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Old 05-06-2017, 08:18 PM   #1
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Default non violence doctrine is a tool of the state to ensure obedience

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Default non violence doctrine is a tool of the state to ensure obedience

the ideals mostly come through children's public television, school system & government officials even popular movies generally tend to be about fighting back and punching nazis with some pacifist art house exceptions of course

 
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liberals seem to cloak themselves in this non-violent idealism that is really out of touch with historical reality especially considering that the two founding movements in the history of liberalism were both revolutionary conflicts that necessarily involved killing a bunch of people

i mean i'm just kinda pointing out that marching around and protesting in the park is fuckin pointless surely you realize by now

 
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MLK did non-violence right

 
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but the movement was not exclusively peaceful

 
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again, both of these examples you provide are pop histories i doubt you know much of anything about india beyond exclusively a vague outline of what gandhi did and this was a time with lots of riots, shootings & other political violence & after the british left the hindus & muslims unleashed a brutal race war on each other.

MLK always exists in a vacuum where white militias & KKK members wren't committing unconscionable acts of violence upon the black population for resisting and Malcom X, the Nation of Islam are shamed and discredited by these very government forces that want you to behave "the right way". MLK's work was important and so was gandhis but their non-violence did not awe their oppressors with the dignity of its logic

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like it seems like the modern liberal fantasy about non violent demonstration is that you'll eventually win the argument through your Innate Goodness and my dudes you need bullets right now

 
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i like the EZLN who are heavily armed non-violent political resistors

 
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Old 05-06-2017, 10:27 PM   #10
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man i really actually think that the biggest issue with liberal democrats is they think they're going to win because they're "on the right side of history".what does that mean when there might not be anyone left to write history you know? this is why they burst out into song after the house approves a ghastly, ghoulish bill that is the most nakedly contemptuous act of cruelty to the poor & middle class that this country has perhaps ever seen...they think that because its an act of evil it will not stand and lmao let me tell you its as if everyone forgot the nazis as soon as there weren't any ww2 veterans left

 
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What do you think of Adam Curtis

 
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i see the commies on twitter talking about him so i should probably get around to it

i'd like to mention that labor movements & strikes were often violent because the bosses would send in paramilitaries like the pinkertons, struggle isn't safe and i feel like the vast majority of americans prize their safety above all else which is another reason for emphasizing non-violent demonstration. they aren't threatened by this stuff anymore, they hate it, and i have a feeling before this 4 years is through there's going to be states where its illegal

and once its illegal thats definitely when you go do it but nobody will because you follow the rules no matter what #theresistance

 
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and before anyone says "why don't you do it then trot" well sirs if you could point me in the direction of the nearest socialist paramilitary organization or you can DM me and we can get some plans together

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There are states already passing laws allowing you to run over protesters if they block streets

I think General Strikes need to make a comeback but I bring up Adam Curtis because he puts forward a pretty bleak theory as to why there's no political action from the populace anymore

 
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yeah looks pretty on the money, I'll have to look into it. there is a definite detachment from reality inherent in contemporary liberalism for sure, its a lot of stuff about how things look & there's also that phenomenon that you get pushback from people when you say, for example, "the olympics is a country bankrupting vampire squid that serves no real beneficial purpose" and then liberals will get angry at this saying you're being a downer, or that you're just not looking on the bright side, or you know 'thats true but the job creation' or something or the best one is 'you're not being very mature or reasonable about it'

you create a fake world where the stuff on tv is fine and detached from your life because its on tv which seems to have a transitive property of making it less real and more distant and even though you know the stuff underneath is horribly corrupt you can compartmentalize & dismiss it because that's what mature reasonable people do, they make compromises and accept things as is

 
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