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Old 03-19-2017, 09:05 PM   #31
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i thought everyone agreed by now that charts are basically total bullshit in terms of quality or merit

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:06 PM   #32
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i thought everyone agreed by now that charts are basically total bullshit in terms of quality or merit
Even if that is the case it doesn't change the fact that Bowie's being open to collaboration improved the quality of his music without hurting his ego or artistic merit.

Besides, if Billy somehow wrote a number one hit we'd never hear the end of it from him. All of a sudden the charts wouldn't be such bullshit after that according to him.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:15 PM   #33
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I think Corgan has written #1 hits in the 90's. Right? I could be wrong, but something had to have reached #1.
Not on the Billboard Hot 100, the singles chart that actually matters.

SP only has had four top 40 singles, of which the highest charting song was "1979" which peaked at #12.

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:19 PM   #34
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Well who really gives a shit? The Spice Girls were probably #1 at that time because people are idiots.
Lol.

My point was really that Bowie's output was greater than Billy's. That's all. :P

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:16 PM   #35
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He's actually about as prolific as David Bowie and as experimental, but I guess he isn't having a Madison Square Garden 50th birthday concert because he's been an arrogant dickhead a bit too much.

So he gets a bunch of hangers-on and d-listers giving him a shitty cake.
Not a shitty cake, a FISHY one:

"The Piscean Dream"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRxZ9h5lBZs/

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:31 PM   #36
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sasha grey on bass for the reunion
She could easily top D'arcy in her stage outfits:

https://www.vice.com/fr/article/fash...estrained-v2n5

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:18 PM   #37
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So was D'arcy there or nah

I'm guessing nah

 
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:25 PM   #38
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Quantity ≠ Quality
And Bowie was a far better lyricist than Billy could ever hope to be. Bowie's worst lyric is better than Billy's best lyric (if there even is such a thing). And finally, at least Bowie was open to collaboration, even co-writing a number one hit with John Lennon (and Carlos Alomar) with "Fame".

Q: How many number one hits has Billy (co)written?

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Sorry but I disagree. Billy has written many more good songs than Bowie did. Bowie was a singles artist at best who released extremely inconsistent albums (aside from his initial run in the early to mid 70's) and his output was almost total shit from 1980-1994. Lyrically, Billy has written some great stuff, Bowie wrote some great stuff. Both also wrote shit lyrics at times. It's a wash.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:47 AM   #39
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Sorry but I disagree. Billy has written many more good songs than Bowie did. Bowie was a singles artist at best who released extremely inconsistent albums (aside from his initial run in the early to mid 70's) and his output was almost total shit from 1980-1994. Lyrically, Billy has written some great stuff, Bowie wrote some great stuff. Both also wrote shit lyrics at times. It's a wash.
Sorry, that statement's just comical.

Bowie might be hit or miss, but Billy's always been one of rock's worst lyricists.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:39 AM   #40
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I dunno, he's no Woody Guthrie or Thurston Moore but worst rock lyricist is a pretty big call

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:51 AM   #41
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Billy's always been one of rock's worst lyricists.
I'd agree with his post reunion material being horrid at best but he's wrote some truly powerful lyrics in his prime.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:18 AM   #42
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I'd agree with his post reunion material being horrid at best but he's wrote some truly powerful lyrics in his prime.
Idk... I think that there's a nostalgia factor or something in people wanting to defend his pre-reunion lyrics. Analyzing his early stuff it doesn't really hold water. There are certainly moments here and there, but as a whole during any period Billy's lyrical prowess has been suspect at best and horrid at worst.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:29 AM   #43
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i'm pretty sure jelly blossom can't make a post without mentioning somewhere within it that billy's lyrics are shit

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:23 PM   #44
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Even at his lowest shittiest points Bowie was filling stadiums and arenas.

It's kinda shocking how Billy can't even bring in nostalgia crowds.

Hell Def Leppard and Heart draw a bigger a crowd.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:43 PM   #45
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He's actually about as prolific as David Bowie and as experimental, but I guess he isn't having a Madison Square Garden 50th birthday concert because he's been an arrogant dickhead a bit too much.

So he gets a bunch of hangers-on and d-listers giving him a shitty cake.
eeeyup.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:52 PM   #46
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what about beethoven?

Beethoven X Billy Corgan, who had more number 1 hits?

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:59 PM   #47
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what about beethoven?

Beethoven X Billy Corgan, who had more number 1 hits?
That's easy: Beethoven

A disco rendition of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony titled "A Fifth of Beethoven" reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1976.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fifth_of_Beethoven

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:35 PM   #48
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Charts Billboard 200

1
Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness
2
Zeitgeist
2
Adore
3
Machina/The Machines Of God
4
Oceania
4
Pisces Iscariot
10
Siamese Dream
31
{Rotten Apples} Greatest Hits
33
Monuments To An Elegy


alternate song
1
1979
2
Tarantula
2
Stand Inside Your Love
2
Thirty-Three
2
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
3
Perfect
3
Ava Adore
3
Landslide
4
The Everlasting Gaze
4
The End Is The Beginning Is The End
4
Today
5
Tonight, Tonight
7
Cherub Rock
8
Eye
8
Muzzle
8
Disarm
9
Zero
11
G.L.O.W.
23
That's The Way (My Love Is)
24
Drown
27
Freak
27
Rhinoceros
29
The Celestials


thats not so bad




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Old 03-20-2017, 06:57 PM   #49
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goddamn Sasha's still hot.

I bet airplane mode was happy she was invited.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:30 PM   #50
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I dunno, he's no Woody Guthrie or Thurston Moore but worst rock lyricist is a pretty big call
A ton of Billy's lyrics have aged absolutely awfully, but he's still at least better or on par with Adam Duritz and Ed Kowalczyk... Nowhere near Creed or Nickelback levels of terribleness.

 
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:57 PM   #51
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goddamn Sasha's still hot.

I bet airplane mode was happy she was invited.
This

 
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:30 AM   #52
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I don't normally care to read into things like this, but, where the hell was Jimmy?

 
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:16 AM   #53
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I don't normally care to read into things like this, but, where the hell was Jimmy?
Yeah

I think he wasn't in LAish?

 
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:44 AM   #54
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goddamn Sasha's still hot.

I bet airplane mode was happy she was invited.
sasha still has porn star eyebrows and is starting to look old before her time. I don't know much about airplane but I doubt she's threatened at all by someone who has a "pussy n ass" toy bearing her name

 
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:42 AM   #55
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I don't normally care to read into things like this, but, where the hell was Jimmy?
I hear ya. I got all TMZ-y on looking thru photos of the party. The lack of Jimmy was downright confusing to me.

Also odd - while obviously of far less true consequence - is the lack of Jeff.

Saw that Ginger Reyes was there, that's kinda neat.

Again: where did the Darcy was there rumor originate from?

 
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:34 AM   #56
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Yeah

I think he wasn't in LAish?

The day before JIMMY CHAMBERLIN was in Northbrook/Ilinois, giving drum lessons at a school.





And on Billy's birthday he gave birthday wishes to a "Freddy"...:



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Old 03-21-2017, 04:42 AM   #57
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THe day before JIMMY CHAMBERLIN was in Northbrook/Ilinois, giving drum lessons at a school.



https://twitter.com/jccomplex/status/842395945115496448


And on Billy's birthday he gave birthday wishes to a "Freddy"...:

https://twitter.com/jccomplex/status/842763133492039680


...weird.



 
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:17 AM   #58
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And Bowie was a far better lyricist than Billy could ever hope to be. Bowie's worst lyric is better than Billy's best lyric (if there even is such a thing). And finally, at least Bowie was open to collaboration, even co-writing a number one hit with John Lennon (and Carlos Alomar) with "Fame".

Q: How many number one hits has Billy (co)written? (V3ry impotent question!!1!)

Sometimes you have to recognize opportunities when they're there. That's what Bowie did.

Look at all the number one hits the Beatles had all of which (except for "Something") were listed as Lennon/McCartney co-writes. Does that diminish either of their respective contributions? Or make either less of a recognized songwriter?
Right... Because the only/proper way to judge whether an artist is good or not is if they've had a HiT SoNg In Da ChArTz... Obviously... Let's Dance..

 
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I'm saying it's better for your career to have been a part of a number one hit than not to.
Obviously..
I hear that Nicki Minaj's Pink Friday made the #1 spot. Must be due to pure artistic talent right..

Better to be a #hashtag No.1 JLo + Iggy Azalea schlock fest than anything less than the best of life.

 
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On mobile.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlv9-X3owjk

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