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Old 05-18-2017, 07:22 PM   #91
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Go towards the light


oooh...no. The light is the trick, stay away. If some folks appear as your relatives, do not take their offer of going into the light. You can't be forced, its a choice. You could be tricked into making the decision, but you're just gonna reincarnate back here, not ascend.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:22 PM   #92
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A couple of days and a harrowing plane flight later, the band makes it to a resort town called Surfer's Paradise, which is more or less the Miami Beach of Australia, a skinny coastal town about an hour south of Brisbane, pounded by waves and plagued with jellyfish, crowded with high-rise hotels popular with JApanese honeymooners. Surfer's Paradise is the jumping-off point for the Big Day Out tour, a sort of Australian Lollapalooza that Soundgarden will headline this year. In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

"I'm thinking of making my next album really new wave," Corgan says, "like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen."

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn't buying. He's sore.

"Don't you see," Thayil says, "you're this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don't need all this...stuff."

"What sign are you?" Corgan asks.

"What do you mean, what sign am I?" Thayil says. "What difference could that possibly make?"

"C'mon," wheedles Corgan, "when is your birthday?"

"All right, goddamn it: September 4th."

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil's heart: "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back."

Thayil explodes: "What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?"

"But I hate it," Corgan says, "it means they don't think I'm the cute one."

"Ooh," Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, "I'll bet he's going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him."

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart." The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

Matt Cameron is a little astounded. "Kim should rent himself out as a tour shrink," he says.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:28 PM   #93
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people don't have some kind of threshold in their brains where their 90s nostalgia must be satiated at any cost

related: you don't necessarily have to get more by taking it from someone else
Nostalgia is the biggest selling point there is for touring artists. There's a whole generation of people who look at generation X fondly and now there's only 2 of the big bands left... That's a major selling point for the concert going audience.

And who said anything about taking from someone else? It's just happenstance that happens to greatly benefit Corgan's stupid ole brand

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:40 PM   #94
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oooh...no. The light is the trick, stay away. If some folks appear as your relatives, do not take their offer of going into the light. You can't be forced, its a choice. You could be tricked into making the decision, but you're just gonna reincarnate back here, not ascend.
oh now you tell me


 
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:50 PM   #95
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Nostalgia is the biggest selling point there is for touring artists. There's a whole generation of people who look at generation X fondly and now there's only 2 of the big bands left... That's a major selling point for the concert going audience.

And who said anything about taking from someone else? It's just happenstance that happens to greatly benefit Corgan's stupid ole brand


Yeah, I kinda think it's just Billy and Eddie V left now too...but away from the 'grunge' scene and into the more general alt-era of those early years, there's still the Chili Peppers, Weezer, even Jane's Addiction I suppose.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:01 PM   #96
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Yeah that's true. But the early 90's to me was represented by the dark, depressing type of music and to think that they're nearly all gone now really sucks ass. Even Pearl Jam was the more upbeat of the grunge bands and Corgans all about the happy go lucky shit now... It just sucks. No chance to really experience that music anymore. It's the worst for the younger kids coming up. At least we got to see these bands live and shit.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:03 PM   #97
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Roddenberry...pilot episode, "The Cage". He made a parable of it.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:47 PM   #98
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None of these "grunge icons" ever meant anything to me. Never got into any of it, I guess.

Sad for his fam i guess

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:16 PM   #99
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Music is just a T-shirt for Elphenor to wear to make him look cool. He can't discuss it intelligently. That's why every time a thread like "What are your favorite albums of all-time?" comes around, all he does is sit on the sidelines and snipe at people for their choices, without once offering a list of his own.

The ultimate poser and he doesn't even know it.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:17 PM   #100
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:19 PM   #101
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I actually rented that concert release once... Man, it was terrible. Hard to fathom why they'd even bother releasing such a turd.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:20 PM   #102
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I will be fuzzy K

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:29 PM   #103
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Music is just a T-shirt for Elphenor to wear to make him look cool. He can't discuss it intelligently. That's why every time a thread like "What are your favorite albums of all-time?" comes around, all he does is sit on the sidelines and snipe at people for their choices, without once offering a list of his own.

The ultimate poser and he doesn't even know it.
How about you go fuck yourself

You like this bullshit because you listened to it in high school

Nothing wrong with that, but don't throw a fit when someone disconnected from your nostalgia isn't into it

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:30 PM   #104
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LOL

Yeah, that's about the stock response I expected.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:30 PM   #105
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I wonder if it was autoerotic asphyxiation

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:31 PM   #106
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run2me already proposed that

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:34 PM   #107
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I wonder if it was autoerotic asphyxiation
What, Elph? No, he's always like that. Probably his dad's been ragging on him to take out the garbage again. I wouldn't worry about it.

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:40 PM   #108
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How about you go fuck yourself

You like this bullshit because you listened to it in high school

Nothing wrong with that, but don't throw a fit when someone disconnected from your nostalgia isn't into it
clownish pretentiousness

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:43 PM   #109
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I know elph comes across as a bit of a music snob sometimes, but he's got high artistic standards. This isn't exactly a bad thing guys. It's the kind of focus you need if you wanna become a successful musician.

 
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How about you go fuck yourself

You like this bullshit because you listened to it in high school

Nothing wrong with that, but don't throw a fit when someone disconnected from your nostalgia isn't into it
OR you could just say R.I.P. or not say anything at all. Making a stupid comment about him being overrated and offering nothing of substance is absolutely useless. I mean, you don't even come with anything witty.

 
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I know elph comes across as a bit of a music snob sometimes, but he's got high artistic standards. This isn't exactly a bad thing guys. It's the kind of focus you need if you wanna become a successful musician.

 
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fuzzy is the chicken, Elph is the cat

 
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I mean, he knows what he likes and has his standards for it when he goes about finding music to listen to.

I used to be the same way when music was really important to me.

 
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OR you could just say R.I.P. or not say anything at all. Making a stupid comment about him being overrated and offering nothing of substance is absolutely useless. I mean, you don't even come with anything witty.
I feel I'm entitled to expressing my opinion without you taking it personally

And I did say "well rip anyway"

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:51 PM   #115
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I know elph comes across as a bit of a music snob sometimes, but he's got high artistic standards. This isn't exactly a bad thing guys. It's the kind of focus you need if you wanna become a successful musician.
what are "high artistic standards"

taste is a completely subjective judgement

 
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I just find it ironic that you're the one to throw around this T-shirt mentality when nobody takes their music more personally than you

Re: Globes

 
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I mean, he knows what he likes and has his standards for it when he goes about finding music to listen to.

I used to be the same way when music was really important to me.
I was like this until I was like 21 and I realized I was acting like an asshole

 
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:55 PM   #118
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I feel I'm entitled to expressing my opinion without you taking it personally

And I did say "well rip anyway"
You're entitled to say whatever you want, I'm entitled to react however I want. That's how this whole thing works.

It's like in the Bill Paxton thread where you're all "Who?" Like, what's the use in being such a useless dick about these things? I get it. You don't like Soundgarden. Cool. You never saw Aliens. Cool. But why comment on shit you have no relevant perspective on? A singer for a band I have enjoyed most of my life killed himself for reasons we may never know. I reserve the right to lash out at you for being a dick about it.

 
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I just find it ironic that you're the one to throw around this T-shirt mentality when nobody takes their music more personally than you

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It's true; I even have the 3EB tramp stamp to prove it.

 
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Yeah but only you make it this personal tirade

Soundgarden is like the equivalent to me as whatever inoffensive music your Dad likes nothing personal

 
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