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Old 11-08-2012, 10:41 PM   #121
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listening to the itunes stream, the first song is fucking lame but the 2nd and 3rd have tasty riffage

 
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:01 PM   #122
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I wouldn't even call Soundgarden a grunge band like I wouldn't call Alice In Chains a grunge band either, honestly.
well just because you call a duck a frog doesn't make it so

 
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:02 PM   #123
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what the fuck is grunge, that's not a real thing, I thought we all realized this when we were 16

none of these bands are stylistically alike, other than heavy abrasive guitar music. They get lumped together cause they were in the same "scene" or whatever
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:15 PM   #124
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:15 PM   #125
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that's some real grunge

 
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:18 PM   #126
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ERMAGHERD GRERNGE

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:37 AM   #127
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Why is it so cool these days for people to pretend that they are above using labels and all that shit?
"Grunge" is a label, just like all labels, that came about for a reason. Just because the label came to be misapplied in some cases does not mean that it has no meaning. That's like saying (in a very reactionary way, of course) that porn doesn't exist and is essentially a "meaningless label" because some dumbass fundamentalist tried to apply the term to classical Greek art. Just like the Supreme Court said, even if there is no strict defninition - "I know it when I see it." Even those who don't want to use the label obviously have a pretty good idea of what we mean when we use the term; hence, why we continue use it to describe a particular type of music.

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:52 AM   #128
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well labels only make sense when they actually group together like things. Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, and AIC do not sound alike and are not stylistically similar. PJ and the Trees are the only really comparable ones. They just got lumped together because they lived in the same city and people wanted to be able to sell them as something

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:30 AM   #129
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4 star review in this month's MOJO.

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:02 AM   #130
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Just because the label came to be misapplied in some cases does not mean that it has no meaning.
pretty much

i can understand people saying SP is not grunge (they aren't) or nirvana isn't grunge (debatable) but to pretend pearl jam, alice in chains and soundgarden don't typify grunge is simply daft.

not sure what swans or robyn has to do with that

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:03 AM   #131
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:30 AM   #132
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Disappointing dynamic range (King Animal) >>>
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:28 PM   #133
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you're a fuck, soundgarden were one of the greatest hard rock bands of all time
Soundgarden was irrelevant then, always took a backseat to Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Still do, and only one of those two bands still exists. The riffs are good, but Cornell's voice sucks donkey balls and the music is just tedious.

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:38 PM   #134
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:29 PM   #135
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i can understand people saying SP is not grunge (they aren't) or nirvana isn't grunge (debatable) but to pretend pearl jam, alice in chains and soundgarden don't typify grunge is simply daft.
since you are agreeing with the guy who is saying that labels mean something even if they are misapplied, maybe it's relevant to point out that to most people, Nirvana typifies grunge.

What similarities do you see between a band like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains exactly other than distorted guitars and omg I feel sad

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Old 11-09-2012, 02:32 PM   #136
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:32 PM   #137
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:33 PM   #138
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:35 PM   #139
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some strange revisionism going on itt

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:12 PM   #140
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Hello brutechinasky it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

soundgarden and aic were obviously grunge
pearl jam not so much musically speaking
bleach is a grunge record, so i guess nirvana were grunge at least for a period

back to lurking

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:21 PM   #141
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since you are agreeing with the guy who is saying that labels mean something even if they are misapplied, maybe it's relevant to point out that to most people, Nirvana typifies grunge.

What similarities do you see between a band like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains exactly other than distorted guitars and omg I feel sad



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sludgy guitars

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:21 PM   #142
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Soundgarden was irrelevant then, always took a backseat to Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Still do, and only one of those two bands still exists. The riffs are good, but Cornell's voice sucks donkey balls and the music is just tedious.
You pretty much just summed up Zeitgeist and Oceania both.

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:25 PM   #143
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the music on Oceania ranges from mediocre to decent to good. It's the vocals that are all fucking horrible.

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:47 PM   #144
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Heard the new album, meh. It's got some okay parts but it doesn't really capture me like a few other Soundgarden albums do. Even Down On The Upside's better than this one even though the band said King Animal would pick up where DOTU left off, which honestly it doesn't.

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:37 PM   #145
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some strange revisionism going on itt
yeah i like how suddenly genres/scenes don't originate in the same community

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:42 PM   #146
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more connected with classic rock than punk, big solos, sludgy guitars, moaning vocals, dark/depressing lyrics, flannel, long songs, generally depressing and overwrought and emotional - which is why i tend to splinter nirvana off from grunge proper because they are very punk and why i consider AiC, PJ and soundgarden to be "true grunge."

i mean you can cite specifics of why they're different bands but nobody's saying they all sound exactly alike, genres are general tags to group bands that have a similar style and usually the originators are all connected because they are all from the same place. i mean fuck it's really hard for me to figure out how someone can sit there and say that somehow genres shouldn't be linked by their place of origin because GUESS WHAT usually they are and this is definitely as true for grunge as it is for minor threat and black flag

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i mean if pearl jam and soundgarden have nothing in common how come temple of the dog is so a-typically "grunge"

 
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:29 PM   #148
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:35 PM   #149
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the music on Oceania ranges from mediocre to decent to good. It's the vocals that are all fucking horrible.
Yeah

 
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:09 AM   #150
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I'd agree that Nirvana definitely falls on the side of being most strongly punk influenced - and yet, somehow, both they and the other aforementioned bands are still distinctly "grunge." Even the Pumpkins have a sound was easily a cousin of grunge rock. But grunge was of course infused with influences on all sides of the rock spectrum, just like any other fairly broad movement of rock. It's no different than in the art world, which has got to be just as notorious for creating broad genre movements. Impressionism was of course typified by Monet and Renoir who were coming from the same scene, but just because a piece of art is more "this" or "that" in its style doesn't mean that you can't easily identify paintings that also clearly look impressionistic no matter what time or place they came from. What defines the style? Monet only? No one outside that first French circle? People such as Degas who didn't really consider himself stylistically aligned even though we now place them clearly within the same artistic and stylistic circle? Of course that's a silly way of parsing things.

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