 11:41 AM | #5 |
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Well, the Legendary Pink Dots had an album called The Terminal Kaleidosope so yes it appears Billy ripped the whole name idea from Edward Ka-Spel who probably would have sued if anyone actually gave a shit about Teargarden By Kaleidyscope.
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11-11-2019, 07:36 PM | #6 | |
Braindead
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it's hard for me to imagine Billy actually listening to The Dots though idk I just saw them live and they still got it |
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11-10-2019, 04:10 AM | #7 |
Minion of Satan
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"Teargarden" was the best possible name for describing the whole project.
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11-10-2019, 04:24 AM | #8 |
Minion of Satan
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The year 2010 called, it wants its thread back. Thnx.
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11-10-2019, 04:35 AM | #9 | |
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11-11-2019, 05:21 AM | #10 |
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Interesting to read that again after all that time. Song For a Son came out on 8th December 2009, so it was already a month past the original projected dates.
With the exception of maybe Astral Planes, nothing on TG sounded like the "original psychedelic" SP. It really would've been better as a solo project. |
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11-11-2019, 11:32 AM | #11 |
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11-11-2019, 12:33 PM | #12 | |
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Oceania is a form of SP, though decent enough. Zeitgeist... hmm. From a recorded point of view, it's as SP as Siamese Dream is. So maybe. TGBK and Monuments should've been solo. Though Monuments is better than Shiny. American Gothic should also have been solo. Really, I'd love all of Billy's post 2000 work if he sang like he used to do on the recordings. |
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11-11-2019, 06:06 AM | #13 |
Braindead
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this is more "psychedelic" too
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11-11-2019, 08:25 AM | #14 |
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I already have 53 songs written for the record, so I am quite confident that I already have much of the material that I would need to undertake such an extensive project. I am very committed to seeing this album through to its completion and very, very excited about the prospect of delivering new Smashing Pumpkins music to you in a unique and exciting way.
this is what I keep in mind when he makes promises |
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11-11-2019, 10:32 AM | #15 |
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Well how many of the 53 did we get, if we count Oceania and Monuments (and some of Shiny)?
TGBK: 12 Oceania: 13 Monuments: 9 Some of Shiny: Solara / Marchin' On So that's about 36 songs, plus whatever else was leftover from Day 4 Night. If it was to be 44 songs, then he nearly got there. Anything else? Was Jesus Needs a Hit a TGBK song? |
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11-13-2019, 05:16 PM | #16 | |
Minion of Satan
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This was the original Teargarden: https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-...os_Angeles,_CA Fast forward two years, Corgan got bored of this and wanted to do a stand-alone album with the new Jeff/Mikey/Nicole line-up and wrote mostly new songs for it. To justify it's existence and not seem like he was abandoning Teargarden (which he was, since Teargarden was already written in it's entirety in 2009), he backtracked and called it an "album within an album". Then this trend continued on and on with the following Monuments and Day For Night. If you want to count those unrelated projects as Teargarden, that's fine. But the reality is, based on everything the dude has said, Teargarden, conceptually, was a specific set of songs. Then Oceania was a different concept. Then Monuments and Day For Night were different concepts. Either this is a ridiculous con that people are feeding into, or that says a lot about the quality of 3/4ths of the original 2009 material if it needed to be replaced with Oceania and such. |
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11-13-2019, 06:14 PM | #17 | |
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I remember when Monte used to post and get supper defensive when someone tried to bring this kind of logic to the conversation. Technically, they're all Corgan's songs. He could call Siamese Dream part of Teargarden if he wanted to, but it does not change the fact that the existence of the project was based on the delivery of the songs just as much as the songs themselves. Hell, I will even give Corgan benefit of the doubt and say Oceania could be considered part of Teargarden, since I can see those songs as an outgrowth of the TbK songs, but to call Monuments to an Elegy part of it was absurd, and Corgan even admitted as much in interviews around the time. |
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11-13-2019, 06:19 PM | #18 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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why is that dude pointing at the christmas tree tho
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11-13-2019, 06:29 PM | #19 |
Janis Jopleybird
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What I'd like to know is why the image of someone clearly standing with a tree behind him, Took is flipped (see the logo)
When Teargarden was announced, I made a thread trying to explain the title, and God help me — o, God forgive me! — I cannot remember if I was serious |
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11-11-2019, 11:34 AM | #20 |
Socialphobic
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which i suppose is what should be expected from a dude saying he realized he could easily go solo after the band's second album
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11-11-2019, 12:40 PM | #21 |
Socialphobic
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you started off a post with "nah" then went on to pretty much confirm my point
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11-11-2019, 06:15 PM | #22 |
Braindead
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"the music of 'Teargarden by Kaleidyscope' will be available for free to everyone. All 44 songs: free for ALL."
Maybe that's why he's shied away from promoting Oceania and Monuments as part of TbK. There's not enough money to be made from free shitty music and golden obelisks. |
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11-11-2019, 07:48 PM | #23 |
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11-11-2019, 07:52 PM | #24 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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tookish!
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11-11-2019, 09:06 PM | #25 |
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Beergarten by Heinekenscope
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11-11-2019, 09:26 PM | #26 |
Braindead
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Bill Patrick Morgan is absolute GENIUS !!! GENIUS!!! DID I SAY GENIUS!!!!! i mean just listen to this lush harmonies, Spaces, Bill does not just show off fire works how fast I can play and how many chords I can fit into one beat. He just does it when he needs it. (Bach was best at that!, I love him just as much as Bill.) Bill is one of my favorite pianist Along with Keith Jarret, Thelonious Monk, Glenn Gould, from the beginning of my pianist career starting at age 18. For years I listened to him but at my early stages when I was tone deaf I loved to listen to him, but it was to much for my musical mind, after a while it was so overwhelming especially when I was trying to analyze it. I would just get tired and had to go listen to something else. Now that I can hear relative pitch well, it is absolute joy to listen to this REMARKABLE GENIUS OF THE 20 CENTURY. Did I say Genius again!? To me this are not just harmonies for the sake of harmonies this are necessary harmonies intensities and silences for breathing spaces to create paintings and atmospheres of very discreet place that really is the monumental moment of creation of what jazz image became. This are not just harmonies, these are paintings in 4 D time and space. Photos like the one from the movie Blade Runner. When Harrison Ford picks up the photo as Rachel left. And you can see in the photo, her mother and Rachel in motion on the photo. Very Poignant moment with the smokey, dirty, kitchen background. I miss Scott LaFarro on the Bass. Bill never recovered from this! His heroin was probably partly responsible for Bill to escape the pain he suffered loosing a friend, Colleague, and most importantly the Artist. But the crew is professional I know these cats not by name of course, but I would listen for study analysis and transcription with one of the most brilliant teachers on harmonies and specializing in Bill Evans Harmonies in Bay Area Don Hass They definitely have achieved enhancement of Bills Impressionistic painting in music. If I am not mistaken Bill was a classically trained pianist like myself before becoming Jazz pianist and French Impressionism especially Ravel was his delight. Even thou I don't want to be like Bill, thou I want to be influenced by him. I bow to the Genius! Electronic Music Composer and Pianist ObeeLektro.
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11-11-2019, 09:27 PM | #27 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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you know there's a new alcest album, right?
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11-12-2019, 07:12 AM | #28 |
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11-12-2019, 10:01 AM | #29 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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11-12-2019, 12:39 PM | #30 |
Braindead
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