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Old 06-25-2014, 04:50 AM   #91
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off topic, but now that we're talking ignoffo tape, spfreaks did a little interview with mark ignoffo recently: http://spfreaks.wordpress.com/2014/0...hing-pumpkins/

 
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Old 06-25-2014, 05:05 AM   #92
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This is the best Moon Demo source
http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/details.php?id=46746

The bmaromar source but speed corrected
Thanks. I think we are looking for rips of the official release in addition to this, as per Shallowed's suggestion.

 
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Old 06-25-2014, 05:07 AM   #93
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off topic, but now that we're talking ignoffo tape, spfreaks did a little interview with mark ignoffo recently: http://spfreaks.wordpress.com/2014/0...hing-pumpkins/
Interesting read.

 
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Old 06-25-2014, 05:15 AM   #94
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ah, wait, no. i don't have the cds. i have the shn files that were shared on the hub and stuff.
Starseed indicated that he thinks that SHNs shared on the hub were used to burn CDs for the RTS tree. I don't know if these are the same as what you have. I also have SHNs but the lineage in the info files are awful/non-existent.

 
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info files, for what it's worth.
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3 Songs O' Rarities
Vid-?>CDR-?>WAV>FLAC

01 - My Eternity (1988.xx.xx) <-- Possible studio demo
02 - She (unknown)
03 - My Dahlia (rehearsal) <-- Apparently from 1988

notes: Ripped from a CD that I had laying around. Apparently, these are sourced from a video called 25 songs o' pumpkins.
In My Dahlia, you can hear billy say "Where's Ron?" Possibly Ron Roesing?????
Enjoy it!
Quote:
PRO >VID2 >CDR

70m

3-2/3-95 Chicago, IL

1) Mellon Collie + The Infinite Sadness
2) The Viper
3) -funky jam-
4) Tribute To Johnny
5) Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
6) Rachel/XYU
7) Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (w/Billy bullshiting lyrics)
8) V-8
9) Rachel/XYU
10) The Black Rider>Die
11) USA
12) Zero
13) -blank-
14) The Boy
15) -talking-
16) -joke song-
17) -tuning/messing around-
18) -talking-
19) Zero (jokey blues version - "the zero strut")
20) -drum fixing- Where Boys Fear To Tread (tease)
21) -more drums-
22) USA
23) Cupid De Locke
24) USA
25) -talking-
26) -talking-
27) -talking-
28) Zero
29) -talking-
30) Zero
31) Zero
32) -talking-
33) -talking-
34) -talking - The Captain & Tenille, the government's experimentation with sound, and Flood's american slang.

Notes: Audio from a video shot by an MTV camera during the initial recording run-throughs
of MCIS with Flood over 2 days. From what i've heard the camera man was fired and took the tapes
he shot with them, hence this got out. Testing out the practice space, mostly jamming and run-throughs.
Recording portions of Zero so Flood can see how the room sounds. Quite neat...to me anyway.

Flaws: Pops and static from video occasionally.
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title: adore demos
cds: 1
length: 42 min
quality: 10

tracks of this copy:

01: the other side (for martha instrumental)
02: chewing gum
03: the tale of dusty and pistol pete
04: annie dog
05: once in a while
06: do you close your eyes
07: my mistake
08: i need you around (blissed and gone)
09: batman 1 (the end is the beginning is the end)
10: batman 2 (the beginning is the end is the beginning)

A collection of Adore-era demos, which first popped up on ebay in late Jan/early Feb 2000.
Track 1 is labeled 'The Other Side'.
Track 4 is the same as the album version.
Track 8 is labeled 'I Need You Around'.
Tracks 9 and 10 are labeled 'Batman take 1' and 'Batman take 2'.

info (c) by spfc.org
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The Smashing Pumpkins
Adore B-sides

SIDE ONE (TATAAA)
01 Lover
02 Let Me Give The World To You
03 Because You Are
04 Satellites
05 Without You
06 Joy
07 Blissed And Gone
08 Saturnine
09 Cross [cut]

SIDE TWO (UAG)
01 Winterlong
02 Soot And Stars
03 Chewing Gum
04 Do You Close Your Eyes
05 My Mistake
06 Jersey Shore
07 Valentine
08 Waiting [cut]

PAu-1-699-154 05-01-2004 05:46 AM
Some songs no one (to my knowledge) knows about:

Satellites
Without You
Joy
Cross (not the one on the SPFC)
Jersey Shore
Valentine



Satellites
---------------
Me and her
We get around
Never see much
Staring hard
Into the ground
Electricity for love

You know it's the end of all
You know this is the end
It's what you've been waiting for
Like a long lost friend
Attached by satellites
Attached by satellites
Attached by satellites
It's a long way down

You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven
You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven
You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven
You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven

Me and her
Get around
We always rock the bus
Each a tube inside the ground
Electricity for love

You know this is the end
You know it's the end
It's what you've been waiting for
Like a long lost friend
Attached by satellites
Attached by satellites
Attached by satellites
Satellites
It's a long way down

You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven
You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven
You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven
You're an angel
I don't wanna go to heaven


Without You
------------------
We're tamed to be
The bumble bee
We're tamed to please
Our deep blue seas
The gin wheeze of everything

Without you
Within you
Beside you
Fell into
A bad dream
Without you
Without you

Let's aim to see
The deep blue sky
Let's aim to squeeze
The last drops out of life

Without you
Within you
Beside you
Fell into
The worst dream
Without you
Without you


Joy
-----------
I feel joy
I feel just
Like a boy
And now I
PLay with my toys

Nothing's really changed
I don't feel sad
you know I
Don't feel mad for my age
I'm happy just being

Someone just like me
In a way you will be
Any way in the world throws me down now
Now, world throws me right on down
and the world spills me right on down
world drains me right on down and

I feel joy
I feel just
Like a boy
And now I
Play with my noise
Nothing's really changed

I feel joy
I feel such
Happy joy
As a child I
Owned the noise
Nothing's smashing down

Happy just to be alive
Happy just to survive
Blows the tragedy down
World blows me right on down
World drains me right on down
World spills me right on down
And
Right on down and


Cross (yet another Cross...heh)
---------------------------------

Climb a cross
A sea-filled cross
Climb above
The still water

Desperate to
Seek to way
Earn your chance
With golden harvest

Find my hand pressing in
Meant no feeling in
Just the distance calling
It's distance calling
It's distance calling

There is no wanting
There's no way across
There is no wanting and can't go on
In a world you'd understand
This is your moment
In a world of being
Shoulda been dead, left for dead
This distance calling
This distance calling
This distance calling

(cuts off early)


Jersey Shore
----------------

On the Jersey shore
Spend all our dimes
I was getting change
Back of my mind

Shooting blanks
In Jerseytown
We tunnelled in
Manhattan-bound

What can we do?
There's life here for me
With a sweet young thing
And a cool, cool breeze

To the smokestack chime
We carry forth
Cinder child
And nights we forced

They are saints hovering
The last soul is carried
Let him go on a riverbed
God rest your soul
God rest this town

What shall we do?
There's life yet for me
With a sweet young thing
And a cool, cool breeze
Say a prayer for me

In the pinball din
Done with glow
Dream the Jersey shore
We kiss in here

I'm the Jersey shore
It's where I died
Hat in hand
My eyes to the sky


Valentine
---------------

Let the horses run
You're deserting me
Catch the thread-bare strains
Of departing trains
Bound for the last goodbyes
Yet thought you'd think you'd know

You're sure you did your care
She was always there
For you to kick around
But now she's let you down
Now she's gone to stay
With the frost and pray
If God could hear her prayers
Would he care?

Valentine, heart of mine
Come and ease my worried mind
It's plain to see
I'm not so free
Valentine, heart of mine

And from a window
You spy her ghost
Laughing ground
And taking notes

It seemed to so easy
To put it down
And leave the wreckage
For someone else

Valentine, heart of mine
Take this blood
This broken vine
It's plain to see
I ain't so free
Valentine, heart of mine

You smell of hair
Everywhere you go
You see her lips
Where you're leaving notes

Oh, Valentine
She's never 'round
Leaves you cold to
Have and hold

Valentine, heart of mine
Come and ease my worried mind
It's plain to see
I'm not so free
Valentine, heart of mine.
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Billy's Gravity Demos

(non-commercial)

Disc 1:

01. Jellybelly
02. Ugly (Beautiful One)
03. Bullet with Butterfly Wings (w/ raw/early vox)
04. Weeping Willowly (No Escape)
05. To Forgive (To Forgive For Nothing Less)
06. Blast
07. Mouths of Babes (Descendo)
08. Pennies (And I Stumbled Onto You)
09. Dizzle
10. A/Ab/E/B/F#
11. Rings
12. So So Pretty (James' Complex Song)
13. With Longing
14. Love (Straight Ab)
15. Set the Ray to Jerry

Disc 2:

01. Galapogos (The Innocents)
02. Speed (A Drone)
03. Lucky Lad (Busy Downtune Bb/G)
04. Jackboot
05. New Wave A to G
06. A/B/G Drop A
07. Marquis in Spades (Glamey Glamay)
08. Walking Country
09. Tonight, Tonight
10. The Groover
11. Germans in Leather Pants (New Wave Echo)
12. Millieu (Pretty Drop A)
13. E-drone E/C#/A
14. The Aeroplane Flies High (Disconnected)

Label: (none)
ID: -
Track info: Disc 1:
Tracks 1-15: 1994 - Gravity Studios - studio, electric
Disc 2:
Tracks 1-14: 1994 - Gravity Studios - studio, electric
All tracks electric & instrumental, except Bullet with Butterfly Wings.

From a 100m cassette, given by BC to an online fan in April 2000 with instructions to "circulate these". Originally, it was supposed to be a 90m cassette with more recent material, but he screwed up the tape somehow, & dug this one out instead.
Quote:
01. Glass' Theme
02. The Everlasting Gaze (Disco King)
03. Dross
04. Blue Skies Bring Tears (Arising! version)
05. If There Is a God
06. Le Deux Machina (Mike Garson version)
07. Heavy Metal Machine (Version I)
08. Here's to the Atom Bomb (cut)
09. Real Love
10. Money (That's What I Want) [Strong]
11. X.Y.U.
12. Once Upon a Time
13. Crestfallen
14. (untitled SD-era instr) (cut)




Label: (none)
ID: -
Track info: Tracks 1-9: Nov 1998 - Oct 1999 - Chicago Recording Company - studio, electric
Tracks 10-11: 1998/10/31 - Dodger Stadium; Los Angeles, CA, US - soundboard, electric
Tracks 12-14: (unknown) - studio demos

Length: ~62:00


http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=165



BONUSTRACK: Black Oblivion...
Quote:
The Smashing Pumpkins
xx-xx-88 "The Ignoffo Tape"

Source: STU>ANA-2>DATM
Conversion: Technics tape deck>DAT>DAT2WAV
Encode: wav's>FLAC

**************************************************
THIS SHOW IS NOT TO BE MP3-ENCODED
**************************************************

Disc 1
01. I Am One (4:19)
02. Bury Me (4:14)
03. Daydream (1:53)
04. Not Worth Asking (4:00)
05. Honeyspider (2:25)
06. Rhinoceros (5:25)
07. Snap (3:32)
08. Love (3:35)
09. C'mon (4:54)
10. Under Your Spell (3:56)
11. Jennifer Ever [Click Track] (3:32)
12. There It Goes [Cut] (4:23)

Disc 2:
01. There It Goes (5:36)
02. She (3:52)
03. My Eternity (5:55)
04. Oui Henri (5:07)
05. Spiteface (4:26)
06. Nothing and Everything (6:27)
07. Cinnamon Girl (2:37)
08. Time Has Come Today (4:05)
09. My Dahlia (3:41)
BONUS FILLER:
10. My Dahlia [Rehearsal] (4:17)
11. The Crystal Ship (2:47)
12. I Fall (5:58)

Notes:

D1:
T12: Cut as per master

D2:
T1-3,5-6: 10/05/88 - Metro; Chicago, IL, US (slight analog noise in T1)
T4:11/23/88 - Metro; Chicago, IL, US [AUD>Reel2Reel>ANA-1>DAT-M]
T7,9: 1989 - Reel Time Studios
T8: 11/20/88 Last Exit, Chicago, IL [AUD>Reel2Reel>ANA-1>DAT-M]
T10-11: From "The Psycho Tape," an unseeded compilation of early Pumpkins material. Consider this a tease.
T12: 1988: Billy's Father's Home Studio [STU>ANA-2>FLAC]
* note how d2t05 isn't "oui henri", it is "bleed". but this is how it was originally shared. (the file is also called "oui henri".)

Quote:
SMASHING PUMPKINS
1993
Kitty Kat (original mix)
Studio
Virgin promo cassette > CDR > EAC > Wav > Flac

Set list:

1. Kitty Kat (Original Mix) 4:30

This song was originally intended to be on the Pumpkins' 1993 album Siamese Dream, but it was pulled at the last minute. This song comes from a promo cassette distributed before the album's release. The mix is different from the later release of the song under the title "Hello Kitty Kat" on the "Today" single; the vocals are not distorted on this version.

The actual title of the song on the promo cassette was "Kitty Kat".

I received this in a trade back in 1995 from a guy who owned the cassette. Unfortunately, his cassette had become partially demagnetized, so the first 1:30 of the song suffers from an annoying whooshing/phasing. I have never found anyone with another copy of this, so as annoying as that "whooshing" may be, it's the best available copy.


************************************************** **
Feel free to encode this to MP3, upload to Porntube,
sing it in the shower, whatever.
************************************************** **
Quote:
title: machina acoustic demos
cds: 1
length: 46 min
quality: 9

tracks and flaws of this copy:

01: if there is a god
02: blue skies bring tears
03: wound (if you wait)
04: les deux ex machina
05: vanity
06: glass & the ghost children
01:38 - skip (on all circulating copies)
07: autumn
08: drain
09: laugh
10: here i am
11: lover
12: let me give the world to you
01:45 - tape flub (on all circulating copies)
13: blue skies bring tears
02:31 - tiny click
14: speed kills
cut at the end (all circulating copies)

note:

every flaw which is stated as "tiny" is nearly inaudible. i heard them only while really listening for them with my headphones on from the stereo, so you would most likely not hear them when listening in any other way.
Quote:
Mashed Potatoes - 1994
CD > WAV > SHN


CD 1:

Happy Fucking Valentines
Tristessa (live 92)
There It Goes (demo 88)
With You (demo 89)
Jesus Loves His Babies (outtake 91)
Stray Cat Blues [Rolling Stones] (live 90)
Snail (radio 91)
Bob Speaks
Window Paine (live 90)
Wave Song (demo 91)
Blue (acoustic 91)
Lie I Lie (live 89)
My Eternity (radio 88)
Jesus Is the Sun (demo 90)
Sookie Sookie [Steppenwolf] (live 90)


CD 2:

Slunk (live 92)
Rocket (live 93)
Under Your Spell (demo 88)
Honeyspider (live 90)
STP (demo 91)
Snap (demo 89)
Rhinoceros (live 93)
Let's Meet the Band
Bleed (live 88)
Opal (live 90)
Worship (live 90)
Drown (live 92)
Fat Man Blues (live 89)
Try to Try (live 90)
Venus in Furs [Velvet Underground] (radio 88)
WNUR interview (radio 88)


CD 3:

And from the West Side...
Girl Named Sandoz [Animals] (live 92)
365 (live 90)
Spaceboy (outtake 93)
The Joker [Steve Miller] (live 92)
Suffer (live 92)
Coming Attractions
Egg (demo 89)
Bury Me (live 92)
Moleasskiss (demo 92)
I Am My End (live 90)
My Dahlia (demo 88)
Vanilla (demo 89)
East (demo 88)
Kill Your Parents
Terrapin [Syd Barrett] (live 91)
Cinder (live 91)
Luna (acoustic 91)


CD 4:

Interview Nozems a Go-Go
Morning Jam (live 90)
I'm Free [Who] (live 90)
Jennifer Ever (demo 88)
Plume (live 92)
Disarm (live 93)
Siva (live 92)
Translucent (demo 90)
Not Worth Asking (live 89)
Over You (live 90)
Where's Vince? (outtake 93)
Smiley (acoustic 91)
Geek U.S.A. (live 93)
Crush (live 92)
C'mon (live 90)


CD 5:

Hello Kitty Kat (demo 92)
Nothing and Everything (demo 88)
Mayonaise (outtake 93)
Out of Focus [Blue Cheer] (live 92)
Offer Up (live 92)
Silverfuck (live 92)
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer [traditional] (live 93)
Stars Fall In (demo 89)
Godzilla [Blue Öyster Cult] (live 90)
Bye June (live 92)
Spiteface (demo 88)
Daydream (demo 89)
I'll Never Change (live 90)
Infinite Sadness (outtake 93)


Label: (none)

Track info:

Disc 1:
Track 04: 1989 - Reel Time Studios
Track 13: 1989/03/16 - WZRD-FM Studios; Chicago, IL, US
Track 01: 1992/02/14 - Astoria Theater; London, UK
Track 07: 1992/01/15 - VPRO Radio; Hilversum, NL
Track 03: 1988 - Billy's father's home studio
Track 05: 1990 Dec - 1991 Mar - Smart Studios (Gish recordings)
Track 10: 1991 - Chicago Demos [?]
Track 14: 1990 - Chicago Demos [?]
Disc 2:
Track 06: 1989 - Reel Time Studios
Track 13: 1989 - Reel Time Studios (acoustic session)
Track 15: 1989/03/16 - WZRD-FM Studios; Chicago, IL, US
Track 02: 1993/07/26 - Tower Records; Chicago, IL, US
Track 03: 1988 - Billy's father's home studio
Disc 3:
Track 08: 1989 - Reel Time Studios
Track 13: 1989 - Reel Time Studios (acoustic session)
Track 14: The Smashing Pumpkins (tape)
Track 12: Light Into Dark (compilation)
Track 10: 1992 Spring - Soundworks
Disc 4:
Track 04: The Smashing Pumpkins (tape)
Track 08: 1990 - Chicago Demos [?]
Disc 5:
Track 08: 1989 - Reel Time Stuidos
Track 12: 1989 - Reel Time Studios
Track 02: The Smashing Pumpkins (tape)
Track 11: The Smashing Pumpkins (tape)
Track 01: 1992 - Chicago Studio [?]
Track 03: 1992 Dec - 1993 Mar - Triclops Sound Studios
Track 14: 1992 Dec - 1993 Mar - Triclops Sound Studios

All parenthetical notes are Billy's.

Tracks without parenthetical notes are stage banter.
"Opal" and "Worship" are run together as one track.
"Slunk" is the "Chump" version, and is labeled as such.

Length:

CD 1.000000: 01:03:15
CD 2.000000: 01:03:19
CD 3.000000: 01:02:55
CD 4.000000: 01:02:17
CD 5.000000: 01:01:33


Several copies given to friends of the band by Billy around 1993-1994.
mcis demos II:
Quote:
ANA-L > DAT0 > CDR-0 > SHN (> CDR-1 when you burn it)
Quote:
MCIS Demos III - Demos for D'arcy
1994-09-xx
Studio > ANA-L > CDR

(01) Stumbleine
(02) Jupiter's Lament
(03) Lily (My One and Only).
(04) To Forgive
(05) Bullet With Butterfly Wings
(06) Here Is No Why
(07) Galapogos
(08) Frantic Ab Groove
(09) Feelium
(10) God
(11) Marquis In Spades
Quote:
MCIS Demos III (AKA Demos for D'arcy)

Restored by Max2Max 02/23/2007

Original notes (Thanks to the previous seeder, I don't remember his name...):
================================================== ==========================================

These demos were treed earlier this year as part of the Reel Time
Sessions tree. This rip is a lower generation than that which was treed.
It was copied onto DAT from the source tape and then transferred onto CD.
I've never heard the original treed version of this so I can't say how much better this sounds (if much at all).

01. Stumbleine
02. Jupiters Lament
03. Lilly (my one and Only)
04. To Forgive
05. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
06. Here is No Why
07. Galapogos
08. Frantic Ab Groove
09. Feelium
10. God
11. Marquis in Spades

================================================== ==========================================

* On MCIS Demos III - Demos for D'arcy 1994-09-xx Studio > ANA-L > CDR, noise reduction is used and not for the better IMHO, some tracks are i mono too.
* On this release, no noise reduction, EQ or compression. Only pitch and volume correction with sound forge.
* All tracks except 9 and 10 also appear on MCIS Demos I but here with an A sound :-)
* Track 9 is the full version of Feelium. A clip of Feelium can be heard in Pastichio Medley.

Details :

1. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
2. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
3. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
4. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
5. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
6. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
7. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize
8. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize (mono on Studio > ANA-L > CDR, stereo here !)
9. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize (mono on Studio > ANA-L > CDR, stereo here !)
10. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize (mono on Studio > ANA-L > CDR, stereo here !)
11. pitch shift + right channel volume correction + normalize (mono on Studio > ANA-L > CDR, stereo here !)
Quote:
Smashing Pumpkins
Moon Demo Tape

Source: Virgin In-House Promo Cassette > Sony TC-K630ES > R-09(unity gain, 24/48)
Original editing: Audacity (amplified, spliced tape sides together), r8brain (downsample/dither), CDWave (split)
Additional editing: WAV file in Adobe Audition (speed fixing, a few tape blips fixed, volume balancing, etc)
> CDWave (splits, cutting some dead space, etc) > Flac Frontend

01. Honeyspider (alt.)
02. (interlude #1)
03. With You
04. Egg
05. (interlude #2)
06. Rhinoceros (alt.)
07. Bye June
08. Stars Fall In
09. Daughter
10. (interlude #3)
11. Daydream
12. (interlude #4)
13. Psychodelic

Notes:
All credits to bmaromar for the original tape and rhinowing for the transfer and share.

The original release ran a little too fast so my main intention was too fix this, a few extra tweaks ended up being tackled too.
Sounds as good as we're likely to get!

-sinfony
Quote:
SOURCE: Original Demo Tape > CDR > EAC > FLAC

I transferred the original demo tape to CDR a long time ago.
Here is additional info courtesy of spfc.org and the liner notes:


Self-released tape sold at early shows for $5.
J-card has lyrics for "Daydream" and a photocopied picture of the band. The picture is hand-colored with pink magic marker. All spellings of song titles are from the sleeve.
The title "Stars Fallin" is a misprint; the correct title is "Stars Fall In".

Additional info from inside the sleeve:

billy corgan - guitars, lead vocal
james - guitars
darcy - bass
jimmy chamberlin - drums

PRODUCED by Billy Corgan
ENGINEERED by Mark Ignoffo
At Reel Time Studios

Mark also plays organ

DOLBYSOUND
All songs by Corgan except Stars fallin by Corgan/Iha and daughter by Corgan/Wretzky (c) 1989 the smashing pumpkins

eternal thanks to: chris, bob, cuz, vince, tory, nick, ian, and the cabaret metro.
extra eternal thanks to the patient mark ignoffo.
Quote:
1988 - Nothing Ever Changes
Lineage:
NEC: Ana-L>CDR-M>Cool-Edit>CDR-M (Asselin)>CDR-2>SHN

Tracklist:
01. The Vigil
02. Nothing and Everything
03. Holiday
04. Cross
Quote:
Pisces Iscariot + Friends

ANA-M > SBlive > SHN > WAV > editing (steinberg freefilter) > SHN

* the discs you burn will effectively be CDR-0
* each disc is just over 50 mins, they're from opposite sides of a 100min tape
* Mayo is cut (as it is on the tape)
* steinberg freefilter is what Starseed used to do the EQ mirroring.. which is why the PI songs sound nearly identical to the CD versions.
* "it's got a few pops and tape jumps, but overall it's pretty damn sweet" - Starseed
qaos:
Quote:
side a: UAA
side b: UGA
Quote:
DISC 1:
01. Egg
02. Bury Me
03. Bye June
04. Cinamon Girl
05. C'mon
06. Daughter
07. Daughter (extended)
08. Daydream
09. East (alt)
10. Honey Spider
11. Honey Spider (alt)
12. Honey Spider (alt heavy)
13. I am One
14. Love
15. Not Worth Asking
16. Psychodelic
17. Rhinoceros
18. Rhinoceros (alt)
19. Snap

DISC 2:
01. Stars Fall In
02. With You
03. Waiting for you Now
04. Fat Man Blues (abandoned) - Fat Man Blues (tease) - Fat Man Blues (1st half)
05. Fat Man Blues (2nd half) - Bleed (tease)
06. Bleed (2 false starts) - Bleed
07. She (2 false starts) - She (abandoned) - Vanilla (multiple teases)
08. Vanilla
09. My Dahlia (2 teases) - My Dahlia (abandoned) - My Dahlia (abandoned) - (jam tease) - Fat Man Blues (tease)
10. Waiting
11. Sun (abandoned w/teases) - Fat Man Blues (tease) - Stray Cat Blues (multiple teases)
12. Stray Cat Blues
13. I am One Pt.2


Reel Time Sessions Bonus Tracks

BONUS TRACKS: three bonus tracks were tacked to the end of disc 2 for those who
participated in the tree of this material. Time has Come Today is from Last Exit,
11-20-88 Chicago. Jennifer Ever is the same version found already in circulation,
but with only a single guitar track (no drums, etc). Nothing + Everything comes
from an unknown date and venue in 1989.
Quote:
The Smashing Pumpkins
"Sequence IV" 31 May 1995
ANA-? > DAT > CDR-? > WAV [EAC] > WAV [WaveLab, FreeFilter] > SHN
http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=26

Known flaws: "twinkling" / crappy treble
dropout in Muzzle at 1:04
pops in Porcelina

In an attempt to make Sequence IV (a rough mix of MCIS' "Dawn to Dusk")
remotely listenable, I ran each track individually through FreeFilter
against its MCIS counterpart. It sounds a hell of a lot better, but it
didn't fix the clipping or the annoying 'twinkling' that probably
resulted from injudicious noise reduction.

I adjusted the preamp (I assume it was pre?) before applying the filter
in order to prevent clipping from the EQ process. I also adjusted the
volumes afterwards in an attempt to maintain the relative loudness of
each track on the disc. Some of the tracks seem a little bass-y, but
what the hell.

With that out of the way, I think this is an interesting listen. Several
of the tracks are nearly finished, but quite of the few tracks are
noticeably different. In general, some subtle instrumentation on the
final mix is more noticeable, and several of the instrumental takes are
slightly different.

::shrug:: Love it or leave it... hope I didn't screw anything up.

- ivor the engine driver


Total Time: 60:55
1. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
2. Tonite Tonite
3. Jellybelly
4. Zero
5. Here Is No Why
6. Bullet With Butterfly Wings (no vocals)
7. To Forgive
8. Fuck You
9. Love
10. Cupid De Locke
11. Galapagos
12. Muzzle
13. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
14. Lily
15. Take Me Down
but i guess we're not including this version of sequence 4...

 
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does anyone have the originally shared files for "sacred and profane tour soundboard compilation"?

i see the zomb has a version that's sourced from a bootleg. (the bootleg must've been sourced from the original files.)

 
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Even if the circulating version of Sequence IV is awful. We should still share that unless we can't get a better copy. Dave Asselin has a better on DAT, and in the past has actually offered to lend his collection to those who can make high quality copies, so perhaps we should chase this up.

I haven't gone through all of what you posted yet. But something to note is that you appear to have the very first transfer of MCIS Demos III which circulated, and an altered copy of the lower gen transfer which was circulated afterwards. I have the unaltered lower gen. It would be interesting to see how the two transfers compare.

 
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But something to note is that you appear to have the very first transfer of MCIS Demos III which circulated, and an altered copy of the lower gen transfer which was circulated afterwards. I have the unaltered lower gen. It would be interesting to see how the two transfers compare.
here's the SHN set: https://www.sendspace.com/file/n8qjs6

 
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The fingerprints for the SHNs don't appear to be correct. I'm not familiar with shntool I'm afraid, but perhaps they are SHA1 sums instead of MD5?

That said, from the first list, things you have that I don't:
  • 3 Songs o rarities
  • Adore Demos II Tape Sides
  • Moon Demo tape Original

Things that match/can be verified as good in your collection:
  • Ignoffo Tape (distributed with FFPs, and matches my copy)
  • Kitty Kat (distributed with MD5, and matches my copy)
  • Quiet and Other Songs tape sides (matches my FFPs)

Unverifiable, as I don't have a good copy to compare with:
  • MCIS Demos I
  • Moon Demo tape Original (I think we were looking for this)

Undesirable:
  • MCIS Demos III restored
  • Speed corrected Moon tape

Inconsistencies:
  • Machina Acoustic Demos (my FFPs are different)

Machina Acoustic Demos source file:
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billy 4 or 8-track master ---> analogM (billy) ---> CDR master (billy) given to Eric Weinrich (NHL) --> me.
transferred with EAC, configured correctly for offset.

14 tracks.

skip in Gl+tGC is on the master.

billy cuts songs.

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I think it sounds like mine has a better lineage.

Do you have a source file for MCIS Demos I, or the original Moon Demo tape? I don't see it.

 
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I've got a speed corrected version (self-created) of the MCIS Rough Mix sourced from bmaromar's tape that I'll seed on zomb

 
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Do we want to share speed corrected versions or original unaltered editions? I would say it is best to share the original.

 
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i believe the shntool md5 is the same calculation as flac fingerprints. they look at the audio content.
the old md5 checksum files that came with shn sets, are wholefile md5 checksums.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=17951

all shn sets above also come with md5 files. i've checked them all, and they were all fine. (i didn't share those md5 files, as i thought they were of no use.)

 
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Inconsistencies:
  • Machina Acoustic Demos (my FFPs are different)

Machina Acoustic Demos source file:
Code:
billy 4 or 8-track master ---> analogM (billy) ---> CDR master (billy) given to Eric Weinrich (NHL) --> me.
transferred with EAC, configured correctly for offset.

14 tracks.

skip in Gl+tGC is on the master.

billy cuts songs.

W
I think it sounds like mine has a better lineage.
you're right.
i found that source too. it's a set of shn files.

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Do we want to share speed corrected versions or original unaltered editions? I would say it is best to share the original.
Wouldn't it be best to share the optimal versions? I mean the original files that are shared are done so with the uploader/sharer believing that the songs are at the correct pitch/speed after all.

 
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i'm a bit confused about the md5 checksums from trader's little helper (shntool).
so these don't match the flac fingerprints? (none?)

EDIT: i was being silly. i selected the wrong type of checksum in trader's little helper. i was calculating the wholefile md5 checksum. let me re-run all of this. (i'll include that better lineage of machina acoustic demos.)

EDIT 2: also for the flac files i selected the wrong type of checksum. i selected ffp (which just reads the checksum from the flac file's header). now re-ran with "st5" option, which re-calculates the flac fingerprints, looking at the actual audio file content.

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Do you have a source file for MCIS Demos I, or the original Moon Demo tape? I don't see it.
mcis demos I: http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=12
set of files comes with a EAC log file. so i assume it's ripped directly from the bootleg cd. there's no "info" file though.

i also found an incomplete bootleg of this set of demos: http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=63


original moon: "SOURCE: Original Demo Tape > CDR > EAC > FLAC
I transferred the original demo tape to CDR a long time ago.
..."

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ffp of all:
Code:
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Do we want to share speed corrected versions or original unaltered editions? I would say it is best to share the original.
if the original runs fast or slow, why not share the improved version?

 
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mcis demos I: http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=12
set of files comes with a EAC log file. so i assume it's ripped directly from the bootleg cd. there's no "info" file though.

original moon: "SOURCE: Original Demo Tape > CDR > EAC > FLAC

I transferred the original demo tape to CDR a long time ago.

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Hmm. We have to be careful with MCIS Demos I, as there are multiple transfers floating around.

I think that Moon demo tape rip is the one on What. Sounds like it could be pretty good, I haven't got it.

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Wouldn't it be best to share the optimal versions? I mean the original files that are shared are done so with the uploader/sharer believing that the songs are at the correct pitch/speed after all.
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if the original runs fast or slow, why not share the improved version?
A few issues here. How do we know what speed is correct for every tape? The MCIS Demos III restored version that circulates, is speed corrected to match the original transfer, but do we know if the original transfer was the correct speed? Maybe neither are precisely the correct speed.

What if Billy introduced the errors on the actual recording on the original tape, then the error wouldn't be with any subsequent transfers. If we're going for definitive archival copies, we should preserve the issues (tape hiss, pops and clicks, speed issues). Even if Billy recognises these errors and speeds corrects in the official releases, the correction would still be a guess, so we couldn't just sync to that either.

Speed alteration is a lossy process. If we discover a few years down the line it was wrong, then we can't undo it losslessly, we have to use the original unaltered transfer. If we really want to do speed correction, the lossless way to do this is to change the file to use a non-standard sampling rate.

That said, speed corrections are great, and you should share it on ZOMB. But I don't think we should treat them as the definitive versions.

 
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That said, from the first list, things you have that I don't:
  • 3 Songs o rarities
  • Adore Demos II Tape Sides
  • Moon Demo tape Original
3 songs: https://www.sendspace.com/file/l9jfrq
adore demos II: https://www.sendspace.com/file/4b77ua
moon original tape: https://www.sendspace.com/file/6jbcd0

i'm surprised i didn't find any other sources for the moon tape. i thought i had more.

mcis demos I: this probably isn't the "original" set of files. i think this is something i found when i was looking for the demos more recently, and this was all i found, besides that other incomplete source.

 
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  • MCIS Demos III restored
but doesn't the info file claim that it's a serious lineage upgrade? if that's true, then the "restored" version should also be considered, i think.

 
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so, does anyone have:
- mcis demos I
- the sacred and profane tour soundboard compilation
- other rips of the moon demo tape
- better source for sequence IV
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what about the other early tapes? smashing pumpkins demo tape? "gish basement tape"? what else is there? (and are they worth being included?)

 
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but doesn't the info file claim that it's a serious lineage upgrade? if that's true, then the "restored" version should also be considered, i think.
Someone else uploaded the lineage upgrade, that circulates (and I have it) without any "restorations". Somebody took the original and "restored" it, and then circulated that too.

Here is the source file for the original.

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Demos for D'arcy (AKA MCIS Demos III)

These demos were treed earlier this year as part of the Reel Time 
Sessions tree. This rip is a lower generation than that which was treed. It was copied onto DAT from the source tape and then transferred onto CD. I've never heard the original treed version of this so I can't say how much better this sounds (if much at all).

01. Stumbleine
02. Jupiters Lament
03. Lilly (my one and Only)
04. To Forgive
05. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
06. Here is No Why
07. Galapogos
08. Frantic Ab Groove
09. Feelium
10. God
11. Marquis in Spades
A quick comparison of the two suggests that the first higher gen transfer probably also had noise reduction.

 
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Someone else uploaded the lineage upgrade, that circulates (and I have it) without any "restorations". Somebody took the original and "restored" it, and then circulated that too.
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- the sacred and profane tour soundboard compilation
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=100837

Also part of triple tree.

 
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If we really want to do speed correction, the lossless way to do this is to change the file to use a non-standard sampling rate.
That's how I've done it (if I understand you correctly).

 
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That's how I've done it (if I understand you correctly).
To be clear, I mean that the sample rate is set to another frequency, note that this means that the audio is not resampled. Any FLACs you distribute will not be at 44.1Khz or at 48KHz, they will be at a non-standard frequency.

If you do this correctly, only the metadata in the FLAC file will be changed. You should be able to compute the fingerprint for the audio data on the original and the speed corrected versions and they should match perfectly. If the fingerprints don't match, then you haven't done it correctly.

 
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Things that match/can be verified as good in your collection:
  • Ignoffo Tape (distributed with FFPs, and matches my copy)
  • Kitty Kat (distributed with MD5, and matches my copy)
  • Quiet and Other Songs tape sides (matches my FFPs)
comparing more fingerprints that were posted in this thread...

sequence IV: the shn set doesn't match the flac set, except for track 15.
i've also got that flac set, and the info file mentions that track 15 is missing, even though it is actually there. so clearly someone must've completed the flac set with a re-encoded track 15 from the shn set. (the fingerprints prove this.)
we should check if the flac set is the same as the shn set (if, for example, someone has burned the first 14 tracks on a cd-r and then ripped it to flac), or if it's a different source, maybe less processed.

mashed potatoes: matches, except for:
- d1 t01 happy fucking valentines
- d1 t08 bob speaks
- d2 t08 let's meet the band
- d3 t01 and from the west side...
- d3 t15 kill your parents
well, that's annoying. i'll look into this.
someone also added a d1 t15 sookie sookie [steppenwolf] (live 90) (fixed).shn to the shn set. not sure what has been fixed. maybe a glitch or something?

mcis demos II: no match.

machina acoustic demos: no match, except for track 4. weird.

 
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