$308,000,000 to kill someone

[Eulogy]

oh jesus fucking christ

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

oh jesus fucking christ

An innocent man...




...is executed...





...and starts a religion that puts good in the world.

[bahnzah]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

How many murders have you known? Seriously, no trolling here. I know you want to latch onto what the media shoves down your throat, but I suggest A) taking some courses in criminology to under stand the socio-economic conditions that create crime in the first place, as well as the true nature of homicide convictions in the US, and B) do the legwork and learn what these people are actually like.

let me see if i'm understanding you correctly:

potentially innocent people who are convicted of first degree homicide should be put to death because people who actually commit this crime are bad people.

i don't need to take a course in criminology to know that in the past people on death row, pre- and post-mortem, have been exonerated for their crimes. oh look here's a list that the good people of wikipedia have culled for us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...th_row_inmates

would it have been morally or ethically just to kill these before mitigating evidence arose? is what what jesus would have wanted?

[bahnzah]

del

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by bahnzah

let me see if i'm understanding you correctly:

potentially innocent people who are convicted of first degree homicide should be put to death because people who actually commit this crime are bad people.

Nope, that's not what I said at all. Good job!

Originally Posted by bahnzah

i don't need to take a course in criminology...

I would recommend forming an educated opinion rather than just spurting meaningless drivel on the internet without factual basis. But hey, that's just me. Oh wait! You quoted wikipedia!?!?

Originally Posted by bahnzah

oh look here's a list that the good people of wikipedia have culled for us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...th_row_inmates

That's nice now can you quote me the percentage of exonerated death row inmates as compared to the total executions? You are only giving a piece of the puzzle.

Originally Posted by bahnzah

would it have been morally or ethically just to kill these before mitigating evidence arose?

You gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.

Originally Posted by bahnzah

is what what jesus would have wanted?

I'm not a Christian so why would I even give a shit?

[bahnzah]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

You gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.

oh i see now. you're either trolling or completely repulsive.

nothing to see here folks.

[soniclovenoize]

Well, OK, so your argument is "No Death Penalty Because Any One of Them Could Have been Erroneously Convicted", right?

By that logic, then ALL convicted inmates should be set free, no? Because you're calling into question the judicial system itself, not the morality of the death penalty. If anything your argument here is all out of whack, and you need to straighten yourself out, son!

[bahnzah]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Well, OK, so your argument is "No Death Penalty Because Any One of Them Could Have been Erroneously Convicted", right?

By that logic, blah blah blah blah blah blah.

you said "you have to break some eggs to make an omelet". help me understand the logical path of reason that led you to compare the execution wrongfully convicted death row inmates to the breaking of unfertilized chicken eggs.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by bahnzah

you said "you have to break some eggs to make an omelet". help me understand the logical path of reason that led you to compare the execution wrongfully convicted death row inmates to the breaking of unfertilized chicken eggs.

I don't think I need to because according to this post:

Originally Posted by bahnzah

oh i see now. you're either trolling or completely repulsive.

nothing to see here folks.

...you already know exactly what I mean.

Are you going to answer my question from my previous post or not?

[redbreegull]

Even if our legal system was perfect, the death penalty would still be wrong. Killing without absolute need is wrong. Even John Locke thought this. What a violent culture we live in.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Killing without absolute need is wrong. Even John Locke thought this. What a violent culture we live in.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

[AveryLoren]

I cannot find anyway to rationalize that excessively large amount of money being needed, You're going to need security regardless and to even be there in the first place you had to go through the court system what else is the money spent on?

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

please explain how murdering criminals constitutes "the needs of the many?"

The point of the thread is that it is an unbelievable waste of money (most of that money is in appeals costs I believe, averyloren). If you don't murder criminals, it costs taxpayers much less money. Secondly, it would make society healthier to stop punishing people like we're in the middle ages.

John Locke's position was that the force used against a criminal may not exceed the exact amount of force needed to prevent that person from repeating the crime. Locking someone up is just as effective as murdering them in this respect, and it's less morally repugnant. It also does not infringe on the right to life which we so proudly display in our Declaration of Independence. Moreover, a death sentence is irreversible. A prison sentence can always be commuted.

So basically the death penalty is unnecessary, does not prevent crime, is a huge waste of resources and money, is unjust to convicts because of the flaws of our legal system... so why do Americans support it so much?

Culture of violence and revenge? How Christian.

[Trotskilicious]

I know you want to latch onto what the media shoves down your throat

how old do you think we are cockring

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Well, OK, so your argument is "No Death Penalty Because Any One of Them Could Have been Erroneously Convicted", right?

How about no death penalty because it's repulsive, barbaric, and ultimately hypocritical.

And it creates religions.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

so why do Americans support it so much?

because of the anti death penalty media obv.

[Trotskilicious]

lets all collectively concentrate on getting sociclovenoise put on death row erroneously

[hnibos]

But most of us haven't taken a class in criminology.

[Eulogy]

well if i needed confirmation that soniclovenoize was a dumbass i guess i have it now

and of course he has children

wonderful

[Eulogy]

but maybe i just need to take a criminology class

ugh.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Well, OK, so your argument is "No Death Penalty Because Any One of Them Could Have been Erroneously Convicted", right?

By that logic, then ALL convicted inmates should be set free, no? Because you're calling into question the judicial system itself, not the morality of the death penalty. If anything your argument here is all out of whack, and you need to straighten yourself out, son!

i mean i can't even begin to deconstruct the idiocy behind this post.

[starlightvideoproductions]

So person A goes out, kills someone. Gets death penalty. Person B has permission and kills person A. In both cases, someone dies. What makes person A so much worse than person B? Permissions or not, you're taking a life. Thats why the death penalty is fucked up and weird.

[hnibos]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

well if i needed confirmation that soniclovenoize was a dumbass i guess i have it now

and of course he has children

wonderful

Yeah, it's a shame, his kids deserve a better dad.

[Trotskilicious]

Eulogy you're such a judgemental piece of shit.

[hnibos]

I think his judgement is alright right now.

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno what if the guy's a great dad he's just got some shitty opinions and his girls grow up and become anti-death penalty advocates

[exactlythesame]

what is life in prison except an extended death penalty

[Eric Blair]

lol

[Eric Blair]

can we just ban soniclovenoize for stupidity and then lock this thread?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i dunno what if the guy's a great dad he's just got some shitty opinions and his girls grow up and become anti-death penalty advocates

the kids thing was a low blow. i'm sure he's a fine dad.

now let's get back to how dumb he's being in this thread.

...but the weird passive-aggressive nature of his posts make it seem like he's not all that confident in what he's saying.